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Old 10-09-2007, 05:26 PM
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How a Search Engine Suicides?

By Erkan Meydanlioglu,Mr
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Year 2007 is the golden age of all major search engines as recent years, industry raised with gains and high revenue with web business owners ads spendings. Every job or project boards are full with SEO or SEM anounncements either permanent or temporary. Everything seems fine else than the search engines themselves, let me report what is happening on their side.

How Yahoo is knock out?
A directory based search giant has totally failed with their algorithm problems in 2007. I never expect this much problems they would have on their technical progress. Yahoo has created a tool as Site Explorer to help webmasters. A tool to track your website if indexed with all URLs, I have to announce that the "useless tool of search industry" You can not see and statistics , you can not see the search quairies, just number of indexed URLs. If you have time please take a look their Feedback pages, all webmasters are complaining about none indexed, partially indexed or lost from Yahoo. These kinds of feedbacks give you an opinion about insufficient quality on their algorithm. Its is said indexing may take up to weeks, why then? Also after indexed why some URLs may drop from the index in time. Why indexed pages,just indexed but do not listed in search results? These points are deadly mistakes for a search engine. On the other hand their customer service is in a mess as always. Somebody must tell Yahoo Client Service to solve the problem instead of sending satisfaction surveys.
Obligation to mention that Yahoo Paid Directory clients are listed at the top placement when a search is conducted, this is absolutely not fair to non paid website owners. This is another reason, Yahoo Search is loosing market share because web users know that Yahoo will list not deserved ones, paid ones at the top.
Is Google Trying to suicide?
Undobtful search leader is Google, everbody knows this. I like Google because its easy to conduct a search, its white and results are mostly trusthworty.On webmaster's side their sitemap tool is useful and containing good features to analyse visitors combined search quaries either. Not need to talk about Google Analytics, thats wonderful about web statistics. However Google's Quality Guidelines are really exaggerated on some points. They are undertaking more mess than they may imangine with this rule, Buying or Selling Links is not permitted and Google asks webmasters to report Link Buyer and Seller sites. In my professional opinion this will not help to increase search quality but face Google serious problems in future. Lets go deeper on Buying and Selling Links.
-What will Google do if I report my competitors as Link Buyers? As all top listed websites buy quality links , what will Google do? Will Google decrease their placement?
-What about paid directories? Are they defined as Link Sellers as well? If so, what do you think to do about Yahoo Paid Directory clients? Will you classify Microsoft Business Center as Link Seller too?
-What will text link Sellers do ? If you prohibit link buying, they will loose their jobs or bankrupt in mid or long term. Google has to motivate industry development, not try to kill. As an economist, I advice Google Managers not to shoot their own feet as webmasters and web business owners are their raw material or capital.
Ladies and Gentlemen, search guality can not be increased by motivating people to report their opponents, it was in wild west times, not today. Instead of wasting you time, you may progress your algorithm to filter unrelevant results. I know your algorithm is the best for now but reporting method is not gentle. Otherwise this may be a reason loosing your popularity which means dead for a search engine. I dont want your future to be like Lycos.

How is young MSN Live?
Microsoft is an impressive company, their new baby seems growing but Live's search quality is really low now. When you search a quary, Live lists unrelevant results most in 3 major search engines. On the webmaster side , they still not have a sitemap submission interface and not feature to track our stats. Maybe you havent time to develop a tool for these while working on algorithm but this is really important for webmasters.
I m testing search quality of search engines when I have time, most quality search results are listed as 1)Google 2)Yahoo 3)Live
A simple search quality test, do it yourself search with phrase "Buy Online" Which search engine has least "Buy Online Viagra" in his results, that engine has the better algorithm.


About the Writer: Mr. Erkan Meydanlioglu has a degree in Economics and professional Online Marketing Manager , Google Certified Professional and Team Leader for more than 10 years. He is managing corporate online campaigns as individual or as team manager in Europe. Training company level marketing teams to increase esales and running on Online Marketing Services from Online Marketing Senior Manager
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Old 10-10-2007, 11:48 AM
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i've never thought that SE can suffer it's sudden death well it's up to the site visitors whether or not the SE's will still lives
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:29 PM
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Obligation to mention that Yahoo Paid Directory clients are listed at the top placement when a search is conducted, this is absolutely not fair to non paid website owners.
Basically what you're saying is that its fair for you to freeload for an advertising system others are paying for?

If your business plan relies on the affirmative actions of third parties that have no direct stake in your success, you should seriously re-evaluate your plan.

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This is another reason, Yahoo Search is loosing market share because web users know that Yahoo will list not deserved ones, paid ones at the top.
Actually most people I speak to have no concept how google/yahoo/msn are earning money and could care less. Doesn't the Coase theorem dictate that resources will flow to those who most value them? (or something like that) - The fact that a website owner would pay for placement is indicative that the website itself is relevant for the keywords its willing to pay for. No matter how good the algorithm might be, its no substitute for humans who are capable of a more subjective analysis. If a website owner is paying for placement and was not relevant eventually the cost of the ad would exceed revenues and the ad would be dropped.
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Mr. Erkan Meydanlioglu makes very valid points. His observations are correct.

Going after link sellers is like going out and killing the whole segment of industry that has developed around the concept of link selling.

IMO: There is a very fine line between link farms (all the bad folks) and the good genuine webmasters.

I can assure you that many people who have websites are not aware of the information that is available to us as webmasters, example the use of nofollow tags.

How many websites you have visited that put up banners on their websites but do not use nofollow. I can tell you that only a very small segment of people use them.

So basically, Google is not helping the industry, but rather damaging the webmasters.

I would'nt be surprised if someone jumps off a building because he / she loses his job because of this update.
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he's talking about yahoo though....
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Default Re: How a Search Engine Suicides?

Isn't it great to read an article that was submitted to tons of sites?

"Year 2007 is the golden age of all major search engines as recent years" - Google Search

How likely will it be that the author will actually reply
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A simple search quality test, do it yourself search with phrase "Buy Online" Which search engine has least "Buy Online Viagra" in his results, that engine has the better algorithm.
Wow. That means the search engine I use on my site has a better algorithm than the market leaders: 250 pages and no Viagra.
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Default Re: How a Search Engine Suicides?

Google says - No results found for "Hang sits elf".
but didn't say - do you mean "Hangs it self"

Have I just invented a new waste of time and bandwidth?
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