MSN and frames

sfowler · #1 (**permalink**) 12-11-2004, 03:14 PM

How does MSN react to frames? Google is good at it, but Yahoo still has problems, but I have heard no information about the MSN arachnoid.

sfowler · #2 (**permalink**) 01-06-2005, 04:31 PM

I assume none of you have any idea either. Best just delete the thread.

**brian.mark** · #3 (**permalink**) 01-06-2005, 11:52 PM

When did Google start handling them well? I've seen no evidence of this. So far, MSN hasn't gone deep enough into our site (4 levels) to hit the framed pages, so I can't say for sure. We're going to leave the non-framed pages up as an option, because engines and visitors don't always like frames, regardless of how much better this http://www.toolpartsdirect.com/cgi-b.../makita/HG1100 is than this http://www.toolpartsdirect.com/cgi-b.../makita/HG1100

sfowler · #4 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 12:46 PM

I find that Google handles them pretty well now, but we are changing the first page to a static HTML on all sites.

braknews · #5 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Looking at a couple of pages where my competitors use frames I find:

Beta MSN search - "blank" page displayed in cache
Google - "blank" page displayed in cache
Yahoo - does display the framed pages in the cache

Am I correct to assume that if the cache displays a "blank" page then the spider could not read the pages contained within the frames?

sfowler · #6 (**permalink**) 01-08-2005, 03:46 PM

I don't think so. We have a company site, www.madur.at which uses frames and is doing fine in German. Each frame is a separate page and indexed as such. The question is, whether the beasties can navigate their way to the individual frames, or if they get stuck beforehand.

jakejammin · #7 (**permalink**) 01-18-2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfowler

I don't think so. We have a company site, www.madur.at which uses frames and is doing fine in German. Each frame is a separate page and indexed as such. The question is, whether the beasties can navigate their way to the individual frames, or if they get stuck beforehand.

No spider really likes frames.
Ever see "This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them." in a return from a search??

ALL the spiders can see is the index page.
I'm setting up a site that uses 3 frames.
So you have 4 pages top, side, main, and index.
Now the spiders only will see and spider INDEX, that HAS NOTHING ON IT but "This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them."

So I have done alot or research on spiders and frames, now what I understand is that you need to ADD content to the INDEX.

Here is what makes up a INDEX of a frames page.

Code:

<html>
<head>
<title>New Page 1</title>
</head>
<frameset rows="64,*">
	<frame name="banner" scrolling="no" noresize target="contents">
	<frameset cols="150,*">.
		<frame name="contents" target="main">
		<frame name="main">
	</frameset>
	<noframes>
	<body>
	

This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
	</body>
	</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>

Now looking at that you will see no food for the spiders!! YOU HAVE TO FEED THE SPIDERS OR THEY WILL NOT LIKE YOU AND END UP BITING YA!!!

With the above INDEX frames page, whats gets spidered??? INDEX ONLY!!
What gets seen?? This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them!!!

Now here is how you feed the spiders and make them nice to you and your pages!!
1: REPLACE the "This page uses frames" bull, with keywords.
2: ADD all you links to different pages with

Code:

I woud not suggest adding the frames pages in that, because they will index the frame pages and allow people to open just that frame page and thats NO GOOD.

But in my case, I have products, so all my product pages are apart of that but not the top, side, and main.

Hope that helps