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[ken_sheets]

Hello
I have created a second site with a new domain name (www.tiffany-lamps-etc.com) but the content is roughly the same as my primary site (www.tiffanyrenovators.com)
I have free submitted the secondary site 1.5 months ago to the ODP and the yahoo series of SE's and have not seen hide nor hair of it. The question is what are anyones experience in the time frames as of late for the free sub mits and might there be a problem with creating a new site with roughly the same content and just giving it a new domain name?
Thanks in advance for any help.
ken

[cbp]

ODP/DMOZ will certainly not list you.

Submitting to search engines is a total waste of time. Unless you have links to your new site, forget about getting listed in search engines.

Why would you want two sites for? - put all the energy into one.

CBP

[Dave Hawley]

Agree, 2 sites the same could possibly get you banned from Google.

[ken_sheets]

Thank you for your input
The 2 sites are not visually or in text the same, to look at them they do appear to be of different make. The reason for 2 sites in my opinion was perhaps by creating 2 sites with slightly different techniques that I would get a little different coverage with the second site that I can not necessarily cover with the primary. Also by creating another domain name with my major search term in it My coverage should be a little better. also if submitting your site to the SE's,is a waste of time, how do you get listed in the first place?
Any thoughts?
Thank You
Ken

[Mel]

The visual apprearance of the site is of no consequence when google determines if a site is a duplicate. It is mostly based on the page and header content. I would suggest that if 60% of the content is different you should no have any duplicate page problems.

[cbp]

f submitting your site to the SE's,is a waste of time, how do you get listed in the first place?

We have had lots of threads on this. Google, Yahoo et al are crawler based search engines - they crawl the web with there spiders/bots to find pages - so the only way to get listed is to have links to your site that the spider/bot can follow.

(BTW - the link at the bottom of one of your sites to the other does not work - it has a typo in it).

Google say in guidelines:

Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

Which is exactly what you are doing - Google is gettibg smarter at detecting this (the patent they go assigned late last year on finding "near duplicates").

If you want both sites to rank well, you need links to both of them --- that effort is better spent on one site.

CBP