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Old 07-22-2004, 04:32 AM
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Default Your email was intercepted bcz it got a spam rating of 5.4

Well, It was a very much targeted business proposal but I had to validate my email to get it through the spam inspector.

Now I have a question:

1) Is there any tool avaialable to check the possible spam rating of your email message?

waiting for a little help from pros.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Your email was intercepted bcz it got a spam rating of 5

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Originally Posted by Touseef
Well, It was a very much targeted business proposal but I had to validate my email to get it through the spam inspector.

Now I have a question:

1) Is there any tool avaialable to check the possible spam rating of your email message?

waiting for a little help from pros.
Touseef,

Before responding to your question, are you talking about sending sending:

* individual unsolicited commercial email proposals,

* unsolicited bulk email, or

* solicited commercial email.

I look forward to hearing from you.

John

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Old 07-30-2004, 03:25 PM
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Take a look at Black List Monitor. Although it won't check your message for possible spam score what it does check is to see if you are already Black Listed. If you are on a Black List, ISP will check against these and not accept your email.

http://www.blacklistmonitor.com
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Old 07-30-2004, 03:38 PM
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I dont know how you define above terms. I have collected the addresses from a business directory and sent them one-to-one email. No Bulk email.

Can you pleasse tell where does this fall?
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Old 07-30-2004, 04:04 PM
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Take a look at Black List Monitor. Although it won't check your message for possible spam score what it does check is to see if you are already Black Listed. If you are on a Black List, ISP will check against these and not accept your email.

http://www.blacklistmonitor.com
Thanks fo rthe information.

I hav echecked my ips at spamcop and AOL and none of them were blacklisted. Is it one common black list or every major player has his own BL.
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Old 07-31-2004, 10:26 PM
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I dont know how you define above terms. I have collected the addresses from a business directory and sent them one-to-one email. No Bulk email.

Can you pleasse tell where does this fall?
Let me ask the questions this way.

Did any of the people who had a listing in the business directory give you express consent to send them an email?

Does the purpose of the email message include promoting or advertising a web site operated for a commercial purpose?

Are the people you are sending messages to located in the United States?

Keep in mind, you and I can debate what is meant by these terms, but the person who counts is the recipient.

And as far as the recipient is concerned, spam is any email I did not ask for and do not want.

Marketers may say, but that's not right. How can we deal with this? That's an arbitrary and subjective standard.

My point. As marketers, lets stop trying to persuade people their views are wrong.

Rather let's start living to a higher standard as marketers, recognizing our obligations, whether we are marketing to consumers or business people.

Turning to your second question, as to whether your the internet protocol address you use to send email is black listed, try DNS & Stuff.

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Old 08-01-2004, 04:15 AM
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Let me ask the questions this way.

Did any of the people who had a listing in the business directory give you express consent to send them an email?
Well, That is an animation business directory. When those studios added their detailes they already have given their consent to 'relevent' people to inquire about their service or discuss and co-production option. Don't you think so?

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Does the purpose of the email message include promoting or advertising a web site operated for a commercial purpose?

Are the people you are sending messages to located in the United States?
Yes

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Turning to your second question, as to whether your the internet protocol address you use to send email is black listed, try DNS & Stuff.
Any website address for it?
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Old 08-01-2004, 03:51 PM
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Let me ask the questions this way.

Did any of the people who had a listing in the business directory give you express consent to send them an email?
Well, That is an animation business directory. When those studios added their detailes they already have given their consent to 'relevent' people to inquire about their service or discuss and co-production option. Don't you think so?
Touseff,

On this point, we need to be careful in our presumptions.

I take it you want to market animation services to production houses. So the questions become:

* What are the general rules about sending commercial email?

As pointed out else where, in the US market place under the CAN SPAM Act of 2003 there is no concept of implied consent.

Implied consent means consent based on a business relationship or for example because someone did post their contact information on their website.

However, under the Act in sending commercial email, either you have "affirmative consent" or you are sending spam.

Having said this, if we are speaking of transaction or relationship messages, a different set of rules apply.

But, a transaction or relationship message is specifically defined under the Act. To have any application in your case there is the need for an existing relationship.

Unfortunately, you don't have an existing relationship with any of the people you are seeking to contact.

The Act outlines very limited categories. None of the listed categories apply to this situation.

* What are the terms and conditions of posting within the specific directory?

Does the directory say on the web site, businesses by posting on this web site are specifically seeking co-production proposals which visitors can send to the listed email address?

Doubt it. At best, if you go to a specific web site, there may be a form set up on the site allowing you to get in contact with the business with your proposal.

* What is the generally accepted practice within the specific industry on sending commercial proposals?

The general presumption is "any email I did not ask for and don't want is spam."

However, in the online marketing industry for example, the general presumption is "one off, specifically tailored messages to an individual within a company are not treated as spam."

Please note this is only a presumption. Also, keep in mind, by law you still have to comply with all of the prohibitions set out in the Act in sending commercial email.

I have no idea what the general practice is within the co-production industry. It would be prudent not to make any assumptions other than the general statement:

"Any email I did not ask for and don't want is spam."

* What are the acceptable use policies of the internet access service you are using to send the email message?

The ISP you use to send email may have an AUP prohibiting the use of their network to transmit unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited email.

If so, this means, unless you have "affirmative consent" you can't send the proposal by email.

As to checking whether you are blacklisted, Karen Fogerty has referenced an excellent commercial service.

http://www.blacklistmonitor.com

The benefit of this service? It does the checking for you automatically, so relieving you of the need to check yourself. If you are sending any amount of commercial email through your own mail server, or shared virtual webhost server, you will certainly want to consider using her service.

If this is not important, you can check DNS & Stuff found at:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/

The problem with using DNS & Stuff? If there are listings you need to check each individual service.

A lot of black lists are listed, many of which are individual in nature and are not relied upon by any of the major ISPs or mail box providers.

Also, unlike commercial services, every time you want to send email, you need to go back and do the checks.

So, if time is money, then consider a commercial service like Blacklist monitor. If money is tight, do it yourself.

Trusting this helps.

Kind regards,

John Glube
Toronto, Canada
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