Unless I was drunk (which is entirely possible!) :) I am sure - it is the only URL I have ever had. (We incorporated in 1997) I am going waaaaaay back. When I stumbled on dmoz I thought it was a really cool idea and I submitted.

Ah the good 'ole days when getting a good rank in the engines was free and all you needed was good metas to magically appear.

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Is someone saying there is actually someone that lists sites at dmoz. . Nope, I do not believe it.

If you find anything of mine in there - get it out., I wouldnt be seen dead there ...

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No surprise a DMOZ editor leaps to defend the DMOZ.

How can you state "having no editor has nothing to do with it"? when you then say, "maybe the reason ..."? Maybe? If you don't know with certainty, how do you know the editor has nothing to do with it? Perhaps it does, as your follow-up was vague at best. And maybe the guy *did* check the DMOZ forum (resource-zone.com).

Why not bash the DMOZ - many of the "editors" deserve it, as has been documented above.

My own experience is mixed - one URL, two category submissions, one accepted, one still - STILL - in queue - after 1 1/2 years now. I also applied for an editor position to help out, but the application was apparently lost.

Old directory, badly in need of an overhaul.

Bill M.

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I am curious as to where you are getting your information from? Since this thread started DMOZ has listed >750 000 sites.

CBP

DMOZ's experience is that you broke the submission guidelines by submitting to more than one category and now you are complaining about it ....don't figure..

DMOZ is the largest directory on the www (no other directory comes remotely close)
DMOZ is the fastest growing dirctory on thw www (no other director comes remotely close to DMOZ's past and current growth).
That does not look like needing an overhaul.

CBP

cbp - I only look at the classic car section. . happy to argue about how useless this section is and its faults. But I do not think I want to do it online. My opinion of DMOZ is very very poor, I would hate to take it out on the one editor (seemingly) that seems at least to be attempting to achieve something.

Basically DMOZ is not looking after searchers, yes I could gratefully accept another dozen visitors, But DMOZ does not like the way my site is configured. OK. . But please accept a lot of us do not like the way your site is configured. Let the users decide . . that's my solution.

I would not be seen dead with my site in DMOZ (attempting reverse phsychology here)

I have a ton of classic car classified ads -
Your users do not see them on your site unless I rebuild my web site ????
http://www.restored-classics.com/parts - sounds silly to me!

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Well Bill, I'm not an ODP editor ...

DMOZ may not be perfect, but continually bashing it can serve little use except to waste your own time and efforts, and degrade what is otherwise a very respectable and powerful source of information.

Saying "many of the editors deserve it (bashing)" is like someone labeling an entire police department as bad apples because of one bad cop or experience.

I won't lie and say that my experiences with ODP have been 100% great, but I don't waste my time fretting over it when I could be focusing on getting other things done like building more content, pages and links.

With every birthday, I remind myself that I'm always too young to think I know it all, but more importantly, I'm too old to get wrapped around the axle over things that I can't control.

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"DMOZ's experience is that you broke the submission guidelines by submitting to more than one category and now you are complaining about it ....don't figure.."

Catagory??? in the classic cars section - DMOZ has not bothered to list a vehicle make catagorie for classifieds. my site that is medium sized catering for classic car enthusiast has well over 120 seperate catagories in classified adverts for "chevrolet" about the same for 'Ford'.
As far as I could find you only have a catagory for 'classifieds'. . let the users do the searching? - terrific policy..


The submission guidlines on my site are a lot simpler. you send me an advert - If I can read it, understand it and it looks honest I will list it even if I have to make a new catagory - I list over 200 classic car ads per day seven days a week. (and delete them to)

The difference in submission policies is that I want more parts to list because thats what my users want.
Dmoz creats submission policies to stop people listing, not realy worried about what users want....

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The rules appeared to have changed in the year and half since my submission. It stated that one could submit a single URL to a regional and a subject category. Even in my submission thread, moderator "Hutcheson" says as much:

"We can't speak for your priorities. But some sites potentially have both local and global focii, and we are happy to list them twice (although, as you see, sometimes we are quicker with one or the other listing.)"

I wouldn't have submitted to two proper categories had DMOZ said it was not acceptable.

The U.S. government is the largest goverment on the planet (no other government comes remotely close.) It and the DMOZ are inefficient, unorganized, and rife with conflicts of interest and graft (see examples above).

Question: do you perceive the DMOZ as perfect? You have yet to agree with any point offered.

Bill M.

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DMOZ is not perfect. But, you are basing your critisicm of DMOZ based on your misunderstanding that DMOZ is a listing service for webmaster. Its not.

CBP

No, I'm basing my criticism of DMOZ based on (their) seeming incompetence and malfeasance.

As for the former, I submitted an application to be a moderator for a category that I'm familiar with, and with which out of 18 displayed links, there are at least thee of which are dead or dormant. DMOZ "lost" the application.

As for the latter, even a few ex-DMOZ moderators have admitted as much in the above thread.

You didn't admit to your own error of (at least at one time) the allowing of potential multiple categories, though you leap to accuse of others of misinformation.

It is clear that you are blindly defending an online directory merely due to being part of it's internal process, and despite the dozens of claims of incompetence and corruption.

Bill M.

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Well, I hardly "continually bash" the DMOZ - I put my 2 cents into this singular thread for a grand total of maybe 10 minutes of writing time. And my pennies won't degrade the DMOZ - like a beauracratic entity, it's been doing that on it's own for some time. To use your analogy, it's much like the LAPD of the '90's - not just one bad cop or experience, but a multitude.

Bill M.

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Came across this page that explains the guidelines a DMOZ editor looks at when considering your real estate site for submission to DMOZ. It appears that real estate sites come under closer scrutiny (probably rightfully so) and if you follow these guidelines you'll hopefully stand a better chance of having your site approved. Hope it helps.

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Sorry, Tubby. . . according to my calculations, you have only listed 66,000 or so since this useless DMOZ permathread started, to DMOZ 75,000 (with how many editors?)

But according to http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?p=193060

Maybe the new rules guidelines should be:

• just forget about DMOZ - why waste your time finding the category and submitting
  unless you are an insider, of course ;)

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" Sorry, Tubby. . . according to my calculations, you have only listed 66,000 or so since this useless DMOZ permathread started, to DMOZ 75,000 (with how many editors?)"

WOW!, somebody counted them?

can you count how many users DMOZ sent to relevant sites?

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The most amazing part of the DMOZ issue is that Google is what made DMOZ relevant and all. I know the concept for why DMOZ was originally created, but it derailed from that noble path soon after it was first created.

The only reason why DMOZ is still around is because webmasters feel it could give their sites some kind of SEO advantage (you are fooling yourself if you think it is traffic they are looking for).

And the only reason why webmasters think it has some kind of SEO advantage is because Google has kept it afloat in their algorithm. DMOZ is bad enough, but I blame Google for not waking up 5 years ago and eliminating DMOZ as a possible factor.

Here Here

I second that thought - I have only one of my many sites in DMOZ (from a looong time ago, when it was a real directory), and it appears to make NO difference whatsoever (except for the cool little icon you get at the bottom of Firefox if you have the PageRank plug-in). . . if we (the webmasters) would let it die, then it would.

What is a shame is that there seems to be no positive leadership. Obviously there must be a core bunch of editors that put the hours in. Its a shame that they seem to get side tracked into a non productive existance.

Google? Well, people lie, cheat, steal content, buy, bribe, (I do not know of anyone that has killed to get google recognition) but It would not surprise me. Google has caused a lot of damage to the search market. Ad revenue has 'Twisted' what was once called content into anything that can be conjured up to display on a web page. DMOZ is caught slap bang in the middle and has no-body at the helm with enough 'charactor' to straighten it out . . Who is in Charge of DMOZ anyway. Wheel this person out so I can take a look at who it is. . Lets get some direction from the driver of this monster. . Or it it rolling along with an L plate on the front..

Editors have taken a fair bit of flack in this thread, Some of them are defending in a manner that would be envied by many a general as their troops go down one by one in the final onslaught. I do not feel comfortable picking on editors. . I want somebody bigger. . I want to meet the general that is sacrificing his troops. .

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Ah Tubby,

DMOZ is like a virus/cancer - lots of minions and nobody driving the boat. . .

yeah, submitted http://www.mysolitaire.com to dmoz over 6 months ago, but no reply...
wait, wait, wait, until you just keep waiting.. there must be editors that some people know???
where are these guys to help us.

....and every time you have resubmited you have done two things:
1. Created a whole lot of extra work for editors to delete them
2. Overwritten previous submissions with the new date, so movd yourself to the back of the "queue", if the editor chooses to sorts submision by date ....

You really need to stop submitting....

CBP

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"You really need to stop submitting.... "

That pretty well sums up DMOZ.

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Someone chooses to spam DMOZ, then comes here and complains they are still waiting to get listed ....don't figure.

CBP

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"Someone chooses to spam DMOZ, then comes here and complains they are still waiting to get listed ....don't figure."

I went back a few postings looking for the reference. are you looking at things that I cannot see?

Are you saying a submission every six months is considered spam?

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It was this post:No...in the case in question it was way more often than every 6 months. BUT, resubmitting at any interval serves no purpose except to put your site at a disadvantage.

CBP

well CBP I shall be leaving the subject alone for a while. I shall probably call back in another 6 months . .

. I Still want to meet the general that is sacrificing his troops. .

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There is none. Its a volunteer comunity effort. It obviously works well as its made DMOZ the largest and fastest growing directory.

CBP

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"It obviously works well as its made DMOZ the largest and fastest growing directory."

NO, It does Not obviously work well,
I have seen Nothing to suggest that user searches have grown.

So, nobody in charge? well this says it all,

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Quit wining about the problems that dmoz is facing and give a solution.

My solution is that people with Big Mouths should join Dmoz as an editor and help out instead of blaming and cursing the people who put in their valuable time and effort and maintain a great directory.

Another reason why their work and dedication needs support is because dmoz is still FREE.

While the others have started minting money.

Although many website owners would not mind paying a little fee for prompt review and possible inclusion.

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'people with Big Mouths should join Dmoz as an editor'
Dmoz has either ignored most big mouth applications or reJected them, DMOS were mostly the cause of the 'big mouth' syndrome.

I shall be slowly testing my own thinking on my own directory.

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Curious to know where you get this information from? DMOZ adds several 100 new editors each month. The only applications that get rejected are from those who DMOZ does not want as editors (eg for the sample sites submitted, they were either inappropriate for the suggested category; contained grammer errors in descriptions; or were not guideline complaint; etc: or affiliations were not properly declared; etc)

CBP

O.K. I just made a submission.

Category: Shopping: Classifieds: Automotive: Free

site url: http://restored-classics.com

Title of site; restored-classics.com

Site description: Free classified adverts for all makes of cars, parts, and wanted items listed by individual owners and buyers.

email address; paddy3@tpgi.com.au

but I suspect you will find an obscure link somewhere that does not work. or your editor will not like the number of links on this page. or the editor has his own classified site. . Or?

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So that explains why I've been rejected. I use proper grammer (unless I'm having fun with someone), state every site I'm affiliated with (about 30 at the moment), suggest valuable resources that aren't in the directory at all that I'm not affiliated with, and do so in categories that I've been watching and haven't seen any updates in 6 - 12 months for. So the reason is that they don't want me. I feel so... wanted.

Oh, just kidding. I have been rejected multiple times and have followed the guidelines as best as I could, but they always say that the category either has decent coverage already (as evidenced by the 6 - 12 months between updates) or that it's too large of a category for a newbie (as evidenced by the 5 - 10 unrelated links in a category of 20 - 30, with the truly useful ones being left out.)

I've just decided that my time is too valuable for them now, so no more bothering with trying to help out. I'll submit, then forget... until the next submit and forget... or the next time I can't find decent results between MSN, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves and Google. I can only remember about 3 times that DMOZ has given me something the engines didn't, but I was thankful at that point.

Brian.

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Hi All,

I'm not really surprised that this thread is still going.

I like many others have had hit and miss experiences with DMOZ. We follow all the stupid little rules that don't really seem to apply to a certain group. That group being the ones who dominate the DMOZ in multiple categories.

I like brian.mark have given up. We now submit it and forget it. I can not for the life of me see how giving the ultimate power to bias humans can be in the best interest of all concerned.

A few years ago I thought the DMOZ would be the great equalizer. I now see that it I just another avenue that is easily exploited by those who who don't give two rips about searchers finding the most RELEVANT information.

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Why haven't you submitted the site listed in your sig to the Prattville, Alabama category? I'm not seeing it waiting there, and I'm just curious why you wouldn't have submitted it there. Wouldn't it be good to be listed in the locality where your business is located?

Now that DMOZ/ODP no longer accept posts about site status in their forum, and you get penalised if you submit a site more than once, how is anyone to know if there was a problem with their initial submission.

Sounds to me as if DMOZ/ODP is a complete waste of time, if even if it is free.

There are plenty of other free directories out there who are only too happy list your sites.

DMOZ/ODP stating that they don't include new submissions to a category if there are already to many similar sites in that category, is stupid to say the least.

That would be like your local telephone directory not listing all the people with the surname Smith because there were to many people with the same surname. Totally stupid.

I submitted my site http://www.murdertodiefor.1l.com 3 months ago, so far nothing, I'm not holding my breath, I'll just wait and see and get on with my life.

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I agree.

I am going to accept above quote;) ...even my own site (seoconsultant.in) submitted in March 2005 ... since that category has been updated so many times.

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Where did you get that rubbish from? - no one is penalized for submitting more than once.
If you got the thank you sceen after submitting then it is extremely unlikly that there is a problem.
That is becasue they provide a listing service for webmasters - DMOZ does not provide that service.
Where did you get that rubbish from? - no one from DMOZ has ever said that. It is just as stupid to make this claim up and try to mislead people.
Despite the 24 pages of this thread, you are laboring on the misunderstanding that DMOZ exists to provide a listing service to webmasters and process submissions when it does not provide that service.

CBP

HINT: you want a regonal listing and you have no contact address?

CBP

I wrote:

cbp wrote:

On the ODP site under How to suggest a site to the Open Directory they wrote:

cbp wrote:

Ok that's true, but the site makes it very clear that Murder To Die For are based in the UK. The contact pages contains 3 UK phone numbers, these are for use as a point of first contact. After we haved been contacted, if necessary we will quite happily give out a contact address.



Editor's Note: murdertodiefor, don't offer spelling corrections unless all of your copy is correct. the word "have" does NOT have a d.

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I wasn't taking about your site.

CBP

Then what were you talking about, DMOZ doesn't ask for contact details, except for an email address, when submitting a site.

Sorry Ed. Point taken.

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[quote="murdertodiefor"]cbp, was talking about seoconsultant.in site.

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Sorry cbp I got confused.

First signs of old age.

I'll try to pay attention in future.

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I submitted http://www.taxivantha.com for the first time some months ago but nothing happened... After browsing through this here thread, I get a general idea of the problems DMOZ is confronted with.

Awrite! The category I applied for has little entries and no editor. Cambodia is after all not a very popular destination. I didn't write any grammar errors nor spelling mistakes. So it should not be too difficult to get accepted.

I don't know how DMOZ operates, maybe the reason it took/is taking so long to review my application is exactly that there is no editor!

We'll see. I'll report what happens, if this thread is still running by the time anything happens to happen. So if you guys hear nothing from me about this application, you know I'll still be waiting.

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and don't blame.

If dmoz editors do their job, (better than e.g. SE's) they are monitoring your (submitted) site.

Thread finished.

Continue here:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=49792

since that may clear som misunderstanings.

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I submitted a site to DMOZ. It took at least 6 months to get listed. I never got any communication from them- I don't think they bother to tell you if your site has been added or declined. You just have to keep checking their site.

Then a few months after DMOZ listed the site, Google dropped it. I have no idea why. I thought Google was supposed to favor sites in DMOZ. So much for that theory. The site is still in DMOZ, BTW.

I can't get onto DMOZ at the mo. Their site has either gone down temporarily or has been down.

i don't know. Errr, anyone?

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Works fine for me.

Nope. I've tried again and still nothing.

Honestly cbp, I am not making it up. I promise (*grins*)

Its been down a full day for me. And I never dissed them once. >:-(

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