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Old 01-03-2005, 06:10 PM
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we are in the business of ticket auctions and have been at the number one spot in EVERY search engine for ages, lately a bunch of ticket brokers who do not offer auctions have been doing ppc and natural optimization for our keywords... is there anything I can do about it?
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:10 PM
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The only thing you can really do is try to find a way to compete - bid higher for your keywords and/or start a massive link-building campaign. The web is a very competitive venue. Staying a step ahead is a never ending process.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:39 AM
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I dont mind staying a step ahead but they are doing it for a keyword and a market niche for which they do not even offer, is this fair/legal?
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Is it fair? It all depends on who you ask. Your competitors would say yes. Others would say no. But the question is moot because it is indeed legal.

Why not turn the tables on them and write a few killer articles on ticket brokering? Explain why (in your opinion) ticket buyers get better deals from ticket auctions than they receive from ticket brokers. Use those articles to introduce them to your services (you will have already explained why they're superior).

In short, go after their keywords...
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The only thing you can really do is try to find a way to compete - bid higher for your keywords and/or start a massive link-building campaign. The web is a very competitive venue. Staying a step ahead is a never ending process.
I Completely agree with this. I am currently working with a company that doesn't understand that using someone else's name to drive traffic to their site is find. Let's take the example of Select Comfort. I worked with a company that wanted rankings as well as a PPC campaign that targeted Select Comfort beds and mattresses. They weren't selling Select Comfort Products but selling another type of bed that cost less and was competing for business and quality. There was an article about the use of Trademarks in PPC Campaigns [url http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5190...fd.lede]Google plans trademark gambit[/url]. The newest ruling with Geico means that they are not legally responsible for any use of Trademarked names. This has been good in the sense that affiliates can use Trademarked names when they couldn't before.

To stay ahead of the game, you are going to have to look at what your competitors are doing. Obviously, your competitors have looked at what you have and are going after the same idea. Just make sure that you maintain your site and keep up with your SEO and your SEM and you should maintain great rankings. Certain aspects you should concentrate on are:

Internal Infrastructure - how well is your site linked? Are you using Alt Tags and Anchor text links? What are the spiders seeing first? Are they seeing content or are they getting a list of links first?

External Factors - how many links do you have and what quality are they? Are they within the same content of your site? Have you gotten your site in some of the more prominent directories? What type of anchor text and descriptions are you using when getting links back to yoru site?

Content - do you have any duplicate content? Is anyone copying your content or are you copying someone else's? Make sure that you are the only one out there with your content. Is your content broken up into main sections and then internally linked with those sections? Make sure that the main topic pages are the ones that are cross-linked with each other, and that similar topic pages under the main topic are linked only with their topic. (a graph would be better for this explanation)

PPC Campaigns - Bid on words that would work for you as well that may not be exactly your niche industry. Finding other keywords is important to drive targeted traffic, but also quality and qualified traffic. Explore other possibilities - don't be afraid to break out into other arenas.

Overall, if your competition is beating you out, find out what it is that You aren't doing, but they are, and be a copycat. In this industry, you can be a copycat (to SOME degree) becuase it is what will either give you what you want, or not.
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Why not turn the tables on them and write a few killer articles on ticket brokering? Explain why (in your opinion) ticket buyers get better deals from ticket auctions than they receive from ticket brokers. Use those articles to introduce them to your services (you will have already explained why they're superior).

In short, go after their keywords...
Indeed it's legal... Nothing is wrong with it.

I am sure there are many related and unrelated markets that will like your products/services too.
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Google supposedly has rules that govern the keywords/phrases that advertisers use.

I operate a niche company that has one gigantic player who spends hundres of thousands a month on Google. They regularly shoot down my keywords for not being content related while allowing my competitor to use keywords that are in no way related to what they do/offer.

Try letting someone at Google know what is happening. You may get them shut-off (for certain phrases)if you get lucky enough to find an editor who cares, that is unless they spend big bucks.

As far as the SEO issue goes that is the way of the WWW, out-do 'em.
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Our company is in a similar situation. We offer technology that processes online group hotel bookings at HotelPlanner.com. A lot of our competition uses group booking keywords and they do not offer that service. If you enter Hotel Planner as two words into Google you get sites unrelated to us, but HotelPlanner as one word has us first. Can anybody suggest how we can be first as Hotel Planner as two words?
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Can anybody suggest how we can be first as Hotel Planner as two words?
Get tons of high-quality links with "hotel planner" in the anchor text.
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thanks for the responses everybody, its pretty much what I figured, I am not to worried about losing the number one for now because I have anywhere between 100-55,000 incoming links with ticket auction in the text (depending on which lpc I use) but the idea of positioning articles on their keywords that compare our markets is an awesome idea, thanks.
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You may be able to dispute any Keywords being used that are related, or similar, to your Business name.

Other options may include: -

Just wait, there cash will soon run out. (Bidding more than them will use your budget)

Ask to exchange links and search PPC costs.

Use affiliated Marketing.

Use organic promotion; I guess you do this any way.
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our legal business name is ticket auction inc, so if they are optimizing for ticket auction it is optimizing for our business name, but does it matter that it is also our industry?
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