According to a Nielsen//Netratings study, Google holds the top spot for search engine destinations. However, if you take a closer look at N//N’s findings, you see that Yahoo and MSN share the second and third positions, respectively. Because MSN search is still using Overture to serve their search results more people are vicariously using the Yahoo method of search than they do Google.

What search results do you prefer or find more relevant? Yahoo/Overture or Google?

To most in the search industry, it is common knowledge that Google values “off-page” optimization (backlinks, in-bound links), while Yahoo seems to prefer on-page optimization (title tags, keyword density). Although there are some indications that Yahoo is placing more value on links.

This topic of search engine preference has been discussed extensively. In this WebProWorld forum thread, a comment about using both engines equally and receiving satisfactory results was made, leading to a discussion about the relevancy of Google’s results. Poster Downstrike had these thoughts:

“Time was - and it was quite some time - Google was the best place to do most any search. The kind of people who send spam to our Inboxes quickly realized that sending spam to our search results was even better.

[In this regard,] Google's reaction [has been similar to] email networks trying to filter out virus messages. For several months earlier this year, they were filtering out more legitimate emails with attachments than viruses… If you want to see all of the best results, you'll need to get a second opinion. In your case, it's Yahoo.”

Several forum participants share Strike’s opinion with comments like; “Google is slowly dropping the ball” and “I agree that Google is not the same it used to be”.

Yahoo’s results didn’t necessarily receive the highest marks either. On ihelpyou, moderator Chrishirst said, “IMO, Yahoo results seem to be more about the $$$ than relevancy and notably the same site doesn't even appear in the first couple of hundred results at Google.” If you take a quick scan of the SEO forums, the Yahoo categories are littered with topics like, “I’ve just lost all my Yahoo listings. Please help.” These situations indicate that each engine still has some growing pains to work through.

Which set of results do you find more useful? In the WebProWorld discussion, Venividi summed the state of search results quite nicely, “Normal sites are buried deep beyond the first 6 to 10 pages. Google and Yahoo have become a list of portals and other search engines, which is really a waste of time.”

To be fair, Google results aren’t the only ones being taken to task. In a post on WebmasterWorld, Isitreal offered a scathing evaluation of search engine users, “Who uses Yahoo/MSN? People who don't change their default browser search settings. IE is set to MSN. Yahoo website users [use Yahoo search], and that portal [has] heavy traffic… People who know nothing about search engines, and just [search with] what they're used to.”

Another poster on WebProWorld defends Google, saying, “Until MSN and Yahoo can update their results daily (like Google does) they will not compare to the big G.” However, the point made about results updating is disputed in the HighRankings forum, where Semko says, “Yahoo search results are very dynamic, they get updated nearly every second, as tons of info are constantly added to Yahoo.” The truth undoubtedly lies somewhere in between.

With the increased search engine bot activity Google and Yahoo may be trying to streamline their indexes in order to root out spam and provide more relevant results. In the end, it comes down to preference. The search engine gives you the results you are looking for, no matter your level of experience, is likely to be the one you use.

The question remains, which engine gives you these results?

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I used to use Google exclusively. However, lately too many searches have come up with the first page all sites with nothing but a list of text links with people's or companies' names and no relevant information. I am starting to use Yahoo more and more.

With Google, if I am looking for site in Oregon and include that in the first two search terms, I can get another state in the first three results. How relevant is that? It's frustrating!

I have returned to my old favorite Yahoo in the past year. Mostly for some of the non web search features and that I spend most of my life working Google's ever moving target for my business.

A site that I've recently completed for a client - ToffeeDelight.com - is still not showing up in Google - I've optimized for keywords and relevancy - and watch my logs for crawlers - in putting in Toffee Delight in Yahoo - it comes up second - which I consider to be a relevant search - Toffee Delight would not be a common search term - Google of course, "knows" it's there toffeedelight - results in www.toffeedelight.com - no information - My client was upset because after 1 month google hadn't indexed it -- I didn't even see where the Yahoo robot visited the site - but Inktomi Slurp, AskJeeves, and multiple "unknowns" have been there - that makes Yahoo better in my book - I hate scrolling through all the "affiliate links" and pages "optimized" with irrelevant keywords - Yahoo used to be my engine and I'm going back - bet I'll find what i want much faster :) (I DID submit to Google as well)

I find that any search engine finds what it is looking for.
In my 1 year of webpage optimization, I have found that with all search engines, page content and outbound links are more relevant than inbound links. Anyone can linkfarm, just like banner farm. The links are totally irrelevant. Use any search engine to search for the third most researched term "find someone for free anywhere in the world". You will always find one of my sites at nr1. This search term was just my choice. I can do it with any search engine for any search term. To me it is just a hobby for amusemant purposes only. It must really annoy people who are wanting to make big bucks from other people.
I can hit nr1 on google within 1 hour. Try me and see how it works!!

i think i will go with Moonwind , i experience the same sort of problem alot of times in google.In earlier days i never even bothered to look up the next search result pages but now i do have to look at them as well sometimes cause the most relevant results sometimes are lying there, simply because other sites arent linking to them enough, quite unfair i think.

So sometimes i turn to Yahoo for my searches,although my homepage is set to google.

Me too... Yahoo...

I find that Google's not providing the best results anymore, and I'm seeing too much garbage before the relevant links appear...
Yahoo seems to have a better algorithm.. maybe that's why Google keeps changing theirs? Yahoo's results seem to be more targeted... I also like the little "open new window" icons, so I don't have to hit my back button to get back to my results again...

Is this because of the paid inclusion? Do those sites that pay for inclusion actually make the results better?

So I guess the ??? is whether your se of choice is looking for what you are asking it to look for...

I mean really, I do search for a living, still use google at least as much as all the other se's combined... but thank goodness there are alternatives to the big "G" because its been a *&^%# of a long time since I could rely on google results alone (google serps are littered with spam, affiliate sites, commercial "buy now" crap sites when i want real information, and sites that have *&^%# all to do with my query because some jack ass thought there was some real advantage to bringing his site up for terms that had nothing to do with anything about his site - man i hate it when that happens!)

You may have something here. Like many, i put great emphasis on an abundance of quality content (generally well themed within a single domain), but unlike many who post, i also put great emphasis on my out going links.

But you can't be serious when you say that "with all search engines, outbound links are more relevant than inbound links". Can you please elaborate...

As for your comment that anyone can "link farm" and that the links are totally irrelevant... well of course links from a "link farm" are worse than irrelevant, they'll off topic most of the time and they'll get you the kind of se attention you don't want... something anyone in seo should understands, and if they don't then they are in the wrong business. I don't think that anyone was suggesting the use of "link farms" as a means of building link popularity or PR.

Wow, what arrogance!

Just a hobby for amusement purposes? Then you need a new hobby. I mean really, i like my job and i enjoy the challenge, but its hard bloody work and i can't imagine someone doing it as a hobby... less they didn't have a life.

This i gotta see... ha ha!


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PS... Where did you get the idea that "find someone for free anywhere in the world" is the third most searched term.... Google turned up a whole 6 results for the query... ???

Man, now that's some competitive term to be optimizing for isn't it... good job artemist!

How many of those six sites where yours again.... lol

This is an article I read back in march which is very informative and brought me up to speed on some of Yahoo's major changes.

Yahoo! has announced it is dropping Google as its search engine and is going to crawl the web to provide its own search results. This is being cast as a competition and, of course, it is. It is also a crucial step in making the internet even more useful. If Yahoo! is ambitious, this may be the moment when the real power of the net is multiplied.
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So don't use it except as a back up.

No bloody kidding. It's true that Google has lots a stuff in their index, but what good is it when so much of it is irrelevant garbage... it's like satalite tv... hundreds of channels of crap on the tube instead of just a few...

Ya ya, Ya-hoooo! is great which says lots for the way it was back in the good old days... lol

There are lots of good alternative se's out there, and apparently more every day (picked up new one right here today), and lets face it, who care if they don't have 6 billion pages in their index so long as what they do have is relative to your query... right?

With so many alternative choices out there, maybe we ought to break the "G" spot habit and support some of the new kids on the block.

Stretch Dog has left the building....

Cheers stretch dog!
So, I'm not losing my mind! :)

well, so much for Google's new algorithm, and Yahoo's fees... least the results are better.

I find it difficult to believe any one can say Google outs out relevant results today.

For a year I was in the number one spot in Google for my search term. (graphic design sarasota) Then about 8 months ago I was totally dropped from the term, not from the index, just the term. Google could not give me a valid reason for this. Then I showed up around position 500.

For that same time I had also climbed to the top three or four in every search engine out there. Today I am still at the top of every search engine but those who use Google.

After eight months of redesign and reoptimization I have fought my way back to around 250 in Google. Even for the term "unified graphic design" and "unified graphic design sarasota" I don't show up for a few pages. what could possibly be more relevant for the term "unified graphic design" than a website with that exact URL?

My opinion? Google did something to their algorithms to make corporate investors happy and screwed it up for the little guys. I don't use them hardly at all anymore and will take any chance I can to bash them.

Give me Yahoo, Teoma, or info.com anyday.

I still use Google but am also swinging towards Yahoo now.

Tested it and Yahoo gave me better results. So I reckon in time Google will realize they made a mistake somewhere and do something.

Maybe the second bot they are sending out now causing so much discussion in these forums is just doing that - I also tend to think they are rebuilding something.

If the search engines cannot render relevant results, there is no use using them so they will definitely loose their market share in time which will not impress their investors.

So I hope they do something soon as I always liked the Google engine.

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The problem is the amount of mega catch-all directories sitting at the top of the SERPs in Google. From a personal search point of view I absolutely hate this. I've searched for something, I don't expect to have to search again (and in some cases again, when the search throws up a directory of directories).

But that's just my whinge. I don't agree with posters who see a conspiracy in this (though I don't blame you for seeing it), my feeling is that Google has taken its corporate eye off the ball, simple as that.

I'm not terribly disappointed 'cause I never liked the 'idea' of Google in the first place. Some sort of hip, counter-culture, groovy organisation.

"started up by two students, don't you know"

"a really cool place to work"

"they don't care about the money", etc. ad infinitum.

Well you could have fooled me, an SE that was (note the tense) a lifestyle choice, revolting idea.

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Hi,
I no longer bother with Yahoo or Google for searches.
I find IX Quick Meta Search far better:
http://ixquick.com/

It searches multiple engines and only supplies the most relevant listings.
Generally you will only see around 30 websites relevant to your search as opposed to thousands or even millions on Yahoo or Google.

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It is very clear to me that somehow, somewhere in the vast depth of Google's PhDs doing engineering on search algorithms, something significant has changed for the worst.

I started noticing it about 1 year ago and since that time the Google results have been getting oddly different. I can't quite pin it down - is it page rank? results? quality of links?

I'm glad to see that others have noticed as well. I have started mentioning this to my friends and clients and they are agreeing with me. I have changed all of my home page searches back to Yahoo and currently love the results.

I'm sad because I thought Google was the greatest for so many years.

Most of my sites always ranked #1 in Google, basically they are official hotel sites but lately Google seems to have lost it tracks. What is it happening to Google?

Example: searching for: bellsouth - Bellsouth webiste http://www.bellsouth.com should come first and IT DOES. The same apply when you search major companies such as Coca-Cola, HP, Pepsi-Cola, GM... (no text or keyword density), they all come up in first. My question is: why small websites do not show up in first place when the web address matches 100% with the searching string? why? And why the big guys do? In order for medium and small websites to show, we must have lost of text, back links, keyword density and just GOD knows what else? I always believed that the search engine was created to help ME and YOU find things easier and better....ARE
GOOGLE MISSING THE WHOLE POINT OF SEARCHING??????

I read all the time that in order to rank within the top or sometimes to even been listed in Google you need to follow some recommendations, such as: keyword density, meta tag, back links, "good context"..."don't do this", don't do that"...in my opinion, Google doesn't know what it is doing, now more than ever and I will explain why.

If I go to Google and search for BEACHES AROUND THE WORLD, I expect to see results of beaches around the world and NO mountains around the world. So, based on this, if I go to Google and search for pants, I expect to see pants and not skirts but not in Google. Another example, everybody knows the difference between hotel brands, 4 stars, 5 stars, limited service...: Holiday Inn, Days Inn, Hampton Inn, Hilton, Hyatt...right? Yes but Google DOESN'T.
In my opinion I consider a good website a website that will provide the information which I requested, if good contents, strong keyword densidy, no dead links, no advertising, no non-sense links...my time is valuable and I don't want to waste it.

But if you go to Google and search for Hampton Inn & Suites Tallahassee, I will expect to see results within the Hampton Inn or Hampton Inn & Suites hotels, WELL NOT IN GOOGLE, I got everything else just ONE HAMPTON INN, believe me I got QUALITY INN, MICROTEL ?!?!, BEST WESTERN...uuuhhhh, at least all in Tallahassee, oh nooooooo, SAN FRANCISCO?!?! Is that a little too far away from Florida?!?!?
Do you unsderstand what I mean?....Do you understand now?....

Try the same search in Yahoo and you will see the results....most of all Hampton Inns and Hampton Inns & Suites, all in Tallahasee or at least in Florida...GOOD YAHOO!!!

Don't waste anytime with Google, MOVE ON, go to YAHOO....incentive the good guys, we are the users, we have the power, WE MAKE what they are and if they don't care just move on and make Yahoo the best.

Sorry to drop this long text but for the past year I am SICK of GOOGLE!!!

Tks, Carla

I have always used YAHOO over GOOGLE. Hotbot used to be my favorite until they got messed up in GOOGLE.
I just seem to get better results when searching for the type of information that I am looking for with Yahoo.

Another plus is Yahoo keeps pages in Cache which allows me to check out articles that may be out of date with GOOGLE. That to me is a plus since it allows for a different layer of research.

As far as, getting my clients to the top of the pile in search engines, I always have more success with Yahoo than Google. I for one don't have the time to get my client's pages linked at other company websites, just so GOOGLE can move them up the list.

Yahoo is NUMBER ONE in my BOOK. My company page is located at www.productivityresources.biz

I have always received more hits trough Google than Yahoo. This year my site has gone from page 2 to page 6 then to page 1 and now to page 2 and all this with hardly or if any optimisation.

I am making less money with Google now then last year, but it is still OK considering my site is hosted on a free server and has a Pagerank of 3 and I have not realy done and SEO lately apart from some link exchange.

The funny thing is the Keyword "sydney hotels" gives me a search ranking on the second page Pos. #11 on both Yahoo and Google. I get 3 times more hits from Google than Yahoo.

Yahoo vs Google?

Relevance vs Money?

I pick Money thank you.

Time and again Google vs Yahoo! comparision is made with much statistics to prove one's point. But is there any standard measuring yardstick used by the both all the time. Time changes, demand increases; both for their own survival and ofcourse to beat the competition, go on change every rule they framed for their optimization.

But where the difference begin? Ere, it is all $$$$$. Because of such a vast dBase, Google pulls more money than the Second in rank. Just each display of results bring them more ads than they earn through their own banner ads.

A day is not too far, Yahoo might come closer to the Number one; Yet, I feel, Google's position not going to be challenged, atleast for now.

Where in I get 3rd & 4th position in Google, among 2000 plus sites, Yahoo! lists me as Number Uno. But herein the total number of listing counts around 25% less than that of Google.

One more interesting question. If more than one million sites are listed, does anyone think that every Searcher will browse through all the pages listed in the SEs?

To be honest, I tried for specific key word and found listing more than 1,000,000 entries. Out of curiosity, I tried to browse thru about twenty pages, and the links goes automatically cut. Despite my repeated attempts and trials, this was happening with Google only.

So what is the use one's listing beyond a specific limitation!

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I have use Google, Yahoo, Excite, Alta Vista, etc.

With regards to the discussion here, the key difference is the user-friendliness, presentation and search methodology used.

Nowadays,I prefer using iBoogie. Check out http://www.iboogie.com for a feel. The key with this search engine is its ease of use and the key point for me which is the organisation to sub-folders for quick search as against results in Yahoo & Google if results are not in the first page, it can get very trying. iBoogie uses as base existing search engines and organise the results.

Another search that uses the similar idea of sub-organisation is Clusty at http://www.clusty.com

Check these out and if the results are better. I personally prefer iBoogie now - its fast and the folders are intuitive for quick search.



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Some SEOs lose their objectivity to the extent that when asked which engine gives you the results you are looking for, they reply in terms of which one they've had success SEOing for.

It's understandable that if you get good results in G you're going to have a certain fondness/gratitude for G. Take a deep breath and let SEO go for a moment. As a search engine *user* which do you prefer?

I have to say that I find most search engines leave a great deal to desire at the moment. There are too many directories showing up in SERPS. Too many dupe content sites (some affiliates and some blatant multi-domain spam).

Yahoo does seem slow to take things on board and to update the SERPs comprehensively, whereas Google seems to be getting increasing ly random in many aspects of its behaviour.

I admit that I rarely search outside of G and Y, but I do tend to search *both* of these rather than just one or the other.

I am monitoring both google and yahoo for my search terms for past 6 months. Some of my conclusions would be that Google is changing their search results on almost daily basis, while I havent seen some major changes in Yahoo since ive started to follow search results. Yahoo is pretty big pain in the *** for me since there is no way, no matter what i do with my site (SEO, updates, adding quality content, adding new pages), to get among first ten SERP, we are just plain stuck on #22. My vote goes to Google, not because of my positions, but because of constant improving and work. Yahoo is slooow with updates, and multiple listings just doesnt bother them. I have a competitor there which is on third AND fifth position. Another one is on second and 15th position. Such things doesnt happen in Google.

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I have been using Yahoo & Google simultaneously to check where my site stands and find that both are into stiff competitions these days! One day you find Google is pretty fine and another day, you see Yahoo changes its search results to Beta search with much added xml.rss feeds of the Searched site and also allowing to add the feeds to its 'My Yahoo' feature. Since my website www.mjakbar.org went for a server start, I found that the Yahoo robots scrawled and the site with keyword 'asian age, m.j.akbar' or even just keyword 'm.j.akbar' which reflected on top one, topples down as main page shows 403 error. Now once my server is set again, I have to see where I stand! Moreover, one got to update and upload the page every day for best results. I don't agree daemon61's post that Yahoo is a big pain but contrary find that yahoo is gradually providing great facilities as well by allowing to save the search results, forwarding to friend and even blocking the unwanted search results! Google sure does show results but no major changes except it has its own great features of Google advertising with google adwords, adsense, Business solutions with adsense, web search, wireless etc and its language/country search results. Even its froogle is great to find the search results and if one is an amazon associate, it leads to the books you recommend.

Hence, I think that as far as there is competition who vs who, let it be! Afterall its like a game who wins and tops! Enjoy the Yahoo vs Google Competition and win the rewards.

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When I said that Yahoo is pain, i meant on SEOing, which doesnt have any effect on my search result position even after 6 months, and on duplicate listings among first 10 SERPs. Perhaps this is not common in other searches, but it gives me headaches, I just dont know anymore how to show to Yahoo that my site is more relevant with daily updates and constant expansion of content than site that hasnt been updated in years (!!!) and has doorway pages. Btw, I think this is a wrong place to discuss about this?:)

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I agree that G values off-page seo over on-page, but on-page is still very important. I started to seo a site before taking over its design. More ibl's resulted in getting it from page 5 to page 2. On-page code and layout changes resulted in going from page 2 to top 5 results on page one.

Y and M definitely value on-page over off-page, as this site has always been in the first page with them.

As times change and SE's change, the public's searching behaviors will change accordingly. I've said before people will become better searchers. For now the seasoned consumers of search will use multiple se's and directories.

Here's an interesting tool from thumbshots.com that can show the level of overlapping results from Google and Yahoo.

Check it out!
http://ranking.thumbshots.com

Though i get most of my site's visitors from Google - personally - i dont' use it unless i want to buy something cheap. Most top results are from highly "primed" e-commerce or affiliate sites with little real content - yeah - i used to run a few 'infomercial' sites so know why that is so. Google is good for commerce - but as source of knowledge or information? I am still looking around ...

I think we all overestimate the sophistication of both searchers and search engine algorthims.

Firstly, lets look at the searchers. Yes, they are getting better, but you still see "search terms" like "hotmail.com" or "www.cnn.com" in lists of the top search terms on major engines. This suggests that a huge number of people out there have a very low level of understanding about the role of search engines (and, indeed, the role of the address bar in their browser.)

Secondly, SE algorithms. Essentially, we are putting a lot of faith in the ability of math (algorithms) to understand meaning, significance and relevance. If you want to see how well a machine can do this, just have a play with some online translation programs. Even "good" ones (like Babelfish) can produce hilarious results because they have no understanding about the meaning of what they are translating. (Just grab some text, and use an online translator to translate it English to Spanish and back again, and you will see what I mean.)

To be honest it is amazing how well Google, Yahoo et al. manage even now.

Yahoo may well be benefitting from the fact that everyone aims at pleasing Google. What I mean is that with everyone running after getting backlinks, they have stopped spending so much effort on optimizing / spamming on-page items. This has left a window of opporunity for others to use this without being targetted by spammers.

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I find Google still the best search engine, followed by Yahoo. Yes...there is some garbage here and there, but not enough to distract me from my search objective.

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Another thing.... What about the 'Image Search' ?

Try the following image search in both yahoo and google:-

sunset loughdoo road

(bearing in mind that that I have had a picture - "Sunset-Loughdoo-Road.jpg" available on my web site since early March this year....

It looks like Google would rather bring back NO results than bring back some results from web sites that only have a few relevant inbound links (or am I being too harsh).

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I prefer Google still. It is quick and I know how to use it, so I always get the results I want. I dislike Yahoo because of all the extra junk that is on the site. That is one reason why I moved my free emails from Yahoo to Gmail. If anybody needs Gmail invites let me know. I might give you one if I'm feeling nice that day. =)

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I use Refdesk.com as a good source of information

One of the readers mentioned that HP, BellSouth, Pepsi, etc. all come up #1 when you search for these company names and that is not the same for small company sites.

I think Google's algorythm favors sites with more traffic (perhaps measured by Alexa ranking) and more content, and the sites we run tend to support this. I don't think this was always the case. More content=more page views and I think this would be very easy to add to an algorythm, too.

This is why all of the portal sites show up first, including portals that are not 100% relevant, and while I run some portal sites myself, I don't generally think it's good for web searching in general to exclude more content rich, but smaller sites.

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Well google.com is serving the community(dmoz direct) plus making a profit with ad words.
But sadly yahoo seems to think that they can make their own dmoz by by confusing public with their US$299.00 non-refundable/7 day gaurantee.

In terms of relevance of search, I prefer Yahoo to Google.

In terms of SEO, I prefer Google to Yahoo, because Yahoo takes much too long to get pages into its index. (I have one site which has over 3000 pages in Google and only 3 in Yahoo, and it's been in existence for over 4 years!)

Daemon61 says: "I just dont know anymore how to show to Yahoo that my site is more relevant with daily updates and constant expansion of content than site that hasnt been updated in years (!!!)"

Yeah, I know...one of my page hasn't been updated since ages and stands in top ten with broken images and links in Yahoo. I use to put byline in english on a gujarati website and I find with the keywords m.j.akbar, this page pops up in top ten! Here I might be wrong that one got to update daily coz than how come this page peps up? Another thing I noticed is the cache page is one that is the page you uploaded last. But when we upload the new page, the cache shows the same one...maybe the search engine of yahoo is slow in scrawling for a new update!

By the way, can someone let the secret on how to do SEO? I would like to know how ppl go about it.

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Mine is nr1 of free results, as I stated earlier if you could stretch your eyes to read.
You obviously have a different Google than anyone else if you only got 6 results. Guess it is time you re-formatted your hd to get rid of the bugs.

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Yahoos spider is crawling my site every day, but the page that is in its cache is about 10-15 days old. Crawling is good, but updating their cache is pretty slow. Ive just done some modifications which should be good for yahoo. my google SERP allready dropped for few places, but were still in top ten. Im giving yahoo two weeks, ill write here if anything changes.

Just read this forum and search for anything that interests you, and youll be SEO-ing in no time;)

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hello first post hi all,

I like to use google but for submission results yahoo seems easyier.

When I search I use Google first because of its toolbar. Usually I get a lot of results from upstart directories or search engines. Next I use the Yahoo toolbar. If I can't get the information I am looking for because of spammy results for important topics I then go to Teoma or use meta-search engines.

I used to use Google exclusively but I am personally disappointed in the results of organic search results in the last 4 or 5 months. I am using Yahoo as my first choice now for searching - it seems like on Yahoo that I don't have to wade through junk directories or redirect sites as much.

To check placement and results for our client sites, I toggle back and forth between both but I am surprised to find better (and quicker) results with Yahoo. When submitting our new client web sites, their sites are getting crawled by Yahoo before Google and showing up much sooner on Yahoo than Google....this used to be the reverse!

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Here, #6 on Yahoo!!! finally..:)

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daemon61: Here, #6 on Yahoo!!! finally..:)

Yeah fine & hope you climb up still:-) What I find is that I use to see my site with keyword 'm.j.akbar' as # 1 but now it falls down miserably to #14 and with keyword 'm.j.akbar, asian age, it tops #1. So I think Yahoo is trying to be fair with other sites or what..LoL

Also as regards to cache, I got to phone my ISP for a cache clear of my site though I did get a script from webpro forums earlier. Once my ISPs clear the cache pages, than I can view my new updated pages otherwise to view them I have to put / and keep adding one every time I update to see the updated page!!! Even readers who have viewed the page sees the same old page if they use the same connexion of the ISP and if they aren't aware of putting /, they pop email. Clearing of Yahoo cache is easier becoz I have observed that once we update the site, yahoo withing 6 hours or so, refreshes its cache and the new updates are seen.

Google as such I find is not so tricky like this! Btw, has anybody surfed its http://scholar.google.com ? I did get some good results here provided the site pertains to science, literature ....I tried 'm.j.akbar'. The results shows 'cited by 2 or (whatever figure) and when you click, it's pdf file you get to download - with or without payment!! Any feedback on this?

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Yep, most of the time google search engines algorithm lead to unexpected results, I think Yahoo is more concentrating on wikipedia these days and their results are more targeted that is the reason they lead better result comparatively.

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I cannot believe the writer of this article makes it sound like SEO Forums for Yahoo! SEO experts are full of people who have lost all their links on Yahoo! as opposed to Google SEO Forums..!! It is blindingly obvious to anyone in the SEO world that Google is the search engine that needs to get its act together with respect to reshuffles of links and reindexing, not Yahoo! In comparison to Google with its Florida, Jagger and other horrendous updates that have driven the SEO world crazy time and time again, Yahoo! search indexing is relatively extremely extremely stable. Lets not have all this propoganda for Google in here, people are starting to see through it - it just doesnt wash because it doesnt meet up with the reality we all see out there!

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Hey Mishi look at the date when the original post was made. Things have changed alot since 2004 in seo.

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ha ha since 2004....that cracks me up.

things in seo change from week to week.

plus the way google and yahoo seach alogrithms change alot as well....expect alot of new techniques to come out and be discovered and also be ready for the techniques you already use to be dead.

And the affiliate link in your signature with that sneaky redirect violates the rules of our community. Please update it accordingly. :)

Thanks.

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