Do you still consider MSN?

[Big Mountain]

I'm just wondering if your still considering MSN in you site optimization and marketing?
In my case I still do besides I still have good number of visitors from MSN.
What are your thoughts about this?

[bobitza]

It seems that my "SEO style" is MSN style as I already have some good positions in SERPs, so yeah, I'm considering MSN. However, the quality of traffic is not that good. Maybe the keywords aren't that relevant, but still ... being #2 for 'hosting articles' I assumed that I get at least 1 visitors from MSN.

Well, I'm here ... waiting.

[Toni Anicic]

msn is really not used much in my country... I don't remember having more then 5 visits from it total ever in websites made in Croatian.

[erikko]

actually im a bit challenged with MSN but sometimes im pissed off with the results of my keywords in MSN

[ushuiah]

Sometimes I consider MSN but I prefer the result of Google.

[cw1865]

My experience has been that you can typically get ranked more quickly with msn.

[jboeckman]

MSN for sure gives less traffic but I have found the traffic you do get tends to have a higher conversion rate. I think you should still consider MSN but I wouldn't focus too much time on MSN rankings because of the lower amount of traffic.

[ushuiah]

Originally Posted by cw1865

My experience has been that you can typically get ranked more quickly with msn.

Not all the time. In my experience, its the google who quickly ranked a site.

[cw1865]

I'd raather be you than me then! But MSN still gets a fair share of traffic, it shouldn't be your primary focus, but it should still be considered.

[Webnauts]

My second most organic search traffic comes from MSN. So it is important for me.

[activeco]

If it doesn't hurt Google side, yes of course.
Visitor is a visitor, regardless of where he voluntarily comes from.

[anandnadaar]

I do not consider MSN.. I rank #4 in MSN for the most dominated keyword "HERBAL" .. but still hardly any traffic or no traffic at all. Where as in Google I rank for many keywords that does not have much of importance.. but I still get traffic for those keywords..

Infact after Live.com it is gone worst then ever. there is no competition between MSN and Google if it comes to search results and indexing for that matter.

[tamecrow]

In the UK, where the general internet psyche is still one small step behind the US, many users still have MSN set as their default homepage in Internet Explorer. However, Yahoo's still a favourite for many established internet users - us Brits are afraid of change!

[avoir des goûts simples]

Yes, msn is on my top 3 favorite Search engine.

[Kloans]

I don't consider MSN in my optimization. I feel I get ranked highly on MSN primarily on my home page. I don't However go out of my way because so few people search for my keywords on MSN.

[rudy102]

Yes, we do consider MSN.

[John Kitchling]

MSN must be considered because it still produces significant traffic. To the exclusion of google/yahoo? absolutely not.

[2fk]

Yes I consider MSN as for quality and conversion..though it's very challenging to get rank on MSN..

[mrsjordanjr]

I rely a little less on search engines these days and just keep writing and using tags accordingly. If I happen to rank well for certain words, great. If not, that's OK too.

[sheena]

Yes I still consider MSN as for conversion and for keyword ranking as well

[locking]

i often make searches in msn but prefer google

[flhu]

I don't know why one would have to "consider MSN" when optimizing. MSN seems to be the easiest of graders; happy with whatever basic seo trick you pull. Do what you can. It will work out.

I didn't consider MSN at all when doing a site launched last month, but almost all of the 2000+ products and manufacturers on it come up between #1-4. Too bad not more people use it, but we are starting to see some noticeable traffic from it.

[radarseo]

Yes, I still consider MSN, traffic from MSN have a better ROI compared to Yahoo and Google traffic.. check this article.

Efficient Frontier Insights: Search Syndication and Traffic Quality
Our Search Engine Performance Report: Q1 2008 reported that MSN had the highest ROI among the three major search engines. Advertisers know that MSN has the highest quality traffic, but many people do not understand the concept of traffic quality when it comes to search.

[rypher21]

yes, i still consider msn...traffic and backlinks from this SE is still important...

[NetMassimo]

Yes, I consider it. It doesn't bring much traffic to my sites but a few daily visitors are better than nothing and it even brings some visitors to my site dedicate do Linux.

[jabo]

Though they are going to close it soon, I still participate sometimes in MSN groups. its not that much traffic but I only do it in my free time.

[kennethquinn]

Well at some extent MSN can be helpful
but not that much, why dont you consider
using the proper socaial bookmarking sites
which cah give alot of traffic to your site
and aswel as help you in marketing your
site aswel. I use twitter whih gives me a lot
of help.. So good Luck

[ilitron]

A lot of SEO people turned off of MSN and concentrate on Google. I think they're stupid cos there is a lot of mileage in MSN and plenty of traffic.

best

ili

[jabo]

Originally Posted by ilitron

A lot of SEO people turned off of MSN and concentrate on Google. I think they're stupid cos there is a lot of mileage in MSN and plenty of traffic.

best

ili

focusing on getting more out of something that ensure bigger hits, how is that stupid?

[flhu]

I'm still at a loss as to how one "considers msn" in a way that is different from just normal SEO stuff. Are we talking about LiveSiteAuthority? ...because, yeah, that's a big waste of time.

[NetMassimo]

I consider MSN in the sense that I added my sites to my MS Webmaster Tools account so I can have a better idea of the way it sees them and do a better overall SEO job considering those data as well as what I see with Google Webmaster Tools.

[2fk]

Originally Posted by jboeckman

MSN for sure gives less traffic but I have found the traffic you do get tends to have a higher conversion rate. I think you should still consider MSN but I wouldn't focus too much time on MSN rankings because of the lower amount of traffic.

You hi it..mostly it's quite to rank you keywords on MSN because they rank quality sites..less traffic but compare to other SE's this traffic has higher percentage of conversation..MSN do focus mainly business so that's why it has a higher conversation rate.

[innominds]

It is assumed that most of the female population opt MSN as the search engine. As the they have greater role in purchases, MSN traffic may look targeted.

But personally I prefer Google as it gives me more traffic.

[Spurkle IT]

Some people forget that if it easier to climb the ranks in MSN, you can spend less time, and attrack more visitors, sometimes, than spending LOTS of time optimising for google.

[simrnz]

wow it sounds cool .. i always focus less on MSN just because I've heard that MSN brings 1/10 of the traffic we get from Google

[regmac]

Doing site SEO for MSN rankings shouldn't be neglected as diversifying traffic is very important.. We never know which one of those SEs we get organic traffic will experience temporary or longterm downtimes.. But when that happens, it would be great to find out that you still have other sources of traffic not totally depending on one or some.

[deepsand]

While the search traffic volume is inherently low, I find that the Conversion Rates for MSN adCenter PPC Ads are significantly higher, and the Cost per Conversion lower, than those of Google AdWords.

[deepsand]

Does that mean that any potential gain from MSN should be discarded?

[NetMassimo]

I don't think it should be discarded, you just shoudn't focus on MSN if it brings you low traffic compared to Google.

[deepsand]

Cannot low traffic be profitable?

Should not the proper measure be ROI, rather than simply traffic volume?

[articlemaster9]

Though dealing with MSN is not so easy but i will stick to it after google and yahoo it has the third position so we should not ignore it and try to list our site is msn but mns's crawler is a outdated crawler and to index any site in msn is very difficult for its crawler and for this reason i don't like MSN.

[bobchrist]

Most of the time when you optimize a site for Google it get optimized for MSN too because MSN crawlers tends to pick up new content and backinks very quickly.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by articlemaster9

... dealing with MSN is not so easy ...

Is dealing with other SEs easy? If so, in what way(s)?

Originally Posted by articlemaster9

... mns's crawler is a outdated crawler ...

In what way is it "outdated?""

Originally Posted by articlemaster9

... to index any site in msn is very difficult

How, then, to explain numerous instances here at WPW of members reporting that they found it easier to get good SERP rankings on MSN?

[NetMassimo]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Cannot low traffic be profitable?

Should not the proper measure be ROI, rather than simply traffic volume?

Yes, especially in the current economic situation low traffic can be profitable, the only problem is if you spend too much time trying to optimize your site for that traffic so your remark about ROI is correct.

[zeruel]

Yes. I still do consider them. Even though it is really hard to rank on MSN, getting a good rank on it means getting a good revenue as well.

[deepsand]

Given that, as above noted, there are numerous instances here at WPW of members reporting that they found it easier to get good SERP rankings on MSN, it's not a generality that it's "really hard to rank on MSN."

Obviously, on any SE's SERPs, someone has to be 1st, and someone has to be last.

[3dmagicaldesigns]

I still consider MSN, it is not my main concern but I review my positions there and try to rank my website too.

[safdar_ali]

I have focused on Google but I am also spend little time on MSN for optimization our websites becasue most of our visitor come from Google and less from MSN.

[flhu]

Whenever I see a lead or sale that originated from an MSN search I immediately delete it; then go to my beautiful children and slap them around a little bit.

[santhoshini]

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