Here's my tuppenyworth,

Who remembers "The Right Stuff"? The astronauts were arguing about ...ahem, cough... "nocturnal activities". This at a time when NASA were trying to decide whether to send a human or an animal into space first. The smart one (forget who) says,

"This isn't about p**ssy it's about monkey"

The point here IMHO isn't DMOZ it's Google. If Google didn't weight DMOZ so highly in comparison to other directory listings this thread wouldn't be here at all.

I submitted, more than once (since stopped on CBP's advice) and have now decided to get on with other things. I don't know the status of my submission and have felt better since I gave up checking.

Get over it guys, Google's the issue, not DMOZ.

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I d not know for sure as I do not edit in those categories.
Maybe it is because you asked it to be moved ... it then goes to the unreviewed pool for the category you want it to be listed in for the editor there to consider it.

No one is guaranteed a listing and once a listing is accepted - there is no guarantee it will remain listed.

Your site is waiting to be reviewed. There is nothing more that you can do.

CBP

"Get over it." Good advice.
I really just wondered if anyone else had had this experience.
And it's true, it's really about Google. If Google didn't depend on it so much, dmoz wouldn't seem so important.
I'll just shutup now and see what others have to say.
Thanks for input.

Well said and exactly what I was trying to say!

Over the past 5 years, I have submitted my site to DMOZ with no response. It is like submitting to a black hole in space. It is not worth a persons time in filling out the required data if no action is ever taken on the part of DMOZ.
Aaron Nowling

If you are talking about the site in your signature, you have not been submitting - you have been spamming. How many times have you submitted to how many different categories with how many deeplinks? Do you know how much work you have created for DMOZ volunteer editors? .... and you wonder why you are not listed ????

CBP

Truth be told - all directories are human edited (including Yahoo) and the general tag line "humans do it better" differentiates them from search engines... not other directories.

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I came to this forum from the email too, and because I was a DMOZ editor for 6 or 7 years. I've read through all the topic posts, including some from former editors. I can understand the complaints, because getting listed in the Open Source Directory will put your site on the map. Don't underestimate its importance.

But unless you've been an editor, you have no idea what these people have to deal with, volunteering in their free time. When I volunteered, you could run a cat you had experience in and list your own site(s). If that's changed, I'm not aware of it. I originally went out searching for competitors who had exceptional sites and listing them, because that was the job I volunteered for. After a while, the queue was getting very long and I spent less time searching for worthy sites. After another while, the queue in my cat became close to unmanageable. It wasn't just spam, which was a full time job in itself, but site developers played some pretty sophisticated games to get multiple listings for content that was really horrible, knock-offs, ripoffs, ponzi schemes....

We weren't supposed to judge the content, only if it fit our category, and that was my rule. Occasionally I'd get fooled by a spammer and list them and get rung up by a Meta Editor. Then there were the anquished emails I'd get from people who had been in the queue for a month or more. I would try to help them; I tried to keep up with the queue, and it wasn't long before this "spare time volunteer work" had turned into a monstrous burden. The last straw came when I tried to help an emailer and found that he had listed his site in the wrong cat and it had to go to another editor's queue. He sent me a bunch of angry foaming emails, until I finally had to /dev/null his stuff. Then he complained to a Meta, who took my side, bless her heart. But at that point, I'd had enough.

My advice to people complaining about DMOZ is to volunteer. Or, you can probably complain to AOL. Maybe it'll end up being an expensive paid directory staffed by full time editors like Yahoo some day. The bottom line is, there is probably one legit site for every hundred spammed sites submitted, and somebody has to wade through all the crap to find the jewel legit site you're trying to submit. Until it becomes expensive, don't expect any changes. But feel free to complain :-)

Like so many others I submitted to DMOZ and waited, and waited, and waited .........

I came up with the simple solution of applying to be the editor of my selected catagory and was accepted.
When I accessed my new account I found over forty sites awaiting review - some for over three years !
I naturally approved my own site, and I have approved those of some of my competitors I what I hope is a fair manner. So, though my initial involvement was self-serving, I hope I have helped others within my industry, even if they don't realise it.

Keep going cbp, you're doing a great job!

Do you guys know how amusing you are? To DMOZ editors I mean. DMOZ doesn't care about webmasters, never has done, never will do. Editors can build categories, do build categories, without receiving a single submission. They Google for the sites, mine link pages, notice an URL on the back of a truck. Your submissions, which are merely nothing but suggestions for inclusion, are but one of several sources, and often the least attractive of the sources.

You keep judging DMOZ by your needs, what you want from it - money and advantage it seems. You are wasting your breath, editors couldn't care less about your Google page rank or your commercial concerns. Someone earlier referred to the clients' "right" to a listing - I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. No-one has a right to tell unpaid volunteers to serve their clients' marketing requirements.

A couple of corrections to an earlier editor's comments:

If there is sufficient good content to list a site regardless of incomplete sections it will not affect the decision to list or not. If the whole site is under construction or the link is dead when the editor elects to review it the submission will be deleted completely by many if not most editors (not just kept for another day) - submitters are specifically told not to submit sites that are not ready - ignore that at your peril.

Not true at all. Indeed a very large proportion of editors edit categories with sites listed that they are affiliated with. Maybe the majority join to list their own site, get hooked and stay on. There are very strict rules about what you can and can't do with your site and those of your competitors though. And you must declare the affiliations. Monitoring enforces the rules and abuse procedures will kick in if needed.

Most amusing aspect of this discussion is that you are a tiny handful of people ranting about their own personal commercial problem but as kctipton pointed out 2000 new sites are added per day - over 700,000 a year. 700,000+ happy webmasters. 700,000 more sites for the people we really serve - the directory end-users - to choose from. Sorry you're not amongst those 700,000 but hey, you didn't pay anything so what are you whining about.

I'm off to find a thread where I can slam the International Red Cross because they didn't do a free house call when I phoned them to say I had a runny nose.

What a great debate the Newsletter topic started.
Now that’s what I call effective 'Marketing'; attracting visitors with quality content.

Congratulations to everyone who is behind this project.

I am a regular user of DMOZ and I also submit regularly my client’s and companies website to the directory on the basis of good practice, and nothing more.

I submit each website once, and only once, and if the editors do not approve of my submissions, I do not take it has a vendetta against my company or any my clients. They judge the content of the websites with by a criterion that is dictated by reinstated Google rules, and not personal criterium. No doubt that mistakes are committed, intentionally or not ( that’s another issues), but the Human nature of the directory will inevitably lead to the occurrence of errors.

In the end, what we have to keep I mind is that like any service, the consumer is not obliged to consume, and DMOZ is not obliged to index your submission just because you suggested it. Has a matter of fact, that’s what it is, the act of submitting your site is a mere suggestion.

And don’t think that I am playing the devil advocate’s for the reason that all of my sites have been indexed, quite the contrary, not a single website I have suggested has ever been indexed by DMOZ, but guess what, life goes on and there are other ways to optimize projects for Google. In the mean time, I will keep adding rich content to the web sites I manage, and eventually, they will get noticed by an editor.

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I rest my case with my argument with this situation. If you don't get accepted, apply as editor, and list their own site(s), and let other sites wait 5years. Bingo! <groan>

It's still happening...

<checks site>oh dmoz is down

<checks site again>oh its backup

........
Yeah right, okay!

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Because we all know if you submit it nothing ever happens.


Another factual error. ~2000 sites a day get listed. Thats nothing ever happening?? ... that makes DMOZ the fastest growing directory out there - nothing else comes close to this number.


How many editors around the world are there?


but really lets get down to the point who do you have to pay off to get listed. It is more than obvious to all of us that the editors only do the job to the extent they want. why aren't their quotas and more enforcable rules in place for these shmuks.

You try to defend the DMOZ and your self and you say you have proof, but non of it has been justified just you lying to people and destroying evidence on your end so we can't come to DMOZ and get the proof.

Oh yeah by the way just for all of ya webmasters out there I have sent emails to all the major search engine regarding this post and leting them know what we the people who have built the internet think of the DMOZ.

I have talked to google on the phone about it. As stock holders we all have a vote.

I can't wait to see DMOZ burn for its shady and manipulative practices.

This guy says were lying when I already caught him contradicting himself, what an idtiot. The only person were laughing at is you you tool.

oh yeah and by the way about.com is listed more than once in the DMOZ directory. just another mistake by crappy editors.

As cbp has already pointed out, lisitng a site mulitple times is fine according to the ODP's guidelines for editors. About.com has got to be one of the top 100 sites on which to find information about nearly any topic. The fact that it is listed multiple times is proof that the editors in those categories know what they are doing.

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no the fact is that the editors only know a few sites and repeditivly use the sites they know. how come about is listed under web design when whatis.com and w3.org are better. <MOD edit - please see forum rules>

Lets deal in facts rather tha take your childish approach:
Yor original claim:
I told you that was not the case. You told me you have proof, but you claim DMOZ has deleted the thread at resource zone ... therefore DMOZ is guilty of deleteing the truth....

If you took the time to understand and look around at resource-zone, you would understand that your would not have been told you were accepted (if you were, you would have been listed witin a few days) - you would have been told that your site had been received and is awaiting review. That is different to being acecpted.

I can not destroy at evidence as I am not a moderator at resource zone....another one of your factual errors .... how many is that now?

No it was you that can't handle the truth when I have several times pointed out your factual errors in this thread - they are all there for everyone to see.

Another one of your factual errors. >1000's of sites get multiple listings. Its within the guidelines.

....people wonder why DMOZ editors allegedly display an arrogance over at resource zone and can sometime be antagonist towards webmasters, when this is the quality of person and attitudes we have to deal with.

Also - all the spam you have send to DMOZ with multiple submissions and multple deeplinks to several categories have all had to be deleted which created a lot of work for editors ---- now you come here to bash DMOZ .... ou brought it all on yourself.

Also - I will be surprised if doubt your site will get listed ... anyone here can go and look - it has next to no content that would be of any value to the category .... guess that will give you more ammunition to keep spitting the dummy at DMOZ.


BTW - how is this for a PM I got:
I won't name the individial as is a PM, but see what I mean about the quaity of people we have to deal with. They just do not have the ability to post anything constructive publically.

The demise of DMOZ has been predicted since day 1 - no sign of it happening yet.

It is still the fasted growing direcory out there (~2000 sites a day) and no other directory comes close. It is still the largest directory out there (~4.5mill sites) and no oter directory comes close.

CBP

One reason that it works well here is that very few people are worried about a listing. I submit most of our sites when they are ready. When the present site is complete I will submit that too. It will probably get listed because it is good. If it dois not get listed then it does not. There are a lot of other directories where I do not get listed either for good reasons, often I do no bother to submit to them. You can't expect unpaid volunteers to run after you.

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All designer and people out there who hate DMOZ let google know how you feel. With enough complaints they will make changes. he problem doesn't lay with the DMOZ it lays with google using them if it wasn't for google none of us would care we don't need DMOZ nor does google. Send as many letters as you can to google about the DMOZ and you will see change. tell every one you know to stop using google until the DMOZ is no longer used and Tell google you are doing that too. press@google.com, bizdev@google.com, mentions@google.com, info@google.com, corperate@google.com

here there phone # (650) 623-4000


I'm done dealing with the errogant pricks from the DMOZ. I hope DMOZ crashes down like it deserves to.

Why do you keep comin up with this absolute rubbish?

about.com is a good valable resource on that topic, so tht is why it is listed there (your site is not a valuable resource on thttopic)

w3.org is listed 5 times in the categories it adds value to - ie web standards, web policy, web organizations (I can;t remeber all 5)

whatis.com is listed twice - in computer references and computer glossaries.

What is the problem with that? If you think there is a category that they should be in, what is the point in bagging publically - why not spend that energy on helping - anyone can submit a site to a category .... go on .... do it - do something constructive.

CBP

I appreciate your comments, but I disagree.

Points
1) Paid review does not mean acceptance which means that spammers can be kept out. It would also eliminate the black hole frustration for webmasters.
2)There isn't a "business model" . They don't make any money.
3)Social contract...things change especially when people look at the bottom line
4)The reality is that DMOZ is completely unfair. I have seen horrible web sites listed and there can be only one reason. It is either an editors friend or their web site.
5)Let's face it. DMOZ isn't built for users. It is now used primarly by webmasters and search crawlers.
6)SPAM. One of the biggest spamming problems on the web is DMOZ. Yes DMOZ. For ceratin searches in Google, you will find the same directory topics and content appear from multiple sites all using DMOZ data.
7)Paid directories do it better. I would argue that Yahoo, Goguides, Joeant, and several others provide very fair reviews and within a timely manner. Yes I use them because it is impossible to get listed in DMOZ.
8)Last thing to ponder about how unfair DMOZ really is. Within a very short time of its launch, Orkut.com was listed. How is it that Google gets their new site listed immediately, but it takes others months or years. Yeah, that was the intention of the Open Directory Project.

Again showing your ability to name call and not deal in facts ....

CBP

NO CBP the fact is every one needs to let google know what kind of people the editors are at DMOZ and the fact is google needs to stop using DMOZ data. Finally the larest fact is DMOZ needs to be shut down and will be...

there are 64,739 editros at the dmoz and only 2000 site are entered every day that less than 1 site entered per month per editor. doesn't sound to me like the editrors are doing anything.

Finally something intelligent to respond to from someone who has not been spamming DMOZ :-) (thanks):
That is why I put "buiness model" in brackets. I think the point I am trying to make is that DMOZ does its things its way and Yahoo does its things its way, Zeal does things its way --- what would be the point of all the diretories doing things the same way? Just like Google and Yahoo using different ranking algorithm and how they handle paid listings (different business models)

I will be surprised if it ever changes - DMOZ won;t be DMOZ if it changes - It is the social contract that makes it different to other directories - DMOZ does not want to b like other directoris.

It is unfair if you consider DMOZ as listing service (is not). Unfrtunaly most webmasters treat it like that. Editors want to build a category of valuable resources - for the user, having less sites in category may be better.

~4000 sites use the DMOZ database (almost all are not search engines) - these are teh DMOZ users; these are teh ones that DMOZ is being built for; as I have said several times in this hread - not one of them are complaining. If the "product" that DMOZ was producing was not meeting the needs of the user, then I am sure there will be changes.

Is that DMOZ's fault? If Google and other search engines choose to give weightingto DMOZ, is tha DMOZ's fault (I do not think they give any extra weight to a DMOZ listing. If a directory using DMOZ ranks high, surely it is the search engines algorithm that is to blame, not DMOZ

They do it differently. Why would DMOZ want to have paid submissions and be just like Yaoo, GoGuides and Joeant?

Its an important new major site, so I would expect it to be listed. I list or reject all new suggestions to my categories within 12 hours - I check in 2x a day.

As for sites waiting, maybe I need to repost kctiptons post from earlier:

ie DMOZ has a different "business model" ... I can't thnk ofa better word than "business"

Always good to discuss and help rather than deal with the "DMOZ sucks" posts who are unable to disucss and the quality of there debate is to resort to name calling.

CBP

you wanted more facts. http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/searc...=web+designers check out the links the DMOZ gives when you search web designs. I know if I was searching for a web designer these links wouldn't help. Looks to me like more proof of corruption inside the DMOZ.

I thought you were done :-)

Another one of your factual errors. That is the total number of editors that DMOZ has ever had - not the number that are currently editing. any are no longer editors. I do not have the current figures.

If a volunteer editor only adds one site every few months they are doing their job. If they add more, then thats a bonus.

If I volunteer one day a month at a soup kitchen, am I dong my job if I do not do 2 days? ... same with being a volunteer DMOZ editor

CBP

Just been watching the X-Factor, where talentless wannabees often react to rejection by being disrespectful and abusive. Sound familiar peakstudios?

pne

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Your factual errors continue.

DMOZ is not a search engine - it is a directory. Google is a search engine. You use Directories for browsing for sites. You use search engines to search for sites. If you want to search for a web designer, go to Google, if you want to browse for a web designer, then the DMOZ search returns the categories for you to browse and a few sample sites Thats not coruption, that is how it works.

CBP

What is amazing to me CBP is that in all of your posts, you are stonewalling. Maybe you work for CBS...

Why is it that so many webmasters are so angry at DMOZ. Maybe it is time that people like yourself stop defending them and start saying. There is something that needs to change. We need to significantly change things. It is this type of arrogance that just proves the point. DMOZ is poorly run, violates its own submission policy and needs a complete overhaul. I have submitted a couple of sites which were in 100% compliance of the posted guidelines. No affiliate links, only Adwords, and 100% unique content and there were two editors in the category.

Why do I think the content was unique? Because a few other sites ripped off the articles which I had written professionally. Not one of my sites was listed.

Give me a break. I think I am going to take my own advice. I am going to send a letter to AOL along with documentation including these forum posts to show the higher ups just how ridiculous DMOZ has become. To senior management, DMOZ is just a blip, but when they see the negativity associated with it and their brand, they might just wake up.

unfortunetly most of the people searching the web will go to a directory and type in web designers, because they don't know any better. So inturn i have searched it in the way the consumer will.


Oh yeah PME not worried about the rejections, a matter a fact Ihave never recieved one from the DMOZ because they don't do that. they just leave you hanging. I have asked for CBP to post my post from DMOZ and have used the search their to find my posts, neiter has worked, because CBP just wants to say the facts are wrong rather than proving it that's all he's really said, no your wrong that's not what happend and then has no quotes from DMOZ message boards to back him self up. I have quoted pages of the dmoz and himself, yet he insists to say I'm missing the facts. CBP is more worried about the thoughts about the DMOZ be rude and unconstructive. can iI just say karma gets ya every time; doesn't it CBP? DMOZ editors have been rude and unconstructive and now Karma is ketching up with them.

Have you missed all the posts about DMOZ not being a listing service for webmasters? (other directories are)

You claim all these problems with DMOZ, yet it still lists ~2000 sites a day - none of the other paid or free directories come close to this.

If it is achieving this, why must it change?, just because the "service expectations" of some vocal webmasters are not being met?

There are some things DMOZ can do better, but I have yet to see anything posted of a practical nature that is constructive in this thread that DMOZ can consider taking on board. There have been a lot of suggestions that webmasters want, but DMOZ is unlikely to do it (eg paid listings; notifications of listing etc) and exlanations hae been given as to why.... as this is a bash DMOZ thread it is what to expect.

CBP

There are a bunch angry webmasters posting here because it's their job to get high Google rankings, and they think they can spend 2 minutes submitting to DMOZ and get those high Google rankings they want.

Who cares if a bunch of webmasters aren't able to exploit DMOZ to market their sites for their own personal gain.

We already know this, but how many site were listed yesterday. 2000 sites a day is a made up # just like "64,739 editors" it's on the bottom of this page http://dmoz.org

What do I have to do to stop you continually posting factual errors?

DMOZ had 4 millon sites listed in late Decemeber - acouple of months ago, it almost reached 4.5 million - you do the maths, but that comes out at about 2000 sites a day (give or take a few 100).

CBP

IMHO - DMOZ editors DO get paid, albeit, depending on their motivation for becoming editors. Maybe the editors posting here in defense of DMOZ have altruistic intentions of creating the best online listing for end-users.

However, I do believe that a large portion of editors receive untold benefit in terms of monetary income generated from listing and maintaining their own websites within the listing - even if they do list a few of their weaker competitors in a veiled attempt a appearing non-capricious.

I wish the moderator of this thread was not taking an overly defensive stance in protecting the DMOZ reputation - it makes me feel as creeped-out as seeing a DMOZ editor's site listed #1 in their own category. Sheeesh!!! Something really stinks here - go edit your Cat box on DMOZ or something, dude!

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2000 isn't a fact it is at best a estimate and not a very acurate one at that. The words "almost" and "a couple" say that. So don't try to be little the facts with your inacuacy.

the fact is I just pulled the # of editros off the home page of DMOZ. you mean to tell me DMOZ can't even keep track of the exact # of sites and editors.[/quote]

Please post the evidence in the appropriate place - the link has been given several times in this thread ---- or are you just posting innuendo without evidence?

That is not permitted under DMOZ guidelines. So please post your evidence in the appropriate place - the link has been given several times.---- or are you just posting innuendo without evidence?

I just did, but there are no sites waiting in my categories :-)

CBP

When will you stop with the factual errors? ... Enough is enough. All this because I sprung you as a DMOZ spammer and being part of the problem why other have to wait so long..

DMOZ has all this information - it just does not make it public. Do you make the stats for your site public?

This detailed information is available easy to the meta editors at DMOZ (I am not a meta editor) ...

CBP

show me how I'm a spammer. You just are looking for excuses now.

Another poster writing personal abuse. What's with you guys?

Is it a Sunday thing, you know, homework to do for tomorrow that you don't want to get round to yet?

I'm no great defender of DMOZ, Google, Yahoo!, MSN or anyone, but I will defend a valued Moderator on this forum from malicious accusations.

You need to grow up and get over it.

pne

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I have already pointed that out in previous post - it appears you are being selective in your readings here.

How many times have you submitted your site?
How many categories have you sbmitted to?
How many deeplinks from your site have you submitted?
What do the guidelines say?

What you have done is spam. You have created a lot of extra work for DMOZ editos to delete all your spam - time taken away from actually listing sites. And you expect to get a listing?


CBP

I'm locking this thread for now. The posts are becoming personal, with little in the way of useful discussion.

The site Admin, Mike will be in on Monday, he may decide to unlock it and go from there.

Thanks for understanding.

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I recently received an email from WebProWorld highlighting this subject, “DMOZ Isn't An Open Directory”.
http://webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?p=153096 (which began at sitepoint forums and going on at Cre8asite Forum and other forums).

After reading all of the posts and wishing to post my own experience (which was not to bash DMOZ, but to state my experience along with the links to my communication with DMOZ which has responded to every post I have ever made to their forum in less than an hour or two) the forum was locked.

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hmmm... cbp you did a outstanding job and spent 10X the amount of time keeping things on track (than I would have), and the only thing I would have changed flood6 - locked the thread on page 2.

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OK, I'm confused here. cpb, please tell me if you would... Are these editors permited to list their own sites on your directory?

Fact and numbers! Not your own made up answers of how someone would be a spammer. You're the 1 who wants facts and you haven't given any. You have just said to anyone who says something about the DMOZ

"...Facual errors..."

and you asked about showing stats. Well If I put the stats on my home page they are accurate.

My site is here:

http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_A...rnet/Internet/ (Spherica)

and

I edit here:

http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Consume...Jewelry/Pearl/

If a site is within DMOZ guidelines and appropriate for a category it can be listed no matter the status of the editor and their association with the site.

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Facts:

http://dmoz.org/help/submit.html

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As suggested earlier in this thread (and in the thread starter) abuse of editor status does occur as in any organization with 1 or more humans (yours, mine, ours -- this isn't a mutually exclusive concept... let's not forget that.)

If you know of abuse or suspect it:

http://dmoz.org/help/geninfo.html#abuse

Also as cbp has pointed out submitters are not with fault either. (let's not forget that either).

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If you guys want to know the "secret" of having the best possible chance to get your site listed in DMOZ in the least possible time then read on. Actually it isn't really a secret, it is all there in black and white, but just in case this is the strategy to adopt.

1) The site. A site designed for search engine ranking points alone is not for us. We are looking for very good quality unique content. Information that isn't plagarized, maybe products you can't buy at the same price on a hundred other sites, personal and company profiles, minimal affiliate links, etc. Quality, Quality, Quality. As a guide, look for the best site listed in the category already and aim for the site to be at least that good.

2) The category. Pick the right category, not the one you want to be in, not the one above it, not the one with the best page rank, not every category in the whole branch, just the one that best matches. Use other sites listed as the guide. Read the category descriptions and submission notices. See if you qualify for another category - maybe in Regional branch. If the site in a second language, maybe in the World branch for the language.

3) The title and description. Use the title of the site, not a string of keywords, not the motto, not the full company name, just the title of the site itself. If the site says Acme Engineering, that is the title to write. Describe the site by saying what it is about and what is on the site. Manufacturers of heavy engineering components for the shipping industry. Includes company profile, information on products, photo gallery, testimonials, and contact details. Use other descriptions in the category as a guide also - if they state the city and country do the same. Don't use capitalizations, hype, advertising copy, strings of keywords, repetition.

4) Submit it. Submit it once to each of the categories (usually one or two for English language sites) you qualify for. Once only. You may check at the Resource Zone to make sure it has arrived. Then sit back and wait.

Now what happens on the other side...

The editor visits the pool of suggested sites for submission.

1) They wade through and delete all the obvious crap and duplicate submissions.

2) They scan the rest and lo and behold there is a title and description that doesn't seem to need any work editing it. Is it in the right category? Yes! No work required to find the right category and move it then. Is it a good resource? Yes! It has excellent quality information, plenty of it, isn't spam or an affiliate marketing site, it is listable!

3) They list the site.

4) Depression returns as they try and wade through the less than obvious crap, misplaced junk, and titles and descriptions needing half an hour each.

Now not every editor works like that but many do because believe it or not we actually love to list sites and in an age when spam is rife suggestions via the submission form that stand out as minimal effort to list and which are good quality additions will catch the eye. There is no guarantee of quick listing, there is no guarantee of acceptance of a suggestion for any site, but it maximises your chances.

As time goes on it is inevitable that DMOZ will concentrate more and more on quality rather than quantity - it already does but more so. The quality barrier for a listing will undoubtedly rise. If your site is an affiliate laden lead generator, or a business card, has minimal low quality information, or is under development with release six months away, don't submit it. Not only will it not get in but it slows everyone else down. If you are a professional doing submissions for your clients, submitting one client's dross impacts negatively on the time it takes to list another client's brilliant work of art. You aren't doing either any favors.

Furthermore, we won't notice that brilliant work of art standing out from the crowd if it looks like the rest of the spam and we first have to contend with rewriting the title and description then moving it to the right category where it has to wait until another editor there gets around to it.

Why don't you try using the "secrets" above and see if it actually works - but have some patience and understanding eh?