Here's my tuppenyworth,

Who remembers "The Right Stuff"? The astronauts were arguing about ...ahem, cough... "nocturnal activities". This at a time when NASA were trying to decide whether to send a human or an animal into space first. The smart one (forget who) says,

"This isn't about p**ssy it's about monkey"

The point here IMHO isn't DMOZ it's Google. If Google didn't weight DMOZ so highly in comparison to other directory listings this thread wouldn't be here at all.

I submitted, more than once (since stopped on CBP's advice) and have now decided to get on with other things. I don't know the status of my submission and have felt better since I gave up checking.

Get over it guys, Google's the issue, not DMOZ.

pne

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I d not know for sure as I do not edit in those categories.
Maybe it is because you asked it to be moved ... it then goes to the unreviewed pool for the category you want it to be listed in for the editor there to consider it.

No one is guaranteed a listing and once a listing is accepted - there is no guarantee it will remain listed.

Your site is waiting to be reviewed. There is nothing more that you can do.

CBP

"Get over it." Good advice.
I really just wondered if anyone else had had this experience.
And it's true, it's really about Google. If Google didn't depend on it so much, dmoz wouldn't seem so important.
I'll just shutup now and see what others have to say.
Thanks for input.

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Well said and exactly what I was trying to say!

Over the past 5 years, I have submitted my site to DMOZ with no response. It is like submitting to a black hole in space. It is not worth a persons time in filling out the required data if no action is ever taken on the part of DMOZ.
Aaron Nowling

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If you are talking about the site in your signature, you have not been submitting - you have been spamming. How many times have you submitted to how many different categories with how many deeplinks? Do you know how much work you have created for DMOZ volunteer editors? .... and you wonder why you are not listed ????

CBP

Truth be told - all directories are human edited (including Yahoo) and the general tag line "humans do it better" differentiates them from search engines... not other directories.

I came to this forum from the email too, and because I was a DMOZ editor for 6 or 7 years. I've read through all the topic posts, including some from former editors. I can understand the complaints, because getting listed in the Open Source Directory will put your site on the map. Don't underestimate its importance.

But unless you've been an editor, you have no idea what these people have to deal with, volunteering in their free time. When I volunteered, you could run a cat you had experience in and list your own site(s). If that's changed, I'm not aware of it. I originally went out searching for competitors who had exceptional sites and listing them, because that was the job I volunteered for. After a while, the queue was getting very long and I spent less time searching for worthy sites. After another while, the queue in my cat became close to unmanageable. It wasn't just spam, which was a full time job in itself, but site developers played some pretty sophisticated games to get multiple listings for content that was really horrible, knock-offs, ripoffs, ponzi schemes....

We weren't supposed to judge the content, only if it fit our category, and that was my rule. Occasionally I'd get fooled by a spammer and list them and get rung up by a Meta Editor. Then there were the anquished emails I'd get from people who had been in the queue for a month or more. I would try to help them; I tried to keep up with the queue, and it wasn't long before this "spare time volunteer work" had turned into a monstrous burden. The last straw came when I tried to help an emailer and found that he had listed his site in the wrong cat and it had to go to another editor's queue. He sent me a bunch of angry foaming emails, until I finally had to /dev/null his stuff. Then he complained to a Meta, who took my side, bless her heart. But at that point, I'd had enough.

My advice to people complaining about DMOZ is to volunteer. Or, you can probably complain to AOL. Maybe it'll end up being an expensive paid directory staffed by full time editors like Yahoo some day. The bottom line is, there is probably one legit site for every hundred spammed sites submitted, and somebody has to wade through all the crap to find the jewel legit site you're trying to submit. Until it becomes expensive, don't expect any changes. But feel free to complain :-)

Like so many others I submitted to DMOZ and waited, and waited, and waited .........

I came up with the simple solution of applying to be the editor of my selected catagory and was accepted.
When I accessed my new account I found over forty sites awaiting review - some for over three years !
I naturally approved my own site, and I have approved those of some of my competitors I what I hope is a fair manner. So, though my initial involvement was self-serving, I hope I have helped others within my industry, even if they don't realise it.

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Keep going cbp, you're doing a great job!

Do you guys know how amusing you are? To DMOZ editors I mean. DMOZ doesn't care about webmasters, never has done, never will do. Editors can build categories, do build categories, without receiving a single submission. They Google for the sites, mine link pages, notice an URL on the back of a truck. Your submissions, which are merely nothing but suggestions for inclusion, are but one of several sources, and often the least attractive of the sources.

You keep judging DMOZ by your needs, what you want from it - money and advantage it seems. You are wasting your breath, editors couldn't care less about your Google page rank or your commercial concerns. Someone earlier referred to the clients' "right" to a listing - I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. No-one has a right to tell unpaid volunteers to serve their clients' marketing requirements.

A couple of corrections to an earlier editor's comments:

If there is sufficient good content to list a site regardless of incomplete sections it will not affect the decision to list or not. If the whole site is under construction or the link is dead when the editor elects to review it the submission will be deleted completely by many if not most editors (not just kept for another day) - submitters are specifically told not to submit sites that are not ready - ignore that at your peril.

Not true at all. Indeed a very large proportion of editors edit categories with sites listed that they are affiliated with. Maybe the majority join to list their own site, get hooked and stay on. There are very strict rules about what you can and can't do with your site and those of your competitors though. And you must declare the affiliations. Monitoring enforces the rules and abuse procedures will kick in if needed.

Most amusing aspect of this discussion is that you are a tiny handful of people ranting about their own personal commercial problem but as kctipton pointed out 2000 new sites are added per day - over 700,000 a year. 700,000+ happy webmasters. 700,000 more sites for the people we really serve - the directory end-users - to choose from. Sorry you're not amongst those 700,000 but hey, you didn't pay anything so what are you whining about.

I'm off to find a thread where I can slam the International Red Cross because they didn't do a free house call when I phoned them to say I had a runny nose.

What a great debate the Newsletter topic started.
Now that’s what I call effective 'Marketing'; attracting visitors with quality content.

Congratulations to everyone who is behind this project.

I am a regular user of DMOZ and I also submit regularly my client’s and companies website to the directory on the basis of good practice, and nothing more.

I submit each website once, and only once, and if the editors do not approve of my submissions, I do not take it has a vendetta against my company or any my clients. They judge the content of the websites with by a criterion that is dictated by reinstated Google rules, and not personal criterium. No doubt that mistakes are committed, intentionally or not ( that’s another issues), but the Human nature of the directory will inevitably lead to the occurrence of errors.

In the end, what we have to keep I mind is that like any service, the consumer is not obliged to consume, and DMOZ is not obliged to index your submission just because you suggested it. Has a matter of fact, that’s what it is, the act of submitting your site is a mere suggestion.

And don’t think that I am playing the devil advocate’s for the reason that all of my sites have been indexed, quite the contrary, not a single website I have suggested has ever been indexed by DMOZ, but guess what, life goes on and there are other ways to optimize projects for Google. In the mean time, I will keep adding rich content to the web sites I manage, and eventually, they will get noticed by an editor.

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I rest my case with my argument with this situation. If you don't get accepted, apply as editor, and list their own site(s), and let other sites wait 5years. Bingo! <groan>

It's still happening...

<checks site>oh dmoz is down

<checks site again>oh its backup

........
Yeah right, okay!

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Because we all know if you submit it nothing ever happens.


Another factual error. ~2000 sites a day get listed. Thats nothing ever happening?? ... that makes DMOZ the fastest growing directory out there - nothing else comes close to this number.


How many editors around the world are there?


but really lets get down to the point who do you have to pay off to get listed. It is more than obvious to all of us that the editors only do the job to the extent they want. why aren't their quotas and more enforcable rules in place for these shmuks.

You try to defend the DMOZ and your self and you say you have proof, but non of it has been justified just you lying to people and destroying evidence on your end so we can't come to DMOZ and get the proof.

Oh yeah by the way just for all of ya webmasters out there I have sent emails to all the major search engine regarding this post and leting them know what we the people who have built the internet think of the DMOZ.

I have talked to google on the phone about it. As stock holders we all have a vote.

I can't wait to see DMOZ burn for its shady and manipulative practices.

This guy says were lying when I already caught him contradicting himself, what an idtiot. The only person were laughing at is you you tool.

oh yeah and by the way about.com is listed more than once in the DMOZ directory. just another mistake by crappy editors.

As cbp has already pointed out, lisitng a site mulitple times is fine according to the ODP's guidelines for editors. About.com has got to be one of the top 100 sites on which to find information about nearly any topic. The fact that it is listed multiple times is proof that the editors in those categories know what they are doing.

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no the fact is that the editors only know a few sites and repeditivly use the sites they know. how come about is listed under web design when whatis.com and w3.org are better. <MOD edit - please see forum rules>

Lets deal in facts rather tha take your childish approach:
Yor original claim:
I told you that was not the case. You told me you have proof, but you claim DMOZ has deleted the thread at resource zone ... therefore DMOZ is guilty of deleteing the truth....

If you took the time to understand and look around at resource-zone, you would understand that your would not have been told you were accepted (if you were, you would have been listed witin a few days) - you would have been told that your site had been received and is awaiting review. That is different to being acecpted.

I can not destroy at evidence as I am not a moderator at resource zone....another one of your factual errors .... how many is that now?

No it was you that can't handle the truth when I have several times pointed out your factual errors in this thread - they are all there for everyone to see.

Another one of your factual errors. >1000's of sites get multiple listings. Its within the guidelines.

....people wonder why DMOZ editors allegedly display an arrogance over at resource zone and can sometime be antagonist towards webmasters, when this is the quality of person and attitudes we have to deal with.

Also - all the spam you have send to DMOZ with multiple submissions and multple deeplinks to several categories have all had to be deleted which created a lot of work for editors ---- now you come here to bash DMOZ .... ou brought it all on yourself.

Also - I will be surprised if doubt your site will get listed ... anyone here can go and look - it has next to no content that would be of any value to the category .... guess that will give you more ammunition to keep spitting the dummy at DMOZ.


BTW - how is this for a PM I got:
I won't name the individial as is a PM, but see what I mean about the quaity of people we have to deal with. They just do not have the ability to post anything constructive publically.

The demise of DMOZ has been predicted since day 1 - no sign of it happening yet.

It is still the fasted growing direcory out there (~2000 sites a day) and no other directory comes close. It is still the largest directory out there (~4.5mill sites) and no oter directory comes close.

CBP

One reason that it works well here is that very few people are worried about a listing. I submit most of our sites when they are ready. When the present site is complete I will submit that too. It will probably get listed because it is good. If it dois not get listed then it does not. There are a lot of other directories where I do not get listed either for good reasons, often I do no bother to submit to them. You can't expect unpaid volunteers to run after you.

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