Title tag?

A. Smith · #1 (**permalink**) 05-26-2006, 12:42 AM

I know that the alt text in img tags get picked up by search engines. Is this also true of the <a title text? Like, would a Search Engine pick up the text "Membership Information and Requirements" below?

Easy and inexpensive web hosting is also available:[/b] </FONT>
<A title="Membership Information and Requirements" href="http://www.carrscorner.com/membership.php">
Member Information</FONT></A>

TIA!

Webnauts · #2 (**permalink**) 05-26-2006, 02:29 AM

Yes, they do. :)

A. Smith · #3 (**permalink**) 05-26-2006, 02:32 AM

Great!!! Thank you!

SeoSem · #4 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 02:25 PM

2-3 years ago, I tested the title tag text.

It was at the time mr. big G did spider everything on daily basis.
I did not see any difference for either page placement in serps nor
the benefits other than the info you get when mouse over the link.

This might be changed to day but, I do not think it will do much for
your page rank. Just tell your visitors what is behind the link.

**incrediblehelp** · #5 (**permalink**) 06-01-2006, 12:48 AM

SEOSEM,

I am not sure what you are trying to say there. Are you saying title tags don't make a difference? If you are saying this it is untrue.

Webnauts · #6 (**permalink**) 06-01-2006, 12:56 AM

SEOSEM did I get that right? I hope not. :)

SeoSem · #7 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 06:18 AM

Incrediblehelp

2-3 years ago, do you remember when G spider every site almost daily? It
last only for some 2-3 weeks.

At this time I had few pages on top 10-30 in Google for highly competitive
"high end" KW's. I both tested the pages with and without the title tag. The title
tag didn't make any difference, those pages didn't move up or down in serps.

As I said, I don't know if it has any meaning to day or not but, I still use
the title tag to inform my visitor what is behind the link.

As you said it is untrue, can you tell me how it does matter?

**incrediblehelp** · #8 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

2-3 years ago, do you remember when G spider every site almost daily? It last only for some 2-3 weeks.

Many websites I deal with get spidered daily still and if not daily then almost always every 2 days.

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

As you said it is untrue, can you tell me how it does matter?

Well first off it is obvious that backlinks are the most important ingredient in Google, but the title tag is very high up there when computing the weight fro ranking on Google, Yahoo and MSN. Simple looking at the results will tell you this.

Remember their are hundreds of variables when ranking and the more you adhere to the better you will rank and the title tag is definitely one of them.

SeoSem · #9 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Many websites I deal with get spidered daily still and if not daily then almost always every 2 days.

What I was saying is, ones, Google found the need to spider sites on is own,
not from any link on other sites. Just come and spider the site, if the
spider spotted any change, it was updated the next day or so.

This webmaster dream last only for 2-3 weeks or so, and has nothing to do
with links pointing to your site.

I test lot of things and I am telling you, title tag stuffed with KW's or
title tag with normal description or no title tag at all. Did not change
anything in serps at this time.

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

As you said it is untrue, can you tell me how it does matter?

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Well first off it is obvious that backlinks are the most important ingredient in Google, but the title tag is very high up there when computing the weight fro ranking on Google, Yahoo and MSN. Simple looking at the results will tell you this.

Have you tested this with and without the title tag?

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Remember their are hundreds of variables when ranking and the more you adhere to the better you will rank and the title tag is definitely one of them.

As I said, I do not know if this is still true to day, therefore I can't
tell if it does matter or not. I use the title tag without knowing the fact
if it will help in any other way than telling my visitors what to expect.

Jabber_uk · #10 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 06:06 PM

It sounds like we are talking about both the <TITLE></TITLE> tag found in the <HEAD> and also the 'title' which displays some text a little like the ALT tag does for images like: What a great page!

Which?

**incrediblehelp** · #11 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 06:56 PM

I am talking about the one in the head and it is fact that it helps describe your page and has an effect on SEO.

SeoSem · #12 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by A. Smith

I know that the alt text in img tags get picked up by search engines. Is this also true of the <a title text? Like, would a Search Engine pick up the text "Membership Information and Requirements" below?

Easy and inexpensive web hosting is also available:[/b] </FONT>
<A title="Membership Information and Requirements" href="http://www.carrscorner.com/membership.php">
Member Information</FONT></A>
TIA!

I usually try to stay with the first post subject! If not, I will make it
clear if I am talking blue color while others talk red!

Webnauts · #13 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 02:07 AM

From my experience, title tag are definitely one of the big three on-page factors as far as the algorithmic weight given to them; they are equally as important as your visible text copy and the links pointing to your pages.

Jabber_uk · #14 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 05:06 AM

I think we can all agree that the TITLE tag in the HEAD is VERY relevant - but the title attribute to the A tag? What about that? I think that is what A. Smith is referring too as SeoSem pointed out.

Webnauts · #15 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 06:00 AM

There is an interesting experiment about the title attribute, posted at Search Engine Watch forums http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=3652

Have a look there and come back to discussing this issue further. :)

Side note: I believe that the title attribute is worthy, - since it is beneficial for usability best practice. That can make your SEO potential more appealing. Here some light reading about Usability and SEO: http://www.sitepronews.com/archives/.../dec/7prt.html

SeoSem · #16 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 10:34 AM

I was answering the first poster about the LINK TITLE TAG. As he didn't
mention the HEAD title tag, I thought I didn't need to refer to which tag I
had in mind (HEAD) :)

HEAD title tag and link title tag is a two completely different things.
Just as BMW and Benz!

Title tag used in link tag is used to tell you what to expect, when you
mouse over the link. I learned this fact years ago. So far, I have not seen
if it make any difference.

Go and search for anything you might think of. The BLUE TITLE in serps is
the same as the title written in the HEAD title tag on that page.

As you might know, when you do a search for stuff, the description you write in
the description HEAD tag is usually not the same as displayed in serps.
Google will pick up text from your page that fits best to your search words.

Have you ever seen different TITLE text displayed on Google pages and the
one found in the page HEAD title tag?

If nothing is written in HEAD title tag, all you will see is a ____________
empty line. So far, I have not seen any SE that will pick up text from the
page, to put in the HEAD title tag if it is missing.

Also, have you ever seen where Google fill in the HEAD title tag if there is
only 40%, 55% or 99% of the space used? Google will fill up the space for
the description tag but, not the HEAD TITLE TAG.

It is the first text the spiders will read when they enter the page and it
is the first thing you will see about the website, when you search for it's content.

Now, I think everyone should agree about the importance of HEAD TITLE TAG?

Webnauts · #17 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

I was answering the first poster about the LINK TITLE TAG. As he didn't
mention the HEAD title tag, I thought I didn't need to refer to which tag I
had in mind (HEAD) :)

I think we should explicit something here. The title included in a link is an attribute, and not a tag. More: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_title.asp

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

HEAD title tag and link title tag is a two completely different things.
Just as BMW and Benz!

Benz? Do you mean Mercedes? LOL

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Originally Posted by SeoSem

Now, I think everyone should agree about the importance of HEAD TITLE TAG?

I thought we all were aware about the importance of the title tag (element).

Or did I miss something again?

More further reading: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.2

SeoSem · #18 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

I think we should explicit something here. The title included in a link is an attribute, and not a tag. More: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_title.asp

Yes you are right, it's sunday and to many "biere" last night!

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

Benz? Do you mean Mercedes? LOL

I knew you would correct me as everyone knows this car manufactor by theirs
first name but, the last name is still Benz.... :)

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

I thought we all were aware about the importance of the title tag (element).

Or did I miss something again?

Yes, we agreed but, haven't you seen the serps where the title is used in very wrong
way or almost all text is missing? I guess someone doesn't agree! LOL

Webnauts · #19 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 11:52 PM

To many biers? In that case, I wouldn't trust you to hire you for my SEM. LOL

OFF TOPIC: Is your quote in your signature true? "Did you know, 86% of marketing directors would prefer to work with Certified Professional Search Engine Marketers?"

I ask while WebCEO have offered me for free their course "Certified Professional Search Engine Marketer".
Is it worth to complete it? :)

What makes your certification better than theirs?

SeoSem · #20 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

To many biers? In that case, I wouldn't trust you to hire you for my SEM. LOL

I do not work for others in my own time, and weekends, It's my time too! LOL

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

OFF TOPIC: Is your quote in your signature true? "Did you know, 86% of marketing directors would prefer to work with Certified Professional Search Engine Marketers?"

Let me ask you this. Assume you are a manager in your firm, your job is to make things happen, and you own a luxury car like this one or this one All you know about these cars is how to open the door and drive the car! On your way to work your luxury car break down. You have three chooses, try to fix it your self, stop someone and ask if they could fix it or have your car taken to Certified garage?

Which option will you choose? My guess is you would pick up the phone and call the garage.

I cannot tell if the percent is right but, every job ad I see, require some kind of degree, BA, BS, MBA, or Master is required along with years of experience. Why should they hire someone with all that knowledge and then, go to an open market and purchase services from some shop where no one has confirmations on their knowledge? I guess the percent should be 150%!! LOL

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

I ask while WebCEO have offered me for free their course "Certified Professional Search Engine Marketer".
Is it worth to complete it? :)

Depends on things. I don't know how much you know about SEO/SEM or marketing in general. Do you SEO/SEM for yourself or you dream of open your own shop and offer your SEO/SEM service on the market? The German market is huge (about 2/3 of US SEO/SEM market) and not so many I know of in Germany that offer SEO/SEM! But, I do not speak German so how would I know!

I have been online from early 2001. My whole live, I have been around all kind of marketing. I do not agree to every SEO/SEM technique WebSEO teach but, every SEO/SEM-ers or qualified marketer out there is different and what works for one does not mean it will work for others!

What I like about WebSEO is it has 12 tools in one control panel. There are other tools and services out there but, only one other course I know of, Robin Nobles and John Alexander that offer confirmation such as Certified SEM and/or a Diploma in the use of their SEO/SEM tools. But, you have to show up in some workshop for their course!

I cannot see any confirmation offered for SEO/SEM on these sites and I wonder why? Not like it is cheep to join and what for? Anyone, for which reason should I join any of them?
Web Analytics Association http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org
USA SEM Association http://www.sma-na.org/
EU SEM Association http://www.sma-eu.org/
SEMPO http://www.sempo.org

If you can get it free, it is worth it as long as you will use it.

My ex father in law and grandfather of my children is a Doctor (one of the best) he spends about 4-8 weeks a year on new education and training.

If you want others to take you seriously, then it is something for you (everyone) to think about!

Will you also get the tools for free?

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

What makes your certification better than theirs?

Mine is from WebSEO and yes, I use other tools too!