Four Fake Forums

[janeth]

There are now four fake forums online.

One of which is web-advertising-info.com they link to webpronews.com with about 20 links. Webpronews.com links to WPW on everyone of those pages.

Could this site be trying to get WPW and webpronews banned from Google.

Does WPW know that this is going on?

[rich_ord]

Originally Posted by janeth

I have seen traffic power get a lot of sites banned. Now they have started a couple new sites one of which is web-advertising-info.com they link to webpronews.com with about 20 links. Webpronews.com links to WPW on everyone of those pages.

Could traffic power be trying to get WPW and webpronews banned from Google.

Does WPW know that this is going on?

I see that they are using our rss news feed. I doubt Google would ban us simply because they are linking to us. I would be interested in hearing from SEO experts on this one.

Thanks,

[Maximilian]

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[janeth]

Hi Maximilian,
Yes that is one.

There a lot of examples were Google banned people for buying links. It was a case were Google saw one site selling liks and banned all the sites that site was linking to.

I guess they know they look so bad there just trying to make webpronews look bad also.

[pedstersplanet]

But does WPW link to these? AFAIK, back-links can't get a site banned, the links have to be outbound-links to these dodgy sites to get banned..... am I wrong?

[paulhiles]

Originally Posted by janeth

I guess they know they look so bad there just trying to make webpronews look bad also.

With regards to the seo-forum "sham" site, it looks like they've got the geeksonsteroids site in the same forum topic list as webproworld.. so if they're trying to discredit WPW, then they're doing likewise to your site Janeth.

[cbp]

For the record (and I have posted this in sevral forums), I am NOT, the cbp posting in that forum supporting TP and bagging Jill Whalen and Aaron Wall.

CBP

[janeth]

Hi Paul,

I´m not sure why they put me there. I have said very little about them. But yes I´m sure mine will start anytime now also.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by pedstersplanet

But does WPW link to these? AFAIK, back-links can't get a site banned, the links have to be outbound-links to these dodgy sites to get banned..... am I wrong?

Google can go in and ban anysite they want. They have done it in the past when they see people buying pr.

They banned all the sites that traffic power was working with also.

I could be wrong but the way I understand it, Traffic Power used door way pages. The pages belonged to traffic power. But were directed towards clients sites.

Again I could be wrong about what they were doing but this was my understanding.

They could use those same pages for your site and get you banned without you doing anything.

If that is there forum there not above doing it.

[janeth]

They now have four forums

web-advertising-info.com/discuss/
seo-talk.net/seotalk/index.php
seo-forum.net/
seo-professional-forum.com/phpbb/

[greeneagle]

I believe they reveal their plan here:

seo-forum.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=15

Ken

[greeneagle]

LOL Janeth.

Never seen so much false SEO bashing.
Are you ready for your turn?

Ken

[greeneagle]

"fathom" I guess you have seen the replication of your user name.

Ken

[paulhiles]

Ken, they are all "bogus" forums with no real substance. They have used member names from several forums. cbp has already reported that someone is apparently on seo-forum.net posing as him.

I don't think it's wise to be including links back to these sites either.

Paul

[cbp]

Thats not the real fathom....

CBP

[greeneagle]

cbp, We all know that just by the context of the post.

Paul, it's a done deal, I edited all posts.

Is it better to reveal these recovery tactics for what they are, or let them reveal themselves through their own obvious falsehoods?

There also seems to be a string of affiliated seo sites coming on such as 1p.com.

Ken

[janeth]

The attack on my site has already started Ken.

But only on one of there forums.

The sad part is there was a better way to do this. What there doing now is just wasting time.

[greeneagle]

Janeth,

There is not much chance of building a great deal of traffic to negative spoofy bash forums is there?

Have we ever broached the subjects of intentional Internet defamation of character. or Internet Libel here?

You would think they were looking at enough lawsuits already.

Ken

[janeth]

They may have reached the point that they do not care anymore. I think the forums was the worst move they could have made.

[greeneagle]

From “answers.google.com:

"Wikipedia has an article about defamation of character, slander, and
libel at [ http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel ]. A relevant quotation
from this is:

"Libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of
character), which is the tort of making a false statement that would
tend to unjustly lower its hearers' or readers' opinion(s) of the
person(s) the communication was about. When the communication is in
writing, it is properly termed 'libel'. If made via the spoken word,
the correct term is 'slander'."

The point here, is that libel is a subcategory of "tort." What's a
tort? From [ http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort ]:

"Under United States law, torts are generally divided into two
categories: intentional torts and non-intentional torts. Intentional
torts include those actions that are intentional and voluntary and
that are made with knowledge by the tortfeasor (i.e. the person who
committed the tort) upon the plaintiff (the one who brings the
complaint seeking relief). Intentional torts include: battery, assault
(apprehension of harmful or offensive contact), false imprisonment,
intentional infliction of emotional distress, the real property tort
of trespass to land, and the personal property torts of conversion and
trespass to chattels.

Amongst unintentional torts one finds negligence as being the most
common source of ligitation in most American courts. It is a form of
extracontractual liability that is based upon a duty of care of a
reasonable person, who, being the proximate cause of damages, and but
for the tortfeasor's act, is the cause of damages to the plaintiff.
Other non-intentional torts include negligent infliction of emotional
harm.""

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From www.firstamendmentcenter.org:

"A lawsuit over an alleged libel that happened to occur online would proceed like any other libel action (see Libel & defamation topic in Press section) if the accused were known and named. But when the alleged libeler is anonymous, the offended individuals, corporations or other entities may try to smoke out their critics — and, they hope, suppress their criticism — by filing what have been called cyber-SLAPPs. “SLAPP,” coined by the University of Denver’s Political Litigation Project, stands for “strategic lawsuit against public participation.” (See SLAPP topic in Petition section."

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Is there cause for a libel case?
Is there combined power and resources by targeted companies to bring cause?
Is another class action pending yet?

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They seem determined to commit suicide, don't they?

Disclaimer - This message body only contains libel references by other sites and subjective commentary and should not be mis-interpreted as legal advice.

Ken

[neosite]

Greetings to you all.

I can't talk directly about some of what you fine folks are experiencing, but i can tell you a bit more about the new tactics that TP is using.

After a site that i originally designed was optimized by them (against my better judgement), it was banned as a result of the door way pages.

They wouldn't respond to email or phone calls.

A few weeks later (shortly after the backlash on this forum and others) new emails and phone calls began.

"That person doesn't work here anymore.....We don't do that.......We changed our name......"

The new sales pitch is:

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:09 PM
> Subject: Important info from Traffic- Power. com
>
>
> Dear Traffic Power Client,
>
> Due to the rapid growth of our company, Traffic-Power. com, we have recently undergone a few corporate changes. As your new account representative, I'd like to make you aware of these improvements. Traffic Power has branched out to specialize in ALL forms of internet advertising, and because of this, we are now doing business under the name of 1st Internet Advertising. If you should receive an email from 1stinternetadvertising.com, please do not disregard it, as it may contain very important information regarding your Traffic Power campaign.
>
> Our Search Engine Optimization website can now be found at 1p. com, although our Traffic- Power. com site will remain updated for our current clients.
>
> You have probably already been notified of our new technology updates which are taking place currently. This new technology will allow us to not only improve your current placements, but keep your website completely anonymous for privacy and security purposes. All of our updates are 100% Search Engine compliant.
>
> If you have not already received your new Promotional Site information via email, please be on the lookout for it. This will give you the name of your promo site, as well as your new username and password. This promotional site will host our new coding and technology, and direct all traffic to your original URL.
>
> If you have any questions, please give me a call or send me an email. I look forward to working with you.


Cc: help@ internetadvertising1. com ; jlambert@ traffic-power. com
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:51 PM
> Subject: Promotional Site Completed for - www. wisconsin- vacation. net
>
>
> Hello from the First Place support department.
>
>
>
> Congratulations! Your pages have been uploaded with the newest First Place code.
>
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> Your Promotional Site URL is: www. wisconsin-vacation. net
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> *Results - It takes approximately 8-14 weeks for most search engines to add your new information to their databases although the spiders may see your promotional site many times during that length of time. For this reason, it will take approximately 8-14 WEEKS from your completion date for your promotion to produce good results.
>
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> If you have any questions please contact the support department at help@ internetadvertising1. com or 866-896-2896 ext. #192.
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> Please save a copy of this email for your records.


Done against our will, after the original contracts were expired! Nothing was asked for, it was just done!
Now we have to try and get them to take our REAL content off of the pages and get them to break links to our site! It is OUR obligation to get the links not leading to the web site.

This company is a perfect example of Cyber-Extortion!

La Cosa Nostra (sic?)

It is beginning to feel as if viruses and trojans are a rather benign threat.

If it weren't for thousands of $ in print adds and the few back links that are already out there. Our original Url would already be gone!

I am working on a new SEO strategy, but there is a rather convoluted mess to clean up here and the cyber extortionists are definetly making it as hard as possible!

I feel for what you folks are going through, Good Luck!

P.S. I tried to break up all urls with spaces so it doesn't affect this RESPONSIBLE website.

[Maximilian]

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[mikmik]

LOL!