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Hey, he's just reporting what was recomended by the "experts"...
I too, take issues with a number of things that were said, with the 250 word limit being one of the more glaring things. But I have to admit that that limitation is not going to "hurt" a site, but just put undo limitation on it. But it seems like most of what we have in the SEO industry is either some expert's opinion, someone reporting what they thought an expert said, or "guidelines" which is not hard and fast information. I'm not an expert, but I do have some experience is certain aspects of SEO so I will share this information that was accurate about 6 months ago. I have a site that has about 1,800 pages of different sized HTML that run as large as 500k-600k each (gasp!). Since the content of each page; and across all pages was virtually unique, I was in a special position to conduct some analysis of what was and what was not getting indexed, and this is what I found: By looking for short unique strings in the pages, and seeing at what point I could no longer locate them via search, I was able to ascertain that Google would index up to about 90k of page content before choking. I was not able to locate anything in a page beyond that point. So to facilatate Goog's small stomach, I broke up most the pages so they were about 100k or less. What was VERY interesting to me was that I did NOT see this limitation at Yahoo! I can't remember what the largest file was that I tested, but Yahoo seemed to have no problem with at least 200k-300k pages. Now, I will admit that this site is anything but normal(of course...) in that the content is has an ultra-low keyword density, aside from the keyword-stuffing in the meta tags. If you took normal content and had pages as large as these, the results might be different. If anyone would like to check this out, please contact me for the site URL (no advertising) and you can test it out for yourself. The site's content is about 6.7 million expired domain names, all in HTML pages and makes a pretty nifty test bed for this kind of thing. |
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I would like to see some back up to that as well.
I do some consulting on conversion optimization and I always suggest the pages be 200 to 300 words, as to not overwhelm visitors. We have to get them to read it if we want to convert. |
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I had believed 250 to be extremely low as well.
I believe a WPW poster did a 9 month test on "I love tacos" ? I believe it was member - EliteSkills If I recall correctly he had found higher rankings with his higher total word count pages, ending at perhaps it was 1000? Either way, the number seems very low. And agreeing with your point most is re-gurgled hear-say in SEO forums, and aside from personal experience I dont take anything as law. Of course an expert opinion is as good as the expert is in the viewers eyes, so of course your examples are strong opinions of skilled observers.
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Neither Heather nor I have EVER said don't go over 250 words per page as that would just be dumb! Heather did mention that 250 words works well for her, but that's all she said regarding that number. There are other things posted here that I take exception with and don't believe were said in our session. For instance: Quote:
Please note that there are NO absolutes in SEO, which is why you can't simply post list of do's and don'ts like are in this thread. We did not post any do's and don'ts in the session, for that very reason. Another one that was not said (at least not by me and I'm pretty sure not by Heather): Quote:
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Please, when reporting on a session, then report on a session...it's really not fair to add your own thoughts into your report, which were not necessarily touched upon in the session, because it makes it appear as if the speakers said it. And even though it may be your understanding that you should do something a certain way, it isn't necessarily the speaker's way of doing things (if it was, they would have said it). Hope this helps clear things up a bit regarding this session. |
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My apologies to anyone for misrepresenting. The flurry of notes flying my way from the conference and the relative difficulty of communicating directly may have skewed some things or caused me to misinterpret Chris' notes. I didn't judge anything I received, just reported at face value. Again, sorry if you were misled.
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SEO is the process of testing. SES to me, was all built around testing...
Theories are built on failure. Bruce Clay uses well over 250 words of copy and he is sitting pretty on the first page. The idea is to work around the user. Create copy that engages the user. If you are good enough to keep a user on your page with 500 words, then you have accomplished your goal. I have found that I can do this with 250-300 words of copy. Some may have other ideas- This is all a test............. |
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Thanks for the clarification. I've always shot for a minimum of 250 words per page with a maximum of around 800 when possible. The maximum was usability, the minimum SEO. I had this flash of fear that I'd be spending the rest of my summer redoing thousands of pages!!! :-)
Now I can relax and work on current projects. JM
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