Submitting to Directories like DMOZ even worth it?

[Izzmo]

That would be the question of the day it seems. Is submitting your website to directories like DMOZ and Jayde worth the hassle?

Yes and no. Thousands of people go to these directories to add their site, but who will actually see them when you do? If you do some research, many people will and won't go to directories. Most people just open the old yellow or white pages and look for the place their wanting to go, or simply dial local assisstance on the phone(USA).

I don't know about you guys, but out of 10 people I've talked to, they've said all they go to DMOZ for is to add their clients site and then never return until they have to add another. Now who will see your listing?

Now, of course there are still people who are internet savvy that will do the occasional search, but only 2 out of 5 people will pick a directory site from a Search Engine.

Face it, the fact is you can find the same information and more from a Search Engine query than what you would get from a Directory search, so why bother?

DMOZ is often down, slow, and unreliable for people with Dial-up for DSL, and some slow Cable providers. DMOZ editors are often bias in some cases with a high-traffic category. Therefor, it will take a long time if submitting your site to category that is broad or unspecific. You really have to get down about a good 4 or 5 levels to get your site added fast, and fast I mean 1-6 months. But lets talk about the advantages. You get your site listing and that is another link to your site and Google likes links. People that search for your site will see and will click on it if the site fits their search query. Submitting to directories will definatly help your PR in Google, but just remember not to submit to Link Farms, or Google will penalize you. Only submit to good authentic directories such as Google Directory, DMOZ, Jayde, Kellysearch, etc.

So is submitting your site to web directories worth it? Sure, if you want to wait around for months trying to get it in and only gaining one simple link to your site.

The way to go would probably gain reciprocal or authoritive links slowly. That's the way Google says to do it in your patent and is potentially a better link than one from DMOZ will you only get low traffic in that specific category anyway.

That's just my 7 cents on Web Directories. Like it or not, it's the facts.

[cspelts]

Originally Posted by Izzmo

That's just my 7 cents on Web Directories. Like it or not, it's the facts.

I like StoreFront and use it, but it seems like you wrote this post just to be inflammatory.

First, a link in the DMOZ is not just one "low traffic" link. Their database is replicated all over the Internet, which can mean hundreds of links. And since it takes very little effort on your part - why not? Just follow their directions and write a concise and spam-free description of your site - and then forget about it.

Second, the users who do use directories to look for information tend to be more savvy, and the traffic you get from that one little link will be more targeted. Generally your bounce rate will be a lower than traffic that comes from a search engine.

Third, you're less likely to show up in the organic searches on Google and the others, if you don't have lots of links. Directories are an easy way to get more links.

Originally Posted by Izzmo

You really have to get down about a good 4 or 5 levels to get your site added fast, and fast I mean 1-6 months.

Not true.

[Izzmo]

Sure, I agree with you. But Google doesn't just see that you have a link on DMOZ. A lot of sites have a link on DMOZ. They want to see how much time the user who clicked on your site spent on your site and how many times someone came to your site through that link. Therefor making it difficult for people to get a good PR off of a DMOZ link.

Have you tried to submit a link to a directory 1 or 2 levels in? It won't happen unless you have a good PR 5 or higher and are willing to wait a long period of time. I've submitted sites and the ones about 4 levels deep go in way faster and at that right, are in a more specific category.

[cspelts]

Originally Posted by Izzmo

Have you tried to submit a link to a directory 1 or 2 levels in? It won't happen unless you have a good PR 5 or higher and are willing to wait a long period of time.

That's not true. Editors add quality sites - that's their whole mission. They could care less about PR.

It can take two minutes or two years to get listed, because editors don't work on a schedule. But, if you submit to a high level category, and your site is more suited to category further down the tree, an editor will have to move your site to the appropriate category, which just delays the process. Submit to the best category for your site.

Originally Posted by Izzmo

They want to see how much time the user who clicked on your site spent on your site and how many times someone came to your site through that link. Therefor making it difficult for people to get a good PR off of a DMOZ link.

Just make sure you're not valuing the little green bar over actual traffic!

[Izzmo]

I'm not trying to start a rivalry here, but when you get a site added in 2 minutes, come and tell me and I'll pay you $50,000 to try and add mine :)

The only time I ever look at the Google PR meter is when I'm getting links. Otherwise, I could really care less because you can still be #1 rank in your keyword and have 2 or 3 PR, therefor having no influence on me.

[wrmineo]

Okay, you wrote a very lengthy "article" that on the surface would seem intelligible; however, it is full of bias, inaccuracies, and either ignorance, stupidity or both. (I define ignorance as not knowing better and studipity as knowing better, but doing/saying anyway).

But Google doesn't just see that you have a link on DMOZ.

Wrong!

There is but one, and only one, way to get in the Google Directory, and that is via DMOZ. This is the same for AOL, Netscape and many other directories.

... you can find the same information and more from a Search Engine query than what you would get from a Directory search, so why bother

The Directory information is often different, cleaner and spam free, used by researchers, other site owners looking for quality sites to affiliate with, and more.

Why bother?

It's a simple math problem. You said it yourself, but didn't listen ...

A listing in DMOZ equates to a one-way, relevant and quality IBL to your site. And it's not a single link - this compounds when their feed is picked up in other directories already listed. Additionally, seeing how DMOZ, Google Directory and others usually have very high PR, that also boosts your own PR which can equate to higher SERP.

Furthermore, I see directory listings all the time in search engines - I see directory links pointing to me in the engines quite frequently.

Have you tried to submit a link to a directory 1 or 2 levels in? It won't happen unless you have a good PR 5 or higher and are willing to wait a long period of time.

Yes, I've had new sites that had a big, whopping PR0 that were listed with no problem - the key is a quality, content rich site, with a good title and description. DMOZ does not care about your PR, they care about your content. And no, it didn't take several months (though it can).

DMOZ editors are often bias in some cases with a high-traffic category.

This is like categorizing an entire race of people because you have a negative opinion of one person - grow up. Is it possible that an editor has less than professional intentions, sure; but it does not qualify the whole group of over 10000 editors.

If you want to write an authoritative article, check and verify your facts first - else, try to sell it to a less informed crowd.

Friends, webmasters and surfers, I have not come here to praise DMOZ ...

[greeneagle]

Before this thread degrades into another DMOZ Bashing, name calling, hair pulling, worthless scrap...

Please be advised that WPW has settled the DMOZ debate for once and all:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=43689

Ken :-)

[Izzmo]

Originally Posted by wrmineo

Okay, you wrote a very lengthy "article" that on the surface would seem intelligible; however, it is full of bias, inaccuracies, and either ignorance, stupidity or both. (I define ignorance as not knowing better and studipity as knowing better, but doing/saying anyway).

Wrong!

There is but one, and only one, way to get in the Google Directory, and that is via DMOZ. This is the same for AOL, Netscape and many other directories.

The Directory information is often different, cleaner and spam free, used by researchers, other site owners looking for quality sites to affiliate with, and more.

Why bother?

It's a simple math problem. You said it yourself, but didn't listen ...

A listing in DMOZ equates to a one-way, relevant and quality IBL to your site. And it's not a single link - this compounds when their feed is picked up in other directories already listed. Additionally, seeing how DMOZ, Google Directory and others usually have very high PR, that also boosts your own PR which can equate to higher SERP.

Furthermore, I see directory listings all the time in search engines - I see directory links pointing to me in the engines quite frequently.

Yes, I've had new sites that had a big, whopping PR0 that were listed with no problem - the key is a quality, content rich site, with a good title and description. DMOZ does not care about your PR, they care about your content. And no, it didn't take several months (though it can).

This is like categorizing an entire race of people because you have a negative opinion of one person - grow up. Is it possible that an editor has less than professional intentions, sure; but it does not qualify the whole group of over 10000 editors.

If you want to write an authoritative article, check and verify your facts first - else, try to sell it to a less informed crowd.

Friends, webmasters and surfers, I have not come here to praise DMOZ ...

Sure, it's bias, but what isn't these days, eh? I'm just telling you of my experience. Some sites are hard to find a niche on there and take a long time to submit. I NEVER SAID that I site couldn't be submitted in a day now did I?

I'm not gonna say any more because I don't want you to get mad again and take your sweet time righting another long post that I don't want to read about my "inaccuracies".