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I see nothing there that implies DMOZ is providing any sort of service to webmasters nor do I see anything there that implies editors are obliged process submissions.

This following sentence implies just that.

Here's the definition of subject, as a verb of course, for your convenience; in case the subjectivity eludes you.
but that's nit picking, instead, I'll leave you with this.

god i'm such an asshole.


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I was wrong when I pointed out that GNN.tv was not listed at DMOZ but was so at BOTW even though it had a history of quality content. It turns out the site is included in dmoz.org under this url: Guerrilla News Network.

Instead I will now point out that ScrewAttack.com is not in DMOZ but is in BOTW and i'm sure we can all agree that screwattack is a damn good site, especially since the AVGN joined the cast. pure awesomeness.

I guess we will have to leave it there. You have a different perception of DMOZ than the volunteers who are building the directory.

I'm sorry I pick on you martty, but you came here with a lot of answers and gave a lot of advice to all those who submitted sites. You also gave a lot of insight on what an editors side looks like.

I am not behind the "editor panel" so to speak. I tell it like it is from the webmaster's perspective because that's who i am. I'm also a smart ass and i'm glad you toughed through it all - but i wanted you to understand where this perception comes from, that all sites submitted will be reviewed at least once: from the dmoz website itself.

The best way to shut me up was to show me where in the guidelines it says that an editor reserves the right to review a site at their own discretion and may choose not to exercise that right altogether and fill the listing through other means. Something along those lines.

I DO appreciate the input you give to all the posters, not just myself; every bit counts to understand what happens.

I'd still appreciate it if you could take a look at my own website, I sent it to you through private message - of which you might be getting a whole bunch since you started dishing out answers for this thread.

I'd just like to keep my ties to certain sites private. all sites actually.

so with all that said, thanks martty.

Visit my personal blog to find out how much corruption in Dmoz. Editors are giving free (sorry chargeable ) advice to webmasters.

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i think you should read that e-mail over again. Although it is poorly written, the e-mail is not selling a dmoz listing, it's selling a dmoz listed site, gaddis.com. the purposefully poorly formulated sentences engage you into what might be a pay alternative to DMOZ.

but this is blatantly opposing everything for which DMOZ stands for.

Another thing, stop reading your spam.

To me, the real question is since DMOZ is irrelevant for all practical purposes anymore, why do DMOZ discussions go on for pages and pages...

Because, unless you've got your head under a rock, DMOZ is most assuredly NOT irrelevant.

Thousands of small and private directories use its' information to list sites that have already been categorized in relevant pages and many of these are directories currently list competitor's sites.

Without a listing in DMOZ, there's no way in and it's a small advantage my competitors enjoy in that, because they're not paid links, they get more link juice from Google.

I'd love to have tons of FREE links in relevant directories that I don't have to submit to or manage and I'd truly appreciate any increase in pagerank that a listing in DMOZ might produce.

I just hope I live to see the day when the floodgates open and the two sites I've submitted are listed.

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Absolute rubbish - there is absolutly nothing in that about corruption in DMOZ - please supply one piece of evidence about people paying for a listing. Repeated posts in forums by disgruntled webmasters is NOT evidence. Please show us.

{EDIT} I see you now have removed it. Are you going to apologise for the slur?

Very good point. It only a link.

from a webmaster perspective, it's a link that other sites will copy since they copy the entire directory, sites like google.

Getting a link from dmoz also puts the link in question on a site that is very popular and deemed of quality and authority.

so when you think about it, it's not just 1 link, it's several links, and not just any link, a quality link at that.

that;s why.

Dosen't Googles duplicate content filter negate the juice from the other 2999 directories that use DMOZ's database

i didn't say anything about link juice. although it might have been implied when i said "quality link" i would point out that search engines only facilitates traffic, it is not the only precursor to the flow of traffic of a site, especially not a new one.

don't forget other engines that may not be enforcing[as we know] the duplicate content disposal such as Yahoo!, Ask, and Live[/shudder how i try to forget live...]

I like many other people who have posted in this forum have been having problems with dmoz. I understand that the amount of submissions have been astronomical but I has been more than a year since my company attempted to enter various sites into various different categories. One of them being Best Sellers - Office Furniture from ATD-AMERICAN I was wondering if there were any dmoz editors or anyone else who could help me out. Thanks in advance.

I submitted a site to DMOZ.

Never heard anything.

I submitted an application to become an editor in a field I have some expertise in.

Never heard anything about that, either.

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You would have got a 'thank you for your suggestion' screen after suggestingDid you reply to the confirmation request email after submitting application?

Yes. And heard nothing thereafter.

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There should have been a reply. Head over to Resource Zone and ask status of editor application.

It was so long ago I had forgotten about it until I saw this thread.

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Funny thing about this thread, I agree with everyone. In this day and age why do we need DMOZ? After all humans are prone to mistakes, corruption, bias and opinions. I gave up on DMOZ years ago and the thrust of my marketing is "pay to play" on Google and Yahoo. I farm out my SEO work and seems to work fine.

I dont Get AOL and its strategy, I guess someone on the board gets there jollies watching the soap opera that is DMOZ. Its useless and Google knows it. Yahoo is closer to the answer for human editors, pay them to do it and keep the drama out of it. I found out when I was assigned my own adwords rep and sheled out a half million a year for the number on spot in search term with adwords that my life got easier.

My advice about DOMZ is forget about it, do your seo stuff, pay for placement if you can. Adwords is great and bid prices seldom affect your bottom line. The strategy for 2007 and beyond is a combination of SEO and "pay to play". Works for us and leaves a lot of time for other things, like enjoying life.

What is good news? ... or you just link dropping?

I took almost two years but one of the sites I manage finally got listed today.. hoo-ray!

Sad state of affairs over there.

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It would have taken you less time to become an enthusiastic editor and list it by yourself.

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Impossible? You just underestimate the time.

I did apply a few years back but my application was refused because I lacked the experience and writing abilities they deem necessary to be able to contribute at such a high level.

BTW, the reason the site I was talking about got listed was because The National Post did a feature on it in the Weekend Financial section.

It would appear that I need not have bothered carefully selecting a category, writing an accurate description or title since the Editor completely ignored the submission anyway.

So, that's the key then. Make some news in a bigshot rag and they'll toss you into the directory within a week.

More than half the new sites that get listed in DMOZ were never submitted in the first place.

My point precisely. So, why do we even bother with submitting a site?

It's most definitely an exercise in futility.

EXACTLY - its up to you if you want to suggest a site.

Its been said ad nauseum in this thread that won't die that the role of an editor is to build a category (and not process submissions). Editors use multiple sources to find sites to add. The pool of suggested sites is the worse source of good new sites, so editors are under no obligation to even use them.

All suggesting a site does is increase the chance that an editor might see your site and consider it for a listing.

Plenty of other directories provide a submission processing and listing service.

Well, I don't know about that. I was an editor for years and we primarily processed submissions. And we were encouraged to help out in cats where there were backlogs ... things *could* have changed, but from the editors I still know, I'd say they haven't ... The real "push" for new sites was usually about expanding your area; if you wanted a new category, the thing to do would be to create the category in your private bookmarks and build that out with new sites. Once you had a really healthy, well written "mock" category, you applied for the job. Once you had the job, you were usually busy enough with submissions. And you were encouraged to accept them unless they were true spam.

Now, certain categories may have a different culture, as it were, but that's how it was where I worked.

BTW, congrats, Dubbya!

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When I was an editor I almost never looked at the submitted sites for my categories. Just way to much rubbish submitted it was a waste of my time to look through them to find worthwhile sites. I did occasionally scan the list of sites for good prospects.

it feels prostrating if you submit your site to dmoz and expect to see your site there but its hard. lol

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How hard is it to become an editor to Dmoz? Do they actually approve people or is it just a web ring of few?

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I heard at one stage that around 100 new editors get approved each month.

Nice! I will let you know how it goes.

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Has anyone had a successful communication with DMOZ in the last three years?

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Has anyone EVER had a successful communication with DMOZ?

I've been waiting 3 years to get listed there. Submitted my site once a year... total waste of time.

The best way to get listed is to gain mention in a popular mainstream newspaper.

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Hi all

I had quite a negative view of DMOZ when I first submitted our site. The big problem is lack of editors. Persistence really pays off though, we got our site listed eventually though it took several attempts and a long time. So anyone tempted to give up, I'd suggest sticking with it. Also there are paid directories which rank well and are highly regarded which you can submit to while you are waiting. (Granted there is also a lot of dross which isn't worth the time of day)!

Hope this helps.

Mike

Every time you resubmited, you just overwrite the previous submission with the new date --- you keep moving yourself o the back of the list! You were the reason it took so long! There is NEVER a need to resubmit.

Hi Martty

Thanks for that. It wasn't that I resubmitted very regularly though, we followed their guidelines. (can't remember off hand what they recommended). The problem seemed to be getting into popular categories which lack editors. We got our Belgian site listed in Flemish very quickly, but eventually had to settle for a much more obscure category for our UK site just to get it vetted.

Cheers

Mike

Hi Quick Questions re DMOZ:

1. I know that the DMOZ search engine is not very accurate. Someone said to use another search; does anyone know where or how to do that?

2. I have a site that I am not sure has been submitted to DMOZ. Is there a way to check and see if it has? I do not want to submit multiple times.

Thanks all!

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You can search the dmoz site to see if your domain name comes up, or alternatively if you know the category it was submitted to can check whether its there.

Cheers

Mike

for whatever its worth, yes, they actually do approve people to be editors. The problem is that there are thousands of categories where there is no editor. If you submit to one of those un-manned categories, your listing may never be reviewed.

They are not punishing anyone, its just that the numerous categories have no one looking at them.

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Who cares!

DMOZ has become largely irrelevant. There was a time a few years ago when Google used DMOZ descriptions for its SERPs descriptions but dropped it realising that many sites were not included, and I think they are now well aware of how it has been corrupted.

The point is, search engines have killed directories, DMOZ is too big and unmanageable, and since its voluntarily edited it's not surprising that some editors are corrupt. Frankly, given how little I assume people use directories (other than for mass marketing or searching) it seems an awful waste of time being an editor simply to 'shut out the competition'.

I've never bothered applying for a listing and I doubt it makes much difference now, from a link perspective you're buried so deep it's hardly worth it.

I really wouldn't lose sleep over it.

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I also give up an DMOZ. I submitted 3 sites over the last 3 years and heard nothing back. Not even a rejection message so at least I know I am no longer in the queue. I don't know what they're doing there or what they are supposed to do, but dmoz.org lost its "glamor" and I believe it's about time the search engine to drop the importance of dmoz links.

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Google still does use DMOZ listings - which ki8lls me since I inherited the listing that was written and I cannot get them to change it.

Site in wrong category
No editor for that category - or the correct category
editor is about 5 levels up (sports)

I applied to be an editor and have been denied twice - Don't they want help????

So I am stuck in Google SERPS with this inane description that says nothing about us, while ankle biting competitors and web Dealers have nice flowing descriptions and better organin listings

I hate DMOZ.

Rather than get all bitter and twisted about it, why not just use the noodp meta tag and Google won't use the DMOZ description!

Quite agree

five years ago when we were in the process of buying as many links as we could to get to the top for many insurance keywords ( and it worked!) , we stumbled across a DMOZ editor.

Not only did he sell us thousands of pounds worth of links from his chartered architecture websites, he also arranged to get loads of links in various dmoz sections that are still there today!


DMOZ involves humans -humans like programs can be corrupt

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It's been over a year since my last submission so I resubmitted today.

Let's see what happens.

(I'm not holding my breath)

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Why did you do that for? You just overwrote the previous submission with the new date and moved your back to the bottom of the list if the editor sorts the pool of sites by date of submission)

I think that any submission that sits in a que for more than a year has either been ignored or denied.

I've been waiting 3 years, what's it going to hurt at this point?

They might be short on Editors but 3 years? Seriously, it's a poor system.

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