I quieted out and this got interesting.

Mike I approach DMOZ editing much the way I used to moderate here... as well as most moderators and if for no other reason admin of WPW deemed it that way.

1. If I added duplicate posts how many would survive?

2. If I registered different usernames added the same post but under the different usernames how many would survive?

3. If #1 or #2 but changed a few words around would this be consistent with WPW standards?

4. If I simply wrote a purely promotion post without any informative value - would this meet the WPW standards?

I deleted many posts in my time here and many complaints ended in my inbox, as well as admins...

How does a moderator ensure everyone is 100% equal, and happy while managing to set a standard in quality... answer that my friend and you will not only have found the answer to DMOZ you likely have the answer to world peace! :-)

Well, just to add my 2 cents on DMOZ thread...:)

I think that the main thing which is wrong with DMOZ is its acceptance among other websites, and its importance on internet. I have nothing against DMOZ policy and structure, but it is wrong that many online bussiness sites suffer because they have to wait for even few years to be accepted. when it comes to bussiness, the matter hours is of importance. In my opinion its not true that DMOZ doesnt affect your bussiness, beacause many websites and portals uses it for its web search. So thats pretty nice piece of market which is not reached for quite a long time, or in some cases - never.

I am praising the effort and goals of DMOZ, but it is wrong that something like that has negative impact on someones bussiness.

Another thing, about DMOZ and the category that I am trying to apply in - http://www.dmoz.org/Recreation/Trave...urope/Croatia/
Some sites there are listed for three times in different categories, and can anyone tell me how this site meets DMOZ requirements - http://www.crocharter.com/ ?! Content - where is that? Unique offer - same as other 34 sites in that category. and so on and on.

I am saying all this because i think its a shame that websites that are made for its users and surfers, that are planned to meet customers wishes and give them as much quality content as they need stays behind website like the one above.

I would like to see some comments on this if possible, cause I dont get it anymore, thank you.

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Sorry, but nobody is guaranteed a listing in ODP. You and many other people work under the false assumption that submitting your URL for review means it will be listed at some point.

(As for specific sites, is this forum for complaining about the listing of specific sites -- sites that aren't yours? I didn't think so.)

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Make sure you're browsing ODP, not Google Directory. You'll be less confused.

Use tabbed browsing a la Firefox. Keep the tabs open as you go.

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Yes I know that, thats why i said in other sentence that some are granted listing - never.

Sorry, english is not my native language so i dont quite understand this one. Are you asking why am i not complaining about other type of bussiness/category? Why should I complain about something that im not into and dont understand whats important in that bussiness and what aint? I used this type of bussiness for example, im sure that similar things are happening and in other categories.
As far as Im concerned, i dont give a damn, im just employee. Im just saying that this isnt right.

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But that is nothing to do with us whatsoever. We don't control what search engines do with our data and what importance they attach to it.

The category you mentioned has been edited recently but appears to be one of those popular ones. Find your locality (town/city) in the Regional section of the directory and submit the site for consideration there. Start here http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Croatia/Localities/ and work down. Remember to follow all the tips previously given for title and description. Make sure you pick the right locality - if you pick Dubrovnic because you think it will be better for business but you are really located in Crikvenica
(forgive my geography) that will delay review (see previous points about submitting to the wrong category)

I know, but that leaves me with noone to blame for...:)

Thank you very much for the tip. Ive just done that, I hope we will be approved.

Ive even volunteered to edit category croatia>yacht charters, but they turned me down because im involved with www.yacht-base.com. Ive seen people on this forum saying thats that doesnt have big influence on editorship?

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If you are interested in becoming an editor, you could visit http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289 for advice.

Hello:

I have been applying to DMOZ for 3 years now and am still not listed. My Google ranking is 5 of 10. My Alexa rating is 65,000 now and has been as low as 30,000. I have been listed in Yahoo for 3 years.

I am on Googles front page on several search terms and in first or second on 1 or 2 terms.

I tell you all this because, I built a successful web site and am one of the leaders in the Online Sunglass industry. I know all the submission rules to almost every site and have not spamed anyone.

Yet I am still not listed in DMOZ. I would say that I have applied about 10 times over a 3-year period.

On one occasion I did get the email of a supervisor at DMOZ and we email back and forth and he could not see any reason that I was not listed in DMOZ and re-submitted my application.

Over teh course of 3 years I have seen sites listed that are not near as professional as mine or do not do near the business.

I thought the idea behind DMOZ was to find sites that represented the best of the Web. I think my site is a prime example of this because:

My wife and I built this site “Entirely” by ourselves. It is run out of our home, we have one full time employee, who is a family member and for kickers, my wife as of Monday quite her job to stay home and do this full time.

So if building a Professional web site in your basement and selling 1000's of product is not reason enough to get listed in DMOZ I do not know what is.

I did read one of your postes quickly and they stated that one of their competitors was the moderator of the category. In hind site maybe this is the same thing that has happened in my case because every site that I have seen listed in the Sunglass Category over the last 3 years does not even come close to a great site.

Maybe thats the problem - did you read all the previous messages about what happens when you resubmit to DMOZ?

Thats not even close to being a reason. The only reason you get a listing is if you have unique content that adds value to the category. A lack of this is the numero uno reason for not getting a listing (...and of course every webmaster thinks theirs is the best).

Your best bet is to follow the advice given many times in this thread and ask for a status on your suggestion at www.resource-zone.com (and stop resubmiting)

CBP

Now that's interesting, daemon61, you make me look a fool!

I don't see any sign of your site being submitted to the correct locality in the Regional branch. http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Croa...on_and_Sports/ would have been my best guess.

But that isn't the problem.

You said you were trying to get listed in http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Travel/Sp...urope/Croatia/ and also "it is wrong that many online bussiness sites suffer because they have to wait for even few years to be accepted"
But when you look at that category, which you must have done, yacht-base is there in the listings. It has been listed in DMOZ, elsewhere before it found its current home earlier this year, since 2002. And it was listed a little over 2 months after being suggested - hardly a long wait. But it is listed under one of your mirror URLs, http://www.marina-base.com . What were you thinking? That you should have two listings side by side and no-one would notice? And be editor for the category? That is spamming!

Good try, better luck next time! But please do us a favor and allow editors to concentrate on listing new and original sites by not having a next time. Please!

A prime example of how editors' time is wasted. You are one of the reasons people "suffer" because of long queues.

Another spammer is sprung !!!! - how many is it now in this thread?

I can "greenbust" edit in a shopping category (really like 'limited editing' rights) - went in for the first time a few weeks ago - 80 sites waiting - looked at the first one - a couple of minor r'red flags' went up so looked around - after 20 minutes, found 5 URLs mirrors for the same site (3 had been submitted) - all I did was made an editing note about them and left and have not gone back since and there are still 80 sites waiting !!!

CBP

Well lets take fj2365, our latest storyteller in this thread. His site doesn't show up as being submitted to us 10 times. Though it is there waiting for someone to look. But I believe that the 10 times might be the truth. At least three different URLs have been submitted for exactly the same site. Two of them stick out like a sore thumb because depending how you order the submissions waiting they sit right next to one another. I dare say others are lurking in there somewhere too or have already been spotted and removed. The same question applies to you sir, how many listing were you expecting and do you not think that this type of thing - dealing with multiple submission firstly, then the trouble of investigating, hunting out, and removing all the mirrors and cloaked URLs - severly hampers the time editors have to list new and original sites?

Time after time you guys sit there and reveal your horror stories about how appalling the wait for a DMOZ listing is, only to be revealed as prime causes of the delays! Carry on shooting yourselves in the foot. Please.

Hello:

I understand everyting you are saying. I read everyting there is on DMOZ, it has been a while though. From what I read everytime I submitted to DMOZ, I think it said, if your site is not listed you should re-apply a few weeks or couple of months later.

I tried, VERY HARD, on numerous occasions to contact the mediator of the Sunglass catagory but for the whole 2 1/2 or better that I have applied they have not had a mediator. The only mediator was about 2 levels up and would not respond to my email request, except fot the time that they found no reason that I should not be listed and re-submitted my listing.

I know what you are saying about everyone thinks their site is great. I get this all the time from people who think their site is great.

But if you compare my site to the ones listed in DMOZ I think you would find that most of them do not compare to the size or scope of mine.

I understand that they want fresh and new content. If my site is not fresh and new to some of the listing they have added in the last 3 years I do not know what is. I think if you would look at the Sunglass catagory and my site www.anysunglasses.com, you would see that the majority of them are far smaller and do not offer 10% of the products we do.

While I was typing this I wanted to get a quote from the reply after mine and I say this:

I am being called a spammer, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT"

This sort of thing makes me very MAD. It probably has been months since I submitted to DMOZ and if DMOZ does have logs I would say my quote of 10 is high. Even if it is 9 that is only one every 4 months and DMOZ, from what I remember, says this is fine.

I just do not know why DMOZ would call me a spammer.

If it is from the username, fj2365, it may be because my wifes family has owned a Band Instrument company for 30 years and I also take care of their submission, I also run a wholesale site, and another sunglass site, and am going to be selling purses in about 2 weeks.

I use fj2365 for all of these because that username is never taken. It was given to me by Yahoo years ago when I wanted a email account.

Again I do not take being called a spammer lightly.

Thanks
Mark

Hello:

If you can look up how many times I have submitted, why don't you and then I DARE YOU TO LIST THE DATES beause I think this forum would find that my sumbission has been in your system for months.

Is this any way to do business?

As for the multiple sites, I will address this a little more than in my last post. I do not have several mirror sites for www.anysunglasses.com. I have one www.any-sunglasses.com.

The other sites submitted by me are either owned by myself, my wife, or my wifes family.

Is their anyting wrong with a 30 year old company owned by a 75 year old grandfather having his son-inlaw submitt his business site.

Also is their anyting wrong with me owning a sunglass site and my wife also owning a sunglass site.

Just look at some of the junk listed on DMOZ under sunglasses. If DMOZ truly wanted to offer their customers the best they would try a little harder.

Thanks
Mark

Mark,

I quickly clicked on the two sites you listed. I didn't go into any great depth but they seemed to me to have identical content. Why would DMOZ want to list two sites with identical content that was clearly being provided by the same company and/or person(s).

Dave

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Its has been said ad nauseum in this thread and numerous other threads here and in numerous other forums over the years that editors are encourgaed NOT to respond to submitters (if you read this whole thread you would know why).

You tried to pull the "wool over the editors eyes" by submitting mirrors = spam. Repeated submissions = spam.

Spammers who submit mirrors make DMOZ editors mad. Those who are waiting to be listed should also be mad at spammers.
There is nothing wrong with that - you can run your business however you like - DMOZ does not care about how you choose to do business. It's just aganist the DMOZ guidelines to lists sites that are essentailly mirrors of each other (you agreed to not submit mirrors when you submitted, or did you not read what you were agreeing to?)

Its has been said ad nauseum in this thread and numerous other threads here and in numerous other forums over the years that generally its one company = one listing of one site, unless the editor deems the content to be of sufficient unique value.

As brizzie pointed out - you shot yourself in the foot.

CBP