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Old 01-24-2005, 01:25 PM
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Hi, check out this article:

Smoke, Mirrors and Silence

Just thought I'd pass it along.

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Business Must Be Cautious With Firefox
Business users need to think twice about making the switch from Internet Explorer, since Firefox lacks the ability to run Microsoft ActiveX code... Many mission-critical applications have been built on Internet Explorer, and most organizations don't have the budget or resources to recode them. If you aren't dependent on Internet Explorer technology, however, you could use Firefox for your daily Web surfing while reserving Internet Explorer use for sites that require it.
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Just a thought, but aren't savvy webmasters abandoning "active-x", javascripts and the likes and running for the CSS "hills" as fast as they can?

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Just a thought, but aren't savvy webmasters abandoning "active-x", javascripts and the likes and running for the CSS "hills" as fast as they can?

Ken
Yeah, but there are companies out there who have spent tens of thousands on custom intranets that still have some active-x functionality.

We're at a point where it seems the American economy could go either way. I don't think the people who control the purse strings are going to listen to the tech guys who say firefox is more secure until their computers stop dropping like flies.
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Old 01-26-2005, 03:59 AM
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Microsoft's position is at risk! Microsoft's market value was on January 25, 2005 $279,074 mil. while Google's was $49,412 mil. Microsoft was founded July 1st, 1975 and Google September 7, 1998 with both assuming an initial capital of $100'000.-
Microsoft exists already 10'802 days, while Google only 2'333! Microsoft from its beginning to January 25, 2005 had a daily stock increase of 0.14% days, while Google has a 4.10 times stronger growth with a daily 0.56% growth rate.
At the actual growth rate, assuming the rates remain stable during the next 24 months, Google's market value will be greater than Microsoft's as soon as March 10, 2006!
And what do we know about Google?
They diversify into FF browser and they are entering the VoIP telecom business where they will take away all the traditional telecom fixed net activities.
I really believe, Microsoft will loose against the hypothetical association Google-(IBM)-Firefox.
If Google heavily invests into the telecom VoIP business, they will need a strong and reliable browser and they may go very close with FF!
And the facts are already in the media! All you need is to interprete them properly!

Google wants to offer cheap phone calls by broadband
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Is not Microsoft's worst enemy Microsoft.

Is not providing slanted search results with MSN search like shoting themselfs in the foot.
http://www.ivor.it/goog/

And will not cutting off support for products inflict the internet and it's legitimate customer with even more viruses.
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Default Firefox: The IE Killer

Well I do not know about Firefox killing off IE. I have both IE and Firefox and I still use IE as my default browser.

I have a website at ChuckBaker.org and I use FireFox to check to see that all things work in both browsers.

Well some of the content on my home page will not show in FireFox. And the look of webpages at other sites is also different then in IE.

Now when Firefox can show all types of content like IE then IE might be in trouble.[/url]
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GOOD DAY,

My problem is I cannot reply to anyone who send e-mail to my MICROSOFT OUTLOOK WEB ACCESS.

Can Mozilla solve my problem? this is the only problem and I want the solution, pls help

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Is not Microsoft's worst enemy Microsoft.

Is not providing slanted search results with MSN search like shoting themselfs in the foot.
http://www.ivor.it/goog/

And will not cutting off support for products inflict the internet and it's legitimate customer with even more viruses.
I would take that link with a grain of salt, the results show a little (and i mean a tiny bit) of correlation but absolutely zero causation. This is especially true when you look at the alternate word list that was given to him http://www.ivor.it/goog/tim/ where the difference is meaningless with some phrases having Google showing more IIS sites then MSN.
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Old 01-30-2005, 10:05 PM
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Reality Check!

Just because people who run Firefox websites
record high Firefox usage
, doesn't reflect
accurately what is really going on.

Want to make Internet Explorer more like Firefox?
Disable all the interactive content.

Personally, I like the interactive content.

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What does that mean? ActiveX = interactive?

ActiveX stands for everything that is wrong about proprietary technology. The sooner it dies a horrible death the better. I can't imagine any serious web developer using it on a project, unless they have full control over the user's computers as well.

Anyone looking ahead will develop according to standards, so as to be as browser compatible as possible. I'd like to see IE lose sufficient market share to avoid some of the nasty hacks necessary to work around its bugs, but that is the unfortunate reality. I don't see things changing a great deal, although I can see Firefox making huge inroads this year. My most optimistic guess: 30%.

My main reasons for using Firefox over IE (not that I would use IE anyway) are:

- security
- speed (enabling pipelining)
- text zoom
- tabbed browsing
- superior css implementation
- cross platform (IE has stopped developing for Mac)

I use it over Safari (most of the time) because of the extensions.

And what's this talk of Windows being the 'premier' OS? Obviously someone who hasn't ever bothered to even glance at OSX. Maybe the most dominant, but by no means the best available.

Currently typing in Firefox on a Mac :-)
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speed (enabling pipelining)
I just wanted to add that there is an extension that can do this with a GUI; just a little simpler for the masses.
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Are you guys serious? I have been using Firefox for a couple of years and you couldn't pay me enough to go back to IE. My Firefox can do things that IE will never be able to do. Not only is it more secure(according to the Homeland Security Agency), the extensions allow functionality that IE will never have. The thing I love with the extensions is that in most cases, when I install an extension, I know that I'm not going to have some large corporation alter some part of my computer in any way. I guess I just like more control over my internet experience and FF gives my that. I will put up with the other stuff. IE has many of their own quirks, its just that most people have adjusted to it. The funny thing is that most people don't even realize how much spyware that IE allows to be installed on their computers. I don't get any with FF. What is that worth? I think you guys need to open your minds a little. MS isn't always the best option. With OS'es at this moment - yes, e-mail - no, browser - no, office - yes, PIM - yes, networking - no, they aren't best at everything, people are only brainwashed to think they are. Is FF perfect - no, but they are the best option at this time. Who knows what happens in a year. IE could crush them or they could be a major player, only time will tell. If Google picks them up, watch out.
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It just hit me why you guys don't think much of FF. You downloaded FF and used it like you were using IE. That's like getting into a new car and using it like a car from 10 years ago. You would wonder where the window cranks are and would lock all the doors individually not realizing that these things are done electronically today.
IE is faster, maybe. When I open FF, I load 7 pages(multple homepages). How long does it take you to open 7 pages in IE? Search on Amazon? I can search from the built-in toolbar for Amazon or Ebay. When I get the results, I can look at 20 or more products without ever leaving the search result page(tabbed browsing). In IE, I have to go back and forth between the results page and each product I want to look at. If you just take the time to learn the advantages to FF, you will never go back to IE ever again. Even my 13 & 16 year olds who aren't very tech savvy would never go back to IE. Oh, and as far as security, not everyone has WindowsXP. I guess they aren't important enough to MS. My daughter uses a Win2000 machine and begged my to get FF back on because the spyware slowed her machine down to a halt. She got tired of running adaware before she could use her machine. Now she runs adaware about once a month.
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Internet Explorer 7 Announced

It may be simply an idea whose time has come. It may be that Firefox
is making enough noise to raise some eyebrows in Redmond. Either
way, it looks like IE7 is on its way.

Today at the RSA Security Conference in San Francisco, Bill Gates
announced plans for a new version of the world's most widely used
Internet browser. Experimental versions of Internet Explorer 7 are
expected to be ready for testing as early as this summer. The new
and improved IE is apparently being developed with security being
tops on the priority list. Measures to help users avoid 'Phishing'
scams, spyware and viruses are expected to addressed in full as
Gates pointed out that Microsoft has dedicated nearly $2 billion of
it's annual research and development budget on security.

While Internet Explorer still holds in excess of 90% of the browser
market share, the new Firefox browser continues to gain popularity
largely from veteran surfers seeking a higher level of security.
Some statistics show Firefox with as much as 5% of the browser
market. While 5% may be a far cry from IE's 90%, it represents one
of the strongest showings from a non IE browser in the past 10
years or so.

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IE 7 To Address Security Issues

Yesterday, Microsoft announced the upcoming update of their web
browser, Internet Explorer, which will be updated to 7.

Promising better security, IE 7 looks to address the number of
vulnerabilities contained by older versions of the browser. The new
version is expected to more effectively combat spyware, malware,
and phishing attacks.

According to Microsoft, "[Bill] Gates announced Internet Explorer
7.0, designed to add new levels of security to Windows XP SP2
while maintaining the level of extensibility and compatibility
that customers have come to expect. Internet Explorer 7.0 will
also provide even stronger defenses against phishing, malicious
software and spyware."

Expect IE 7 to arrive in beta testing format this summer.

http://www.webpronews.com/txt/ie7tasi.html

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No Internet Explorer 7 For Windows 2000

With the Internet universe buzzing about the upcoming Internet
Explorer 7 update, there may be news that can dampen the spirit.

According to PC Magazine, IE 7 will not be compatible with the
Windows 2000 environment. In fact, the only Windows users it will be
available are those with Windows XP Service Pack 2 installed. The
article also discusses how the company from Redmond may have been
inspired by Firefox's warm reception:

"But the news that IE 7.0 will be available only to Windows XP SP2
(Service Pack 2) customers isn't likely to sit well with security
experts who argue that the threat from the Firefox browser is at the
center of Microsoft's aggressive anti-spyware and anti-virus plans.

The percentage of Web surfers using Firefox has risen steadily since
June, but Microsoft officials are sidestepping the issue
altogether."

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Microsoft AntiSpyware To Remain Free

With the RSA Security Conference is going full-steam ahead, a number
of announcements and declarations have been made by the numerous
sponsors and keynotes appearing there.

One company in particular has been using RSA to showcase a number of
security innovations and updates which will be forthcoming. The
company is, of course, Microsoft. During RSA, the Redmond giant has
announced Internet Explorer 7, which will feature a number of
embedded security measures; as well as other improvements being
made to upcoming utilities.

One item of interest was Microsoft's first foray into fighting
spyware, Windows AntiSpyware. Since the beta release, many have
wondered whether or not the tool will remain a free utility, or is
Microsoft going to start charging for it. Thanks to Geek.com, the
concern about AntiSpyware remaining free has ceased.

According to their article, Bill Gates announced at RSA that
Windows AntiSpyware would remain a free tool. Because of the
surprising effectiveness of WAS and Microsoft's newfound passion for
eliminating spyware, allowing their tool to remain free is an
effective step in reducing the amount of malicious code contracted
by numerous users.

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Anti-trust Concerns Join Microsoft's Security Push

With the RSA Security Conference going strong this week, a number of
high-profile security companies used this venue to highlight upcoming
strategies and utilities.

Microsoft too used the conference to show the company's commitment to
security. A keynote given by Bill Gates discussed the recent Sybari
acquisition as well as the upcoming release of their anti-virus
software.

However, a recent article in Reuters looks at how a potential
operating system bundle that includes these tools could re-open old
anti-trust wounds. According to the article:

"If Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft ties its new anti-virus
software, expected out later this year, too closely to Windows or
prices it steeply below anti-virus software offered by vendors such
as McAfee Inc. and Symantec Corp., antitrust regulators could turn
their attention toward the company again.

"Aggressive entry into the established anti-virus market, especially
to the extent Microsoft bundles its solution into the operating
system, is almost certain to draw regulatory scrutiny, especially in
the EU (European Union)," Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. analyst Charles
Di Bona said in a recent note to clients."

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I'm with Chuck - FF won't replace IE until it can do a better job displaying web pages and speeds up. Too many funky page displays. Plus I lose my patience while waiting for the FF browser to start up. I've finished reading CNN in my IE browser by the time FF is ready to go.

I use a multi-tab IE based browser and I'm zipping around in no time flat - with no display problems on the sites I visit.

I *do* want firefox to do well, and I wish it suited me better, it's just not doing well enough for me to use as my default browser at this point.

And although today is a good day for FF and spyware/viruses/etc., the more widely used it gets - the more a target it will become and it won't be able to dodge those things at some point as bugs/viruses/parasites will be written specially for FF.
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...Heck, there are still a huge number of people using 800x600 on 15" CRT monitors that I have to deal with as a web designer, so I know that progress can be slow for the general public!
I have a 17-inch monitor, capable of using 1280 X 1024 graphics I believe, but I use 800 X 600 on my "Elements" Monitor because everything displays too small for me, even using the largest Icon-size setting, plus the other settings...Oh, the text is large enough, and web pages can be displayed ok, but things like playing cards for example, the card size is too tiny and on 800 X 600, the cards look "normal-sized."

If I switch the graphics to 800 X 600 to play cards, then switch back to 1280 X 1024, then things are all "messed up," meaning that I need to re-arrange what I had set up when using 1280 X 1024, so I "opt" to use 800 X 600 all of the time...Too bad that the games couldn't be set up to have like say the cards to look "normal-sized," when using 1280 X 1024 graphics.

Oh yes, with my ISP there's some "web space" there also, and there is a HTML code that allows the "viewed" web page to automatically "adjust" to your screen size...but I haven't used HTML for setting that up for a number of years, so I don't remember off-hand just what that "code" is.

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IE is in trouble and Microsoft hasn't done anything to change it. it opens several time with a "create a report". and it drove me to a point where i created a yahoo group to get people to post their story(ies) here's the link to it.:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PINHAT35/?yguid=68470707

tell me what you think?
I have no trouble with the IE browser itself, but there have been a few times, when using and/or opening/closing a few other programs, where the software program seems to slow way down, or I'll get the "not reponding" message and then I'd get the "send report?" message.

I have been using the Microsoft Anti-Spyware (Beta Version) program for a while and it too sometimes asks me whether I want to send a report to the Spynet, but I always do that too because this is after the program "finds" something on my system, like "Broadcast PC" for example, which was found on my system one time...which all of a sudden would open an IE window by itself, say to me that there was a "World-Wide" broadcast about to occur, and then would show some sort of "preview movie trailor," so that was "normal" for the program to do so.

I think that the IE asking you to "send a report" is almost like saying to "us" that the IE Browser, or explorer itself, is a "Beta Version," and that the "Bugs" are still being "worked out" so to speak.
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also, firefox has a hell of a lot more overhead than ie. it takes 2-3 times as long to load on my 2.4 p4 than ie does.
Well, the "load time" between starting/opening IE and starting/opening Firefox didn't seem to be much different on my 500 mHz AMD-K6, except of course it loads all of my "Favorites" for "Tab Browsing," which takes more time than loading one page in IE.

So, if you have alot of Favorites, then Firefox is loading in alot of web pages, because of the "Tab Browsing," which, once all of them are loaded in, is much faster to browse through over clicking on them one at a time in IE.

I used Firefox, and I liked it ok, but I noticed that my computer still needed to use IE for security updates and for other operations, so I went back to using IE...The extra features in Firefox, the plug-ins for example, were nice, but Firefox "resembled" IE enough to the point where I decided that I wasn't "impressed enough" to stay using Firefox.

My best friend, on the other hand, can't be "converted over" to using any other browser than Netscape, which is what he always uses and both the IE and Netscape browsers came with the operating systems that both he and I have had.

I have found however that in