Anyone old enough to remember Web 2.0?

Orion · #1 (**permalink**) 10-07-2007, 10:36 AM

Wasn't sure if this would be a 'breakroom' post or 'etrends'?

Does anyone out there, besides myself, remember the revolution of Web 2.0 that swept the globe when Marc Andreessen created the Mosaic browser allowing us the public to view graphics and multi-media online?...

That was called Web 2.0 and I remember the incredible surge it caused, it lasted right up into about 2000, 2001, we were still converting the old Web 1.0 (text only) information sites to graphical layouts.

I keep thinking the revolution with interaction brought about through the newer technologies of xhtml / css / ajax etc. should be referred to as Web 3.0?

Anyone else feel similarly? Anyone remember hand coding HTML before standards existed, and how horrible those new fangled WYSIWYG things were in the beginning? lol

kgun · #2 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:51 PM

My minimalistic definition:

HTML + URL + HTML browser = Web 1.0.

XML (family of technologies) + URI (IRI) + XML browser = Web 2.0.

Note:
The X in AJAX is XML.

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Orion · #3 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 10:41 PM

But Web 2.0 was a huge deal in 1993 with the addition of multimedia...

prior to that (1969 to 1993) was Web 1.0 SGML + URL + Browser.

Then with 1993 / Mosaic + HTML 1.0 allowed for inter-linking of pages, and embedding images this was widely purported as Web 2.0 with incredible hype which of course led to the Internet becoming a world wide public phenomena.

I keep thinking that what we now refer to as Web 2.0 (XML) really should be Web 3.0...

When I first started hearing Web 2.0 hype 3 or 4 years ago I was totally confused, had a client ask me if I could create a Web 2.0 website ( I was using xhtml / CSS tableless layouts already) I told them that ya I could but why would they want to use 10 year old code on a new site? lol...

So if 1993 to 2003 was Web 1.0 what was 1969 to 1993 then?

kgun · #4 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 07:29 AM

XML is a subset of SGML that was found to bee to complicated / complex.

The start of Internet + WWW? The start of WWW1 and internet1, in sum Web 1.0?

May be web 3.0 will emerge around Internet2 technologies?

After all, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 are only numbers. I see the differnece between HTML and XML so fundamental that it is natural for me personally to talk about a new version.

An anlternativ definition would be

Web 1.0 = HTML + HTML browser + ...

Web 2.0 = XHTML + XHTML browser + ...

Web 3.0 = XML + XML browser + ...

As told above, SGML in its native form did not get any popularity and it seems that the model is out as a general encompassing model for the developement of web sites.

craigmn3 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 06:24 PM

I remember using gopher servers to pull text files off of university servers, that was the web. Then this www thing came along...what a hurrah that was. Little did we know that small potatoes would run into such big business. hats off to all you developer guys

Veikoh · #6 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 06:45 PM

You technology guys only here thinking about the technology. Web 2.0 is defined as social networking era on LinkedId, blogs, Flicker and other Web 2.0 sites.
Being involved to develop Internet since 1993 (I worked for Sience Academy) and later was involved developing lot of Internet standards like first HTML browsers for Netscape, Search Engine algorithms for Inktomi, etc we had clear goals.
We needed HTML to publish and link documents which could be immediatly available for community rather than sending printed publications.
We had news protocol (currently abandoned) to subscibe and participate in group discussions.
As the number of information started to grow, we had need to develop search engines to find proper information.
Those where the days, that we even had our own Satellite Disch to connect to the Internet as telcos where not supporting IP protocol.
But somehow between 1999-2006 everything changed. Internet was taken over by Scam Artists, SPAM, Get Quickly Rich Schemes, multinatinational telecommunication and media companies.
This generated new professions, like SEO, SEM, Web Designer, PPC specialist, call centers for telecoms to handle huge amount of unsatisfied novice customers, etc.
Web 2.0 is just putting Internet back to his roots.

bj · #7 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 07:28 PM

I've been designing since the tag soup and tables days. Used to write code in notepad until I discovered Dreamweaver 2.

Orion · #8 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Veikoh Web Designer was around since 1993, I graduated a 2 yr college program in 1997 for Web Design (double major as Web Master)...

The entire Search Engine game did start happening around the 1999-2000 year though that is definite, and not always for the better.

Haha BJ... we both honed are teeth on the same version of DW!... I played a bit with Front Page and Front Page express thought it was great till I brought up a page I did with it in Netscape! (Start/Control panel/Add Remove programs) lol... There were a few others out there that really raised an eyebrow (still are I think)..

bj · #9 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:34 PM

Funny thing is that one of the very first sites I ever put together commercially with DW2 is still up and running and making dough for its owner. I keep pestering him to let me update him but he doesn't wanna mess with success.

Veikoh · #10 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:46 PM

The entire Search Engine game did start happening around the 1999-2000 year though that is definite, and not always for the better.

Correction. Search Engine started as Academic Inktomi project 1996 or 1997. Later it become as a public company which aquired so many times. But the basic code is still the same what we wrote on those days in any of current brands. Google have added lot of new functionalities actually like Page Rank, XML based search for sitemaps and RSS, using <category> tag. But crawler to basic HTML website works same way as we wrote on those days. It's stores each tag in separate database column that he finds from the site. That's why all H, B, A are all still important.

Veiko

ronchalice · #11 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 10:04 PM

I worked with Al Gore when he "invented" the internet --- har har --.

In real-life I'm a newbie. Only been at it since '95. My first project was a touch screen site that integrated city, state, local, and federal services into a single point of contact.

whew!
B^)

operagost · #12 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion

But Web 2.0 was a huge deal in 1993 with the addition of multimedia...

prior to that (1969 to 1993) was Web 1.0 SGML + URL + Browser.

Sooo... what web browser were you using in 1969, again? Mosaic 0.0001, Neil Armstrong edition?

Quote:

So if 1993 to 2003 was Web 1.0 what was 1969 to 1993 then?

Pre-web Internet?

tamecrow · #13 (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 03:53 AM

I started out on good ol' Expage (anyone remember that?) which must have been around 95/96. Then moved on to Frontpage Express around 98 and Dreamweaver/handcoding in Topstyle from then on. SEO came along a couple of years later and here I am