Hi everyone,

I have been submitting my one site Medical Scrubs, Nursing Uniforms, Lab Coats, Accessories from MedicalScrubsRus to dmoz for over 6 months now and still not getting a listing. My other site Varicose Veins Treatment Center - Compression Stockings was listed in less than 2 months. Both were submitted in the same manner.

Anyone have a sugestion, trick, technique that might help me get listed? I resubmit every month.

Thanks,

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JBW
www.thelaserveincenter.com , www.medicalscrubsrus.com

A really dumb thing to do and against the guidelines! Every time you have resubmitted, you just overwrite the previous submission with the new date...you just move yourself to the bottom of the list each month! There is never a need to resubmit.

Well!!! Not the first really dumb thing I have done and probably not the last. I did get that advice from a "so called" SEO expert.

Thanks Martty, I will leave it alone.

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JBW
www.thelaserveincenter.com , www.medicalscrubsrus.com

I have a couple of sites listed in dmoz, but it seems to be a closed door these days. Anytime I launch a new site, I still submit to dmoz because naturally it can't hurt.

Check out the bottom of the category and see if there is even an editor there, if not try applying to become an editor, make yourself seem economically uninterested in the category.....

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>2000 new sites a week are added. Thats not a closed door; that makes it the fastest growing directory on the www. The problem is that >2000 good sites are created every week!Do NOT do that. There is nothing wrong with being an editor and having a site in a category. Just declare your interest in the application and when an editor, do everything "above board".

I agree, just let them know and you won't have a problem...

There is nothing wrong with submitting once every 3-4 months ... unless things have changed since I was an editor it does not overwrite your earlier submission and move you down the list ... nor does it really annoy most of the editors I knew to see a couple of submissions in the list of a category that is rare edited ... but if you have submitted it that many times it might be a bit much ...

Have you tried sending a very polite note to the editor? That does sometimes help ... though it may also fall on deaf ears ...

And applying to edit the most relevant category is an excellent idea ... a client of mine just got accepted and voila, his site is now added!

Cheers, MJ

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M.-J. Taylor
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If its submittd to the same category it overwrites the previous submission!! Where are you getting your information from? This was implemented by DMOZ years ago to deal with all the repeated resubmissions.

Editors can sort the pool of suggested site a number of ways - the default and most common one is by date of submission. A resubmitted site will be moved to the bottom if the editor sorts by date (most do).

There is NOTHING to be gained from resubmitting; all it does is wastes the submitters time.

Well, I was an editor *years* ago - more than 5 - so perhaps that was changed since I left ...

Well, I am not sure how anyone would know what most do. In any case, I always worked from the oldest submission up.

I wouldn't agree. It is possible that an earlier submission was rejected and deleted. Perhaps the quality was low or the editor just didn't like the site. So, submitting again does make sense, as you don't know whether it's still in the queue or not ...

AFAIK, MJ

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M.-J. Taylor
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Are you certain of this martty? That's not the way it currently seems to work.

When I took over my category recently there was quite a long queue to work with - many months. Site suggestions were all logged by date received and their source.

There were three or even four instances of some sites, and each submittal was at its proper place in the queue by date. New suggestions did not overwrite the old, nor were they pushed to the bottom of the queue.

Perhaps your experience has been different in another area of the ODP.

Best regards!

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Raise it in the internal forums at DMOZ, as that is how the system is supposed to work. It was set up that way as a method to deal with the serial submitter. I do know that it does not work if the exact URL is not resubmitted (ie with/without www;deep link) .... if it didn't work that way, imagine how big the pool of repeated listings there will be in the submission pool.

martty, Each of us had a part of the truth.

Re-suggesting an identical URL that has not been listed, moved or deleted by an editor does overwrite the original site suggestion, and will show the date of the last submission. Re-suggesting is clearly counterproductive as the date will remain relatively recent and not raise an editor's concern. The more obsessive a webmaster is about re-suggesting his site, the less likely it is to hit the top of an editor's reverse-calendar queue.

URLs that have been listed, moved or deleted by an editor will not overwrite prior suggestions - it is retained like an update request. In this case site suggestions will stack up in the editor's queue where they will require action. Of course action has already been taken (site listed, moved or deleted) and this instance is also counterproductive for re-suggestors because there is little for an editor to do but delete the re-suggestion.

Depending upon the editor, the dmoz disposition of the URL, and the number of times and frequency with which it is re-suggested it might become an annoyance and should be avoided.

What to do? Well in the category I'm responsible for a polite note still gets a response. There is no dmoz obligation to do so, and, much advice that it is a waste of an editor's time at best.

Full Disclosure - I'm a very junior editor, and, these are only my understandings of the ODP process. They are meant to be accurate and helpful, but not in any way authoritative.

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I'm getting the same problem. My site has been waiting for a long time and, till now, it remains out of their lists and I got no response at all.

I tried for years to get listed, eventually realizing that re-submitting kept 'pushing my suggestion to the bottom of the list,' for want of a better saying.

I am now listed. Took about four weeks to appear. Instead of going for a major business category I submitted to my location eg: country>state>city>suburb.

Not ideal but I am now hoping to be moved to a more relevant category. I have asked for such an update once (a month ago) and nothing has changed although I did see an editor had swung by. I'll wait a while longer and ask again.

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What will that achieve. If its already been declined, asking again will not change it.

If you are listed in the regional category, then you are entitled to also be listed in the topical category (assuming that the site meets the guidelines); as I assume you have already submitted to the topical category, submitting again will not change anything.

Are you saying there would have been an 'instant' update immediately following the editor's visit (after my request to move to another category)?

Entitled? Is there any supporting evidence for this?

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No. As when an editor logs in, updates requests are more prominent and are usually dealt with first by most editors. Assume that your requests have been declined. If you keep submitting update requests, you are turning into a pest as editors with just have to keep deleting them.Entitled was probably the wrong word. If a website meets the guidelines then assume it will eventually get listed in a topical category (even if its submitted or not); if the business has a physical address on the website, then assume that it will eventually get listed in a regional category (even if its submitted or not).

There is NEVER a need to submit a site more than once (or twice if its to a regional and topical category) and there is NEVER a need to submit an update request more than once (unless something else changes). Any more is a waste of your effort; potentially puts you at a disadvantage; and makes you into a pest.

submit it once then wait til it get listed! don't submit it again if you already did.

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Don't over do it. Also, DMOZ is not that important anymore. Google is not basing page rankings on directory linking. There are 199 other aspect to SEO that are much more important. Submit once to Dmoz then decease submitting. They update evey once in a while. You'll eventually be added just as long as you dont over submit yourself.

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yah! may I know what are those 199 aspects?

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I declared my interest in the category I applied to be an editor for, which must certainly not have an editor, or our site would have been listed years ago. I was completely up front about my interest and knowledge in the category, as well as the industry. I would have been totally fair to our competitors; I just wanted to get our site in once and for all. I truly feel the category is being done a huge injustice, as I haven't seen new sites listed there in a VERY long time. However, I was denied...and given the canned e-mail response, which states the following as one POTENTIAL reason I was denied. I am sharing it because I feel it's certainly the reason I was denied.

"Self-Promotion. Application which leads us to believe that the candidate is interested primarily in promoting his/her own sites or those with which the applicant is affiliated. The ODP is not a marketing tool, and should not be used to circumvent the site submission process. If this is an applicant's motivation for joining, then we ask him/her not to apply. Editors found to be inappropriately promoting their own site will be promptly removed."

So, basically, I was upfront with my interest and affiliations, yet have been denied due to "self-promotion". It is clearly the only reason in the reply I received that could possibly apply to me. I couldn't possibly have met any of the other denial criteria.

Looks like they made the right decision.

All I am saying is that stating that I had an interest in the category was my mistake.

Martty, if your statement were true (taking a few words from my post as my whole intent), then I could have (and would have) LIED about my affiliation with any company in the category, used a generic e-mail address, etc. and I guarantee you I would have been accepted.

The only person I have ever known to be a DMOZ editor joined SOLELY to get the company's site (she did the web design and SEO), I used to work for listed. She was accepted within a week, and added the site accordingly. To my knowledge, she never added another site to the category.

That's the underhanded dealings that go on sometimes. People lie and get in. I was being up front and honest about my purpose, which included MORE than just getting our site listed. As I said, the category seems to be completely neglected, and unedited for a very long time now. I know this because I have seen at least 5 to 10 competitors arise online in the last few years; all have great, informative web sites, and none are listed in DMOZ.

So, for you to assume that my only purpose was having my own web site listed is wrong. It is, however, what prompted me to try becoming an editor.

So, whatever.

same problem . i've submitt to dmoz almost 3 week ago and not listing until now

This is good advice.

At the moment, dmoz seam like failure. I'd usually just submit once/half a year and move on.


If its true the re-submissions are getting you tagged as spam, (which i really don't think). Then dmoz have a serious flaw in their system, any programmer would be able to tell you that. Resubmissions should obviously just be ignored, also they could potentially come from anywhere, a competitor could try to get your site banned from multiple resubmissions.

Obviously above is unlikely to be the case, dmoz are bound to have some system in place to deal with re-submissions. The latest i heard, was that submitting one time each 3th months wouldn't get your site tagged as spam, but that's still not specific enough, which again reflect how useless their scripts must be.


But having that said, there are better places to submit your pages then dmoz, such as forums, blogs, and social bookmarking sites.

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DMOZ adds 2000 new sites a week, making it the fastest growing and largest directory on the web. No other directory come remotely close to that growth rate. How is this awesome achievement a failure?They aren'tYes it doesI don't think you heard that. I think you made it up. Please provide the source for that as it certainly not true.
Which have all become close to useless for backlinks as they carry such little value

Those links would mean a lot more then a single link from dmoz, as well as provide you with a steady flow of traffic, while dmoz maybe would account for no more then a few clicks. Directories, forums, blogs, social sites, or even guestbooks, are still a highly valuable source of dofollow, backlinks. While some of them even increase the awareness of your site existence.


Of cause a link in dmoz would likely be picked up by the google directory, as well as several other sites. But nothing you wouldn't be able to make up for, within a few days.

Regarding Dmoz, simply submit your sites and move on. Some categories are better maintained then others, and getting included could potentially take years.

The focus of Dmoz has also been that other websites would be able to use the data, and include relevant links easily, while most sites wouldn't include data from dmoz, this can be useful for few sites only.

I don't have the exact numbers, but I'm sure that the real number would be much higher for dmoz, as well as any other successful directory.

If you base how successful a directory is on how many links they add, then you have to consider it relatively, dmoz claim to have over 80,000 editors, while other directories only have from one to a few active editors, those are however generally more successful, because they actually add new sites sooner or later, thats where some dmoz editors seam to prefer to keep a few comprehensive links, and rule out the listing of smaller sites, or even throw them in irrelevant categories.


Both forums, blogs and social sites are some of the bast places to get traffic, next to advertising and search engines, dmoz is unlikely to beat those anytime soon, both in forms of dofollow links, and traffic.

The purpose of dmoz as is, seams largely useless. Anyone using it above an "automated" search engine, due to "not getting useful results", is more likely to hit the keys on their keyboard in the wrong order, then its likely to be an issue with the search engine.

Search is also only automated to the point the programmer of the algorithm allows, and the algorithms used are still getting improved. As such, its up to the programmer to make sure the most relevant links are returned.