How Long Does It Take To Get Traffic From Bookmarking Sites?

[janeth]

Inspired by Bill Hartzer, I have decided to do some testing. I’m going to start by signing up with some of the book marking sites and figuring out how they work. I’ll make a post about each site.

Then I’m going to use those sites to get traffic for 4 other sites including this one. I’m going to make all the stats public so everyone can see them and I’m going to add new post to each site everyday,

I’m using blogs on 3 of the sites and the fourth will be an online mail order bride site that I once owned but have since sold to a really nice guy I would like to try and help out.

The sites are listed below

Lawn Mowers

Social Bookmarking

Politics

Mail Order Brides

I’m using several in different areas to see how each area does.

Ok Let’s get started.

[southplatte]

You go Janeth - I am very curious to see the results to see if this is something I can implement on a new site I am launching.

[janeth]

First step is setting up all the stats so everyone can see them, I’m doing that now and I’m setting them for unique visitors only and keep in mind that forum visitors do not count.

I’m going to use Statcounter so it will take me a couple minutes to get everything set up and posted on the blogs.

[tacimala]

Interested in seeing what happens here. Thanks for doing the experiment.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by southplatte

You go Janeth - I am very curious to see the results to see if this is something I can implement on a new site I am launching.

I'm also very interested to see how it might help me in marketing some of my other sites.

[janeth]

I've added the stats to the bottom of ranked1 on the left hand side, you can click below it and should be able to see everything.

[janeth]

I'm using this list from William to start with on signing up with some sites. Once I'm signed up I'll play with the sites a little and post my thoughts on each site.

Signing up is a pain and time consuming.

[janeth]

I don't even see a link on www.tagtooga.com to register with that site.

[janeth]

Another site with problems www.linkroll.com I get an error everytime I add my information, will come back and try them again later.

[southplatte]

Originally Posted by janeth

I don't even see a link on www.tagtooga.com to register with that site.

Janeth -

According to the site: "Creating a Free Account
When you first visit TagTooga.com, an "automatic-account" is instantly created for you. You may immediately begin adding/editing content on TagTooga.com. The automatic account is given the name of your IP address, which may not be permanent. To create a permanent account, click on "Logout" in the left rail and then click on "Register". You will be guided through a simple process to create your account."

[janeth]

Thanks southplatte, I had a lot of windows opened and was trying to register on all the sites as fast as I could.

Trying to get to the meat of this thing asap but either way I think Ken might be going to take over these test.

He's upset about me doing them but has no idea how big of a pain it actually is doing all this stuff for the first time.

I just want to see the end results and don't really care who does them.

[janeth]

This was from Ken

I must say Janeth, that has to be absolutely the most shameless play I have ever seen to steal a thread for self promotion!

I really didn't mean to upset anyone and think it's best that I no longer post anything about this test.

[southplatte]

You know what? I say do it anyway, just without posting a step-by-step and in the end if you don't want to post the results here, PM them to me, email them to me, contact me through my web site with them.

I want proof that original content will get great results.

[langsor]

janeth,

I should have posted my reply to this new thread here, instead I posted it on the tail of the old thread.

I am also interested in your experiment. If you do not have the time, or do not want to go against the grain of this bulletin board--I totally understand.

If, however, you are still planning on conducting this experiment--please consider keeping me in the loop.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help, too.

Thanks

Kevin
kdouglas@satarah.com

[anandnadaar]

Janeth, even I am eager to see the results.. Best of luck with your test and I dont see anybody should be hurt by your test because ultimately "How to" topic is meant for people to learn and work upon it. So you may post your results here.. which can be open to all.
And if that really gives you the claimed results then again best of luck with your new traffic flooded website :)

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by janeth

This was from Ken

I really didn't mean to upset anyone and think it's best that I no longer post anything about this test.

I don't see where that was posted. Don't be discouraged by posts from elsewhere. I'm very interested in this and have clicked to subscribe to this thread, so we certainly hope you won't stop. (That other thread is too long with too much BS and I can't make any sense out of it, I can't even ascertain if it all was legit or not!) Hopefully this thread will add some clarity.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by janeth

Another site with problems www.linkroll.com I get an error everytime I add my information, will come back and try them again later.

That site isn't even up now. Maybe that's why.

[janeth]

I'll have the sites submitted to all the bookmarking sites today.

[Clint1]

Please forgive me for saying, or asking, but I'm not clear on what this "social bookmarking" thing is. Isn't this just another word for those "link farm" or "directory" websites?

I have had VERY BAD experiences with them. Every email address I've used (when they've asked for email addresses) was attacked with hundreds of UCE's after submitting a link and the email address had to eventually be deleted. Then, your link "rotates off" in a matter of days or even hours in some cases.

[janeth]

I've not had any problems with spam emails from anyone yet.

These are sites that allow you to store your bookmarks for the public to see.

If I see a site I like I can bookmark it and let everyone else see it.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by janeth

I've not had any problems with spam emails from anyone yet.

These are sites that allow you to store your bookmarks for the public to see.

If I see a site I like I can bookmark it and let everyone else see it.

I see. So the benefit is if others registered at these sites see your bookmarks and click them?

[janeth]

Yes, I'm writing an article on it now and will bookmark that article on every site and see what happenes.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by janeth

Yes, I'm writing an article on it now and will bookmark that article on every site and see what happens.

Hmm, that really makes me wonder what the domain/URL is of that guy that started the other thread. I can't imagine such a large number clicking on a link unless it's really something. Someone on the other thread mentioned it must be some kind of p0rn site and link or similar, which would make sense.

I guess it boils down to what the product for the link is and if bookmark site visitors are interested in it.

[janeth]

They found thoses sites and they were not about anything special.

Here is what I wrote and I'm bookmarking it on all the sites now. I have one of the girls in the office doing the bookmarking and I'm doing the writing.

I will continue to write and bookmark stuff all day today.

“No Hustle. No Bustle. No Stress. No Search Engines. No Links.
No Fourms. No Time. No Direstories. No Money Spent.

Just Build A Website, Write The Content And Dominate The Whole Internet By Doing Nothing More The Bookmarketing your sites. It Can All Be Done In Less Then 7 Days.”

“Dominating The Market With Social BookMarking”

Bookmarking is nothing new, when you’re out surfing the web and find a site you really like and would like to return to that site later you can use your browser to bookmark that site, so it’s easy to find when your ready to return. But storing those bookmarks so others can see them is new.

There are a number of sites online that will allow you to publicly store your bookmarks so others can see the type of sites you enjoy. If you find someone that enjoys the same types of sites you enjoy, then your able to find many sites you may never know existed otherwise. It’s a craze that seems to be sweeping across the internet and one that marketing experts are starting to take notice of.

Some marketing experts are claiming to be able to dominate a marketing area as well as getting 1,000’s of visitors a day by doing nothing more then bookmarking their sites and writing good content for those sites. The amazing part is they claim to be able to do it in days instead of months.

Members of WPW and WWS, along with myself, decided to put this to the test, so I’m writing this article and will bookmark it on all the bookmarking sites.

Now the marketing expert that claims to be able to dominate the market did it in less then seven days and with a brand new domain name that had never been registered before and had no links going to the site.

I’m using a blog that allows pinging, an older domain name, and a well written header stolen straight from the marketing guy, I’ll not only bookmark the site but will write articles inside the site and bookmark them as well and this site already has links going to it. You want to talk about a stacked deck; this experiment has everything in the favor of the marketing guy.

I want him to be right, I want to be able to take a new site and get 1,000’s of visitors a day and dominate the market in less then a week.

Here we go, this article will be placed on the site and we will start our marketing efforts in dominating the market.

[Clint1]

Interesting. So just what is this "pinging"? I know what ping is and means, I do it with my own site and other sites but it's for timing issues. Can someone please explain what a "blog that allows pinging" means? Why would you want to "ping" a SE? Is this pinging an SE, just clicking it?

http://www.google.com/addurl?q=http%...submit=Add+URL

That's just the G shortcut to the page AFTER you submit a URL to G.

[janeth]

I can take my Geeks Blog and make a post, it then pings different search engines like this one http://blogsearch.google.com/ I can then go back and do a search on the topic of my article and I already rank number one for that article on the above site.

I can write an article on search engine optimization and show up number one on the results in a matter of minutes. For the user they get fresh information, for me I get traffic. The strange thing is that it only seems to work on older established sites. I have to do some more testing and research on that.

[janeth]

I rank #1 right now for Dominating The Market With Social BookMarking and the post is only 15 or 20 minutes old.

[Clint1]

But how exactly does it "ping" the SE's? Is that example I gave considered pinging?

Is all of this just for G's blog search, or, for google.com web searches as well?

[janeth]

Do you have a blog your using Clint?

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by janeth

Do you have a blog your using Clint?

No, my 2 main sites are the sale of goods, products.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Clint1

No, my 2 main sites are the sale of goods, products.

Are you wanting to know how the pinging works or how to make it work on a site or how to make it work with a blog?

[Clint1]

Yes, as to how the pinging works, just out of curiosity. Also yes as to how or if this can be made to work with sites that sell products. Not blog-related (unless of course some kind of a blog can help sell products). ;-)

[janeth]

The first site has been submitted which is the SMO Site I'm not seeing a lot of traffic from the bookmarking site although there are a couple hits coming in from them.

I'm about to do the political site now it's a bit harder to write for since I'm not an American and not into my own countries politics much less the American politics. (-;

But either way I've written something for it and will be submitting it next. I'm also going to do the GeeksOnSteroids site to see if I see any increases in sales there.

It's a bit time consuming but I'm going to continue to write articles and bookmark them and see what happens.

I'm also studying the different sites to see if I can figure out how they work and figure out how to increase the little traffic I'm getting now.

Once I get this all figured out I will move towards the Social Networks and see what I can do there.

[janeth]

A small note, Bill only submitted the sites one time, I've submitted the sites and then went back to submit the different articles from those sites.

So I'm doing a little more then what he had originally done so the results should be better

[joer80]

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

[southplatte]

Originally Posted by joer80

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

good info to know joer80! thanks for sharing

[nipplecharms1]

Dear Janeth,

Ken gets way too into some of this "policing" stuff here! He has interesting things to say but sometimes takes things to an extreme. I found your comments noteworthy, ergo my post here.

I do have a question or 43. I have been working my site for a few years and the hits are ok, positions is nice, conversion sucks but its fun. I am lost on this and Bill Hartzer original post. I posted there also.

Does all of this only work for blogs? I do have a blog and would love more traffic.

But more importantly, blogs do not sell items. They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

I want to try all of this on one of our Body Jewelry sites. this link is not our main one but one for international orders.

At the risk of "promoting myself in a thread" do you have any suggestions? I would love to try and understand what you are doing with the 5 sites you mentioned here but really this stuff is still greek to me.

Any layman's insight my you or other is encouraged and appreciated.

thanks

Michael

[janeth]

Originally Posted by joer80

my experience with digg is you have to spend a lot of time making friends, and digg their posts, or you need alot of traffic on your website that will click from your website to digg to digg your post. Great quality content will sink to nowhere within 15min.

I was not impressed with Digg, Stumbleupon or Delicious. Stumble click in and back out, doesn't convert. I just never got any hits from delicious. Have not tried the others.

(I think the single links are what is of value not the traffic or amount of people linking to it that find it interesting.)

Thanks Joer,

It sounds like a lot of work to get traffic from people that are not interested in buying anything.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Dear Janeth,

Ken gets way too into some of this "policing" stuff here! He has interesting things to say

I must have missed those lol

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Does all of this only work for blogs?

We are not even sure if it will even work but no it will work for anything you want it to work on with enough effort.

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

But more importantly, blogs do not sell items.

They can sell more items then a website if set up right. (:

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

But they can direct the traffic back to your site to make the sell. Let me write my thoughts and I'll post back here in one second.

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by janeth

I must have missed those lol

He did mention the nice weather in Dallas once! :)

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Does all of this only work for blogs?

We are not even sure if it will even work but no it will work for anything you want it to work on with enough effort.

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

But more importantly, blogs do not sell items.

They can sell more items then a website if set up right. (:

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

They may talk about items (ours show people wearing our jewelry so please do not go there if you do not like to see body jewelry) but they are not commerce sites.

But they can direct the traffic back to your site to make the sell. Let me write my thoughts and I'll post back here in one second.[/quote]

I await your response. And we use our blog to get people to our site... now the trick is getting the blog out there.

for what its worth, for nipple jewelry on MSN, our blog is number 1. But does anyone buy from MSN?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Michael

[janeth]

lol

I'm writing my thoughts down now. (:

[janeth]

I'll start with blogs.

I can take a post and write it about a new nose ring, show pictures write up an article and use my blog to get the information out there. I can place a little click here if your interested in buying this button that takes you to my shopping cart.

I can then get links to that post from outside my site and rank that post number one for the keyword the topic is about.

Lets say it's about red square widgets. I use red square widgets in my title, in my text and I have pictures of red square widgets on the post as well as a red square button that says buy this red square widget here.

Now I have anchor text going to that page that says red square widget. I rank number one easily for that keyword because it's not competitive.

If someone searches for widgets they may be looking for blue widgets, round widgets , black widgets and that traffic want convert very well but if I rank for red square widget they get what they are looking for and I should have a very high conversion rate.

Did that make sense?

Of course you would then do it for each and every product you sell.

I'm writing about your other question now.

[janeth]

I tend to want to see proof before I decide something will or will not work. The SEO blog has had both the home page and one article submitted to all the sites in the list Bill said he uses. It has had around 70 visitors today and I'd guess less then half those are from the bookmarking sites.

I don't think I'm going to get the results Bill claims to have gotten just by submitting the sites and I don't know that he got those results but I'm not saying the results are not obtainable.

1.From what I can tell you need to become part of the community before your going to be able to get the results your wanting to get.

2.It's going to take a lot of visitors to make the sell, from what I've read so far these visitors do not convert easily.

3.Submitting the site does not seem to be enough to get a lot of traffic but submitting each article might do the trick.

4.Your dealing with people that are savvy enough to understand those sites, know how to find them and know how to use them. These people are web surfers and spend a lot of time online and are less likely to buy what you have to sell. But if you hit the right person you can make a sell.

This can be used for branding a site and making a little money but it's going to take a lot of work to make it work. Just in the list that Bill said he uses there are 40 sites, can you imagine trying to fit in and be part of a community on 40 different sites?

These are my observations from playing around for a full day with the sites and I'm far from finished.

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by janeth

I can then get links to that post from outside my site and rank that post number one for the keyword the topic is about.

here I am in a quandry. Where do you get this accomplished? Other's blogs? press releases? Forums?

Thanks so far!!

Michael

[janeth]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

here I am in a quandry. Where do you get this accomplished? Other's blogs? press releases? Forums?
Thanks so far!!
Michael

Yes, Lets say that I've just written my blog post and I've got everything ready to go.

Now I can send out some press release (I have a list of all the places to submit them to for free), then I'm going to rewrite the article and submit it to all the article sites (I have a list of all the places to submit them to for free) both of these have links back to the original post.

If I'm still not ranking

Now I will submit that page to directories and make comments on other blogs with links back to that post plus I will link to the page from my site with the needed anchor.

Then I will join forums and find places where I can link to the article without spamming.

We are talking about non-competitive search terms in most cases so you should only need a link from your site.

But if I'm still not ranking I'll go to bloggin and create a blog about the topic and link post in that blog to the page in the articles I write on that blog.

If I'm still not ranking I'll create little free mini sites with links back to that page.

I'll sign up for places like myspace build my page and link it back to the page.

We have a list of bookmarking sites we just used that can link back to the page.

Getting links are easy and I could go on and on.

[nipplecharms1]

Let me digest and get back to you. THANKS!!!

If you want to e-mail me or get me those lists that would also help.

Michael

[janeth]

The article list is here and the press release is here.

[joer80]

I honestly think his magic is not in the bookmarking, that is just what got him indexed. The magic is his pinging and various content sources monitoring the sites that he is pinging. That is it. Blog search is driven by freshness of the post so the key is in post frequency.

;)

[janeth]

Originally Posted by joer80

I honestly think his magic is not in the bookmarking, that is just what got him indexed. The magic is his pinging and various content sources monitoring the sites that he is pinging. That is it. Blog search is driven by freshness of the post so the key is in post frequency.

;)

On day 3 he wrote 15-20 unique web pages on day 5 he added another page. We are talking about a total of 20 to 25 pages and no proof was ever shown that the guy is even telling the truth.

[southplatte]

Originally Posted by janeth

On day 3 he wrote 15-20 unique web pages on day 5 he added another page. We are talking about a total of 20 to 25 pages and no proof was ever shown that the guy is even telling the truth.

And if the links provided in the other thread are in fact his, he is not even writing the content, but just using a content clearing house for it. Further, he claims all the advertising contracts that he has to sort out, however what other revenue has it brought in?