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Old 04-14-2006, 12:48 PM
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The high drama surrounding AOL's arrangement with Goodmail's CertifiedEmail service was further escalated Thursday after MoveOn.org, one of the company's most brutal critics, announced that AOL had blocked emails containing links to MoveOn's petition site, DearAOL.com.

The event comes on the heels of national uproar over what seemed to be AOL's plan to phase out their free EnhancedWhitelist in favor of Goodmail's fee-based authentication service. AOL was quick to make a subsequent announcement that the EnhancedWhitelist would remain.

But MoveOn.org, among others, doesn't buy that it's not still on the agenda. Calling the proposed system anything from "email tax" to "extortion," the traditionally left-wing organization united the most unlikely of opponents from Gun Owners of America to Cleanpeace.org, from RightMarch.com to the Democratic National Committee.

It's like looking out the window to see Charlton Heston holding hands with Alec Baldwin. MoveOn.org has collected over 350,000 individual signatures to its DearAOL petition, and garnered support from over 600 businesses and organizations. In total, says MoveOn's Adam Green, the list of petitioners counts 15 million people.

That type of opposition was enough to land AOL and Goodmail in front of the California legislature earlier this week to explain the situation. After the hearing, MoveOn and a host of other opponents lambasted Goodmail CEO Richard Gingras for reversing what had been the chief selling point for the partnership for the past couple of months.

On Wednesday, MoveOn sent out notices to those on its email list pointing out the seeming contradictions and using them as evidence of AOL's loss of trustworthiness. But AOL members were not receiving those messages. Anyone who tried to forward the message on to AOL accounts had their messages bounced back with notice of permanent failure of delivery.

MoveOn, who has accused AOL of lying throughout the ordeal, was quick to send out notice:

"AOL was caught red-handed censoring email, and now the public knows their credibility is gone," said Adam Green, a spokesperson for MoveOn.org Civic Action.

"Think about it. AOL's first reaction was to tell reporters that the DearAOL.com Coalition were spammers, and their second reaction was to unblock our emails. They can't both be true - why would AOL unblock the email of spammers? AOL was caught censoring email, then they were caught lying about our coalition, and in the end AOL proved they cannot be trusted to preserve the free and open Internet."

The timing of the blockage is what makes many suspicious of AOL's action - a fact that is either damning or unfortunate. But AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham told WebProNews that the problem was the result of a technical glitch during system upgrades, and that technicians were working on the problem long before MoveOn sent them notice.

"We noticed it early on Thursday. We were contacted by someone at MoveOn.org around 12:45 and were well on our way to a fix," said Graham.

Graham said that at least 50 or 60 websites were affected by the glitch, including DearAOL.com, and called the incident "regrettable."

"No medium is going to operate seamlessly every day," said Graham. "We offer our regrets to anyone that's been involved. It involves some very complicated software and hardware. We were able to fix it within 9 hours."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, however, isn't buying that explanation, echoing sentiments from many who believe email blocking often occurs, but the high profile of MoveOn.org brought the issue to light.

"The fact is, ISPs like AOL commonly make these kinds of arbitrary decisions - silently banning huge swathes of legitimate mail on the flimsiest of reasons - every day, and no-one hears about it," said Danny O'Brien, of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"AOL's planned CertifiedEmail system would let them profit from this power by offering to charge legitimate mailers to bypass these malfunctioning filters."

ClickZ, AOL's chief media apologist since the situation began, and blogger Kevin Newcomb thinks that MoveOn is "tilting at windmills."

"AOL's explanation makes more sense than the coalition's scenario," writes Newcomb. "The DearAOL petition has been circulating freely through AOL's e-mail system since February, so it seems a bit odd that the company would suddenly decide to begin blocking them two months later."

The oddness here, though, is the timing. It seems to many to be very suspect that - as the situation was reaching fever pitch, after months of being slammed by everyone, after the DearAOL petition was gaining critical mass, after contradictory statements were made and illuminated in the California legislature -- that the DearAOL.com URLs were suddenly prevented from reaching emails a day after MoveOn.org's email blitz about the week's events.

It was either an orchestrated glitch or an incredibly unfortunate coincidence. Either way, the Goodmail CertifiedEmail/AOL endeavor has become a fiasco of epic proportions.
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I don't know if any of this is true. However, I fail to understand why ANYONE would stay with AOL and the way it filters the net etc. The only reason anyone is with AOL is because when they bought their first PC they had heard of AOL or AOL was already installed.

AOL would seem to be the provider of choice for newbies that still don't know what is really out there!

PS, message to AOL. If I wanted to use your services I would ask for them, so.... PLEASE STOP SENDING THOSE FLIPPIN' CDS!!!!
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Well, considering that it's not that easy a task to block an email account or sender's ip ... if this is true, I have to believe that AOL arranged it.

But, as JayHoe said, I have no idea why anyone would even want to use AOL. They have been, from the beginning (and I began with them when they were version 1) the worst excuse for 'surfing the net' that anyone has ever come up with. Whenever I meet anyone that uses AOL, I tell them how much of the real internet they are missing out on by being in this "community" that is dictated by AOL's views. Now-a-days, with the web being so simple any child can find their way around, there simply isn't a need for something like AOL. No matter how fancy they may try to make it, it's archaic and needs to just go away! I could write a book on how many problems I have when sending or receiving mail from anyone using AOL.

They didn't get the handle, AOHell for nothing! LOL

PS: JayHoe ... don't get angry over getting those AOL discs! I use them as coasters. LOL Let them waste their marketing money!! :D
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AOL has long been known to do this. AOL, which is partnered with Google, doesn't want anyone advertising to their members. It's not for the altruistic reasons they give, such as fighting spam. It's because it competes with the advertising they use to spam their own members whenever they log into their AOL accounts.

Google has been accused of similar filtering of their organic SERPs which are in direct competition with their own sponsored offerings.

AOL= Ads On Line. Remember, friends don't let friends surf with AOL.
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For what it's worth, for some reason one of my daughters has kept her AOL account. For a test I forwarded the article and added moveon.org to the body of the text I added.
It was rejected as:
"No recipients were successfully delivered to."

Sent a follow up to her about situation using
"move on dot org" in body and it went through fine.

Corporate America continues it's gamesmanship.
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:54 PM
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AOl knows that politicians, once elected, tend to remain in place forever (not always, but more often than not).

They also know that once a newbie "gets used to" AOL they tend to keep it (not always, but often enough that it makes for a VERY LARGE profit for AOL).

People who have been abused all their lives do not know any other way to live. People who start out with AOL do not know any other way either.

A good and caring friend can act as a therapist to help these poor abused people break through to a better world..............without AOL.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:37 PM
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Censorship is nothing new for AOL. I was censored 2 years ago for my email address: Fu@kedByBush.us
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Default Censorship of Emails by AOL

I have just joined the forum to tell you about what has just happened to me.
I have been receiving your newsletter for awhile and when I saw the article on Aol censoring emails, I thought my friend who is on Aol would be interested in seeing it. (She lives in Canberra Australia).
I forwarded it on to her three times, and each time it has come back. The third time I altered the heading to take out reference to Aol but it still came back.
I then sent her an email with the link in it to your page with the article on it. That email has not come back.
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:50 PM
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I have no doubt that AOL is censoring Move On's newsletter and the petition against AOL and the others who are trying to squeeze us out of the internet and make even more money for themselves.

I had my own personal experience with their censorship. One of my friends who uses AOL (why I don't know), who I write regularly; my mail to her began to be returned to me with this link in it to find out the reason. They wanted all sorts of info which I refused to give. Finally out of frustration, I called AOL and asked why my emails were being returned. They told me the reason is because I had a link to a Geocities website in the body of my email - which I did - it is one I did a while back. The guy told me to remove the link and re-send the mail and that it should go through and it did! So, I have to leave the link off to send my friends who use AOL Mail.

AOL has also been censoring a newsletter from Thundercloud Stationary, which we pay for. They have a free version too but the people who paid for the pro version stopped receiving their newsletters because AOL was censoring it. Cloud 8 Stationary has been battling with them back and forth about this problem and as far as I know, it's still happening. I don't know why they would censor Cloud 8 Stationary - their newsletters are informative about Outlook express and Stationary, etc, and other things.

Since Moveon is one activist group that is trying to stop this move on the part of AOL and others, I'm certain AOL must be censoring them too.

My cousin had AOL for a while and then dumped it - due to the usual complaints - then you have to fight with them, to stop charging you. Well, when she finally got rid of them, the junk we found on her pc that AOL had installed was unbelievable. It took us a while to get rid of all that AOL junk too. I don't know why anyone uses AOL anyhow. They censor people's mail; they refuse to let their customers visit some websites and their service is rotten.

I wish more people would just dump them. There are plenty of good ISP's around and anything to me, is better than AOL Hell.
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All I know is that AOL blocks my emails that I send to my family with AOL accounts. These are one-off mailings without even a cc in the headers, using an address that never receives any spam. In other words, a 100% clean email address.

AOL let one email through. But, if I try to send another within 24 hours, it gets bounced back.

And, I have registered my email address and IP addresses with AOL's report abuse service and I have never had anything from AOL other than acknowledging that I am registered with their service and that they will inform me if there is any reason for AOL to block my email address.

When hackers have tried to get into my mailserver via forms, it is AOL addresses that the spammers use for the bcc reply. But AOL leaves those addresses up for months and does nothing to close them when the addresses are reported.

Any ISP that will allow mail through just because a fee is being paid is doing no more than rewarding the spammers who can afford the thousands. What little business wants to have to pay thousands just because a few of their customers happen to be so ignorant as to have AOL accounts?

As it is a member of my family who has an AOL account - not a free one either - I know also how they feel about having an ISP that bounces all the mail that they are waiting for, AND WANT TO RECEIVE.

As far as I am concerned, AOL have lost the right to call themselves an ISP.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:29 PM
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i received an email over the weekend echoing that AOl blocked delivery when trying to forward my article to an AOl member. in light of the reports in here, this may merit some more looking into. could you guys that have recently had mail blocked, inform us of the method by which you sent it, and how you set it up...was the article referenced by link, by title, cut and pasted? Is there any reason that AOl would confuse you with a bulk mailer? Do you know if it's an AOL policy to block individual emails with embedded links? I'll be calling the spokesman today to see what he has to say about it (though I bet I can guess). and i'll be PMing a couple of you for more detailed info. thanks!
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You can search on the homepage try some other keywords,no ads even.these page updated every day.Because of the huge database,it perhaps not very fast,if you don't like it,take it easy.
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