MSN Submissions

[19sugar]

How do you currently submit to MSN and who is providing their current results?

Thanks!

[jestep]

Its not worth submitting. if you have inbound links into your site you will be picked up by MSN and all the other search engines. MSN is using overture right now, but is coming out with its own search engine in July, so at least wait until they have their own foot in place before you think about paying to submit to them or anything.

[cbp]

You don't need to submit to MSN (or any other search engine)- if you have good links to your site, you get indexed.

Results are provided by Yahoo.

CBP

[19sugar]

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I'm well aware that eventually you will get indexed by search engines, but I'm looking at more rapid results. I have clients that want immediate results and I was able to deliver them previously using PositionTech for MSN listings. Does anyone know if bcentral submissions will guarantee indexing in MSN? How has your experience been? The sales person I spoke with today there had very little knowledge on this topic. Thanks again.

A question that was not answered - who is supplying the MSN results currently?

[19sugar]

Sorry, I see you stated Yahoo! provides results for MSN. Interesting, I'm seeing completely different results on MSN.

[Dave Hawley]

Originally Posted by 19sugar

Sorry, I see you stated Yahoo! provides results for MSN. Interesting, I'm seeing completely different results on MSN.

Me too.

[sfowler]

If you really want to submit it to MSN, you can still do it for free on the French site. I have no idea how the result is treated. I have had my site up for four weeks now and have absolutely no indexing anywhere, except the directories I submitted to.

[Brittany]

19sugar,

Thanks for asking! I've moved your post to our new MSN Search forum where you can go to ask any questions you have about MSN Search.

Enjoy!

Brittany

[jbgilbert]

I'll let CBP answer this more specifically, but when CBP originally said:

Results are provided by Yahoo.

I believe what CBP means is that Yahoo provides the results from one of its' many search engine databases. Remember, Yahoo owns Inktomi and Inktomi has been a source of MSN results for a good while.

Yahoo itself may use some version or combination of all the engines it owns to produce it's own custom "Yahoo results", but technically, since Yahoo owns Inktomi and Inktomi supplies MSN, one could say Yahoo provides the MSN results.

Confused yet?

[Artyom]

Originally Posted by 19sugar

who is providing their current results?

Thanks!

http://bruceclay.com/searchenginerelationshipchart.htm

no comments:-)

[jbgilbert]

artyom,

Bruce Clay's chart is correct, but you have to understand what I said in my previous post (plus some other things).

In short... Yahoo owns Inktomi, for organic listings MSN uses Inkotmi but then adds some filtering and adjustments to the results.

MSN also uses Overture, but it's paid listings so to speak.

Does that help?

[Artyom]

Jbilbert,

all I wanted to do to give 19sugar a good picture of how Search Engines and Directories interact in general.

But sure MSN has its own algorithms and Yahoo does as well, no doubts.

[aperey]

My experience agrees with what jbgilbert wrote. There are a number of search engines that once were fed by Inktomi. Among them are Lycos, MSN, Yahoo, Hotbot (I believe). Their results were all the same, all out of date, and ranked very inaccurately. Now that Yahoo bought Inktomi, it has rearranged its search results to suit itself. And all the Inktomi former clients are led by the Yahoo algorithm (whatever that is) and that includes MSN. Small differences in search results merely mask the underlying uniformity. Further, Yahoo gives very significantly different results from Google. I regard Google as much less biased by commercial (and perhaps other) considerations. This is my impression. Since (as everyone knows) algorithms for ranking results are closely guarded secrets, we may never know for sure how or if Yahoo (and MSN too while it is served by Yahoo) "tinkers" with natural logic to come to its ranking order. Whenever MSN begins to use its own algorithms and database we may see some real improvements. But for now, I stick to Google and hope for the best.