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Old 07-16-2007, 09:22 AM
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Where are webmasters getting this expectation from? I only have an expectation of the provision of any service when I pay for it.
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The ODP is maintained by community editors who evaluate sites for inclusion in the directory. They are our experts, and all submissions are subject to editor evaluation.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:45 PM
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I see nothing there that implies DMOZ is providing any sort of service to webmasters nor do I see anything there that implies editors are obliged process submissions.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:48 AM
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I see nothing there that implies DMOZ is providing any sort of service to webmasters nor do I see anything there that implies editors are obliged process submissions.
This following sentence implies just that.

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(...)and all submissions are subject to editor evaluation.
Here's the definition of subject, as a verb of course, for your convenience; in case the subjectivity eludes you.
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1. To submit for consideration.
2. To submit to the authority of.
3. To expose to something: patients subjected to infection.
4. To cause to experience: subjected to extreme weather.
5. To subjugate; subdue.
but that's nit picking, instead, I'll leave you with this.

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Procedure After Your Site is Submitted

An ODP editor will review your submission to determine whether to include it in the directory.
god i'm such an asshole.


EDIT:
I was wrong when I pointed out that GNN.tv was not listed at DMOZ but was so at BOTW even though it had a history of quality content. It turns out the site is included in dmoz.org under this url: Guerrilla News Network.

Instead I will now point out that ScrewAttack.com is not in DMOZ but is in BOTW and i'm sure we can all agree that screwattack is a damn good site, especially since the AVGN joined the cast. pure awesomeness.

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Old 07-18-2007, 01:24 AM
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I guess we will have to leave it there. You have a different perception of DMOZ than the volunteers who are building the directory.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:18 AM
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I'm sorry I pick on you martty, but you came here with a lot of answers and gave a lot of advice to all those who submitted sites. You also gave a lot of insight on what an editors side looks like.

I am not behind the "editor panel" so to speak. I tell it like it is from the webmaster's perspective because that's who i am. I'm also a smart ass and i'm glad you toughed through it all - but i wanted you to understand where this perception comes from, that all sites submitted will be reviewed at least once: from the dmoz website itself.

The best way to shut me up was to show me where in the guidelines it says that an editor reserves the right to review a site at their own discretion and may choose not to exercise that right altogether and fill the listing through other means. Something along those lines.

I DO appreciate the input you give to all the posters, not just myself; every bit counts to understand what happens.

I'd still appreciate it if you could take a look at my own website, I sent it to you through private message - of which you might be getting a whole bunch since you started dishing out answers for this thread.

I'd just like to keep my ties to certain sites private. all sites actually.

so with all that said, thanks martty.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:30 AM
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Visit my personal blog to find out how much corruption in Dmoz. Editors are giving free (sorry chargeable ) advice to webmasters.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:57 AM
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Visit my personal blog to find out how much corruption in Dmoz. Editors are giving free (sorry chargeable ) advice to webmasters.
i think you should read that e-mail over again. Although it is poorly written, the e-mail is not selling a dmoz listing, it's selling a dmoz listed site, gaddis.com. the purposefully poorly formulated sentences engage you into what might be a pay alternative to DMOZ.

but this is blatantly opposing everything for which DMOZ stands for.

Another thing, stop reading your spam.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:44 AM
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To me, the real question is since DMOZ is irrelevant for all practical purposes anymore, why do DMOZ discussions go on for pages and pages...
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:46 PM
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To me, the real question is since DMOZ is irrelevant for all practical purposes anymore, why do DMOZ discussions go on for pages and pages...
Because, unless you've got your head under a rock, DMOZ is most assuredly NOT irrelevant.

Thousands of small and private directories use its' information to list sites that have already been categorized in relevant pages and many of these are directories currently list competitor's sites.

Without a listing in DMOZ, there's no way in and it's a small advantage my competitors enjoy in that, because they're not paid links, they get more link juice from Google.

I'd love to have tons of FREE links in relevant directories that I don't have to submit to or manage and I'd truly appreciate any increase in pagerank that a listing in DMOZ might produce.

I just hope I live to see the day when the floodgates open and the two sites I've submitted are listed.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:29 PM
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Visit my personal blog to find out how much corruption in Dmoz. Editors are giving free (sorry chargeable ) advice to webmasters.
Absolute rubbish - there is absolutly nothing in that about corruption in DMOZ - please supply one piece of evidence about people paying for a listing. Repeated posts in forums by disgruntled webmasters is NOT evidence. Please show us.

{EDIT} I see you now have removed it. Are you going to apologise for the slur?

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Old 07-20-2007, 05:39 PM
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, why do DMOZ discussions go on for pages and pages...
Very good point. It only a link.
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:42 PM
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Very good point. It only a link.
from a webmaster perspective, it's a link that other sites will copy since they copy the entire directory, sites like google.

Getting a link from dmoz also puts the link in question on a site that is very popular and deemed of quality and authority.

so when you think about it, it's not just 1 link, it's several links, and not just any link, a quality link at that.

that;s why.
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:46 PM
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Dosen't Googles duplicate content filter negate the juice from the other 2999 directories that use DMOZ's database
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:34 AM
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Dosen't Googles duplicate content filter negate the juice from the other 2999 directories that use DMOZ's database
i didn't say anything about link juice. although it might have been implied when i said "quality link" i would point out that search engines only facilitates traffic, it is not the only precursor to the flow of traffic of a site, especially not a new one.

don't forget other engines that may not be enforcing[as we know] the duplicate content disposal such as Yahoo!, Ask, and Live[/shudder how i try to forget live...]
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:26 PM
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I like many other people who have posted in this forum have been having problems with dmoz. I understand that the amount of submissions have been astronomical but I has been more than a year since my company attempted to enter various sites into various different categories. One of them being Best Sellers - Office Furniture from ATD-AMERICAN I was wondering if there were any dmoz editors or anyone else who could help me out. Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:24 AM
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I submitted a site to DMOZ.

Never heard anything.

I submitted an application to become an editor in a field I have some expertise in.

Never heard anything about that, either.

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Old 08-03-2007, 07:21 AM
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I submitted a site to DMOZ.
Never heard anything.
You would have got a 'thank you for your suggestion' screen after suggesting
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Never heard anything about that, either.
Did you reply to the confirmation request email after submitting application?
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Old 08-03-2007, 12:16 PM
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You would have got a 'thank you for your suggestion' screen after suggestingDid you reply to the confirmation request email after submitting application?
Yes. And heard nothing thereafter.
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Old 08-03-2007, 05:30 PM
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Yes. And heard nothing thereafter.
There should have been a reply. Head over to Resource Zone and ask status of editor application.
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