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Is someone saying there is actually someone that lists sites at dmoz. . Nope, I do not believe it.
If you find anything of mine in there - get it out., I wouldnt be seen dead there ...
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How can you state "having no editor has nothing to do with it"? when you then say, "maybe the reason ..."? Maybe? If you don't know with certainty, how do you know the editor has nothing to do with it? Perhaps it does, as your follow-up was vague at best. And maybe the guy *did* check the DMOZ forum (resource-zone.com). Why not bash the DMOZ - many of the "editors" deserve it, as has been documented above. My own experience is mixed - one URL, two category submissions, one accepted, one still - STILL - in queue - after 1 1/2 years now. I also applied for an editor position to help out, but the application was apparently lost. Old directory, badly in need of an overhaul. Bill M.
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cbp - I only look at the classic car section. . happy to argue about how useless this section is and its faults. But I do not think I want to do it online. My opinion of DMOZ is very very poor, I would hate to take it out on the one editor (seemingly) that seems at least to be attempting to achieve something.
Basically DMOZ is not looking after searchers, yes I could gratefully accept another dozen visitors, But DMOZ does not like the way my site is configured. OK. . But please accept a lot of us do not like the way your site is configured. Let the users decide . . that's my solution. I would not be seen dead with my site in DMOZ (attempting reverse phsychology here) I have a ton of classic car classified ads - Your users do not see them on your site unless I rebuild my web site ???? http://www.restored-classics.com/parts - sounds silly to me!
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DMOZ may not be perfect, but continually bashing it can serve little use except to waste your own time and efforts, and degrade what is otherwise a very respectable and powerful source of information. Saying "many of the editors deserve it (bashing)" is like someone labeling an entire police department as bad apples because of one bad cop or experience. I won't lie and say that my experiences with ODP have been 100% great, but I don't waste my time fretting over it when I could be focusing on getting other things done like building more content, pages and links. With every birthday, I remind myself that I'm always too young to think I know it all, but more importantly, I'm too old to get wrapped around the axle over things that I can't control.
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"DMOZ's experience is that you broke the submission guidelines by submitting to more than one category and now you are complaining about it ....don't figure.." Catagory??? in the classic cars section - DMOZ has not bothered to list a vehicle make catagorie for classifieds. my site that is medium sized catering for classic car enthusiast has well over 120 seperate catagories in classified adverts for "chevrolet" about the same for 'Ford'. As far as I could find you only have a catagory for 'classifieds'. . let the users do the searching? - terrific policy.. The submission guidlines on my site are a lot simpler. you send me an advert - If I can read it, understand it and it looks honest I will list it even if I have to make a new catagory - I list over 200 classic car ads per day seven days a week. (and delete them to) The difference in submission policies is that I want more parts to list because thats what my users want. Dmoz creats submission policies to stop people listing, not realy worried about what users want....
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"We can't speak for your priorities. But some sites potentially have both local and global focii, and we are happy to list them twice (although, as you see, sometimes we are quicker with one or the other listing.)" I wouldn't have submitted to two proper categories had DMOZ said it was not acceptable. Quote:
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As for the former, I submitted an application to be a moderator for a category that I'm familiar with, and with which out of 18 displayed links, there are at least thee of which are dead or dormant. DMOZ "lost" the application. As for the latter, even a few ex-DMOZ moderators have admitted as much in the above thread. You didn't admit to your own error of (at least at one time) the allowing of potential multiple categories, though you leap to accuse of others of misinformation. It is clear that you are blindly defending an online directory merely due to being part of it's internal process, and despite the dozens of claims of incompetence and corruption. Bill M.
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Came across this page that explains the guidelines a DMOZ editor looks at when considering your real estate site for submission to DMOZ. It appears that real estate sites come under closer scrutiny (probably rightfully so) and if you follow these guidelines you'll hopefully stand a better chance of having your site approved. Hope it helps.
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" Sorry, Tubby. . . according to my calculations, you have only listed 66,000 or so since this useless DMOZ permathread started, to DMOZ 75,000 (with how many editors?)" WOW!, somebody counted them? can you count how many users DMOZ sent to relevant sites?
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The most amazing part of the DMOZ issue is that Google is what made DMOZ relevant and all. I know the concept for why DMOZ was originally created, but it derailed from that noble path soon after it was first created.
The only reason why DMOZ is still around is because webmasters feel it could give their sites some kind of SEO advantage (you are fooling yourself if you think it is traffic they are looking for). And the only reason why webmasters think it has some kind of SEO advantage is because Google has kept it afloat in their algorithm. DMOZ is bad enough, but I blame Google for not waking up 5 years ago and eliminating DMOZ as a possible factor. |
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I second that thought - I have only one of my many sites in DMOZ (from a looong time ago, when it was a real directory), and it appears to make NO difference whatsoever (except for the cool little icon you get at the bottom of Firefox if you have the PageRank plug-in). . . if we (the webmasters) would let it die, then it would. |
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What is a shame is that there seems to be no positive leadership. Obviously there must be a core bunch of editors that put the hours in. Its a shame that they seem to get side tracked into a non productive existance.
Google? Well, people lie, cheat, steal content, buy, bribe, (I do not know of anyone that has killed to get google recognition) but It would not surprise me. Google has caused a lot of damage to the search market. Ad revenue has 'Twisted' what was once called content into anything that can be conjured up to display on a web page. DMOZ is caught slap bang in the middle and has no-body at the helm with enough 'charactor' to straighten it out . . Who is in Charge of DMOZ anyway. Wheel this person out so I can take a look at who it is. . Lets get some direction from the driver of this monster. . Or it it rolling along with an L plate on the front.. Editors have taken a fair bit of flack in this thread, Some of them are defending in a manner that would be envied by many a general as their troops go down one by one in the final onslaught. I do not feel comfortable picking on editors. . I want somebody bigger. . I want to meet the general that is sacrificing his troops. .
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yeah, submitted http://www.mysolitaire.com to dmoz over 6 months ago, but no reply...
wait, wait, wait, until you just keep waiting.. there must be editors that some people know??? where are these guys to help us. |
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"You really need to stop submitting.... " That pretty well sums up DMOZ.
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"Someone chooses to spam DMOZ, then comes here and complains they are still waiting to get listed ....don't figure." I went back a few postings looking for the reference. are you looking at things that I cannot see? Are you saying a submission every six months is considered spam?
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well CBP I shall be leaving the subject alone for a while. I shall probably call back in another 6 months . .
. I Still want to meet the general that is sacrificing his troops. .
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"It obviously works well as its made DMOZ the largest and fastest growing directory." NO, It does Not obviously work well, I have seen Nothing to suggest that user searches have grown. So, nobody in charge? well this says it all,
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Quit wining about the problems that dmoz is facing and give a solution.
My solution is that people with Big Mouths should join Dmoz as an editor and help out instead of blaming and cursing the people who put in their valuable time and effort and maintain a great directory. Another reason why their work and dedication needs support is because dmoz is still FREE. While the others have started minting money. Although many website owners would not mind paying a little fee for prompt review and possible inclusion.
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'people with Big Mouths should join Dmoz as an editor' Dmoz has either ignored most big mouth applications or reJected them, DMOS were mostly the cause of the 'big mouth' syndrome. I shall be slowly testing my own thinking on my own directory.
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O.K. I just made a submission.
Category: Shopping: Classifieds: Automotive: Free site url: http://restored-classics.com Title of site; restored-classics.com Site description: Free classified adverts for all makes of cars, parts, and wanted items listed by individual owners and buyers. email address; paddy3@tpgi.com.au but I suspect you will find an obscure link somewhere that does not work. or your editor will not like the number of links on this page. or the editor has his own classified site. . Or?
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Oh, just kidding. I have been rejected multiple times and have followed the guidelines as best as I could, but they always say that the category either has decent coverage already (as evidenced by the 6 - 12 months between updates) or that it's too large of a category for a newbie (as evidenced by the 5 - 10 unrelated links in a category of 20 - 30, with the truly useful ones being left out.) I've just decided that my time is too valuable for them now, so no more bothering with trying to help out. I'll submit, then forget... until the next submit and forget... or the next time I can't find decent results between MSN, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves and Google. I can only remember about 3 times that DMOZ has given me something the engines didn't, but I was thankful at that point. Brian.
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Hi All,
I'm not really surprised that this thread is still going. I like many others have had hit and miss experiences with DMOZ. We follow all the stupid little rules that don't really seem to apply to a certain group. That group being the ones who dominate the DMOZ in multiple categories. I like brian.mark have given up. We now submit it and forget it. I can not for the life of me see how giving the ultimate power to bias humans can be in the best interest of all concerned. A few years ago I thought the DMOZ would be the great equalizer. I now see that it I just another avenue that is easily exploited by those who who don't give two rips about searchers finding the most RELEVANT information.
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Now that DMOZ/ODP no longer accept posts about site status in their forum, and you get penalised if you submit a site more than once, how is anyone to know if there was a problem with their initial submission.
Sounds to me as if DMOZ/ODP is a complete waste of time, if even if it is free. There are plenty of other free directories out there who are only too happy list your sites. DMOZ/ODP stating that they don't include new submissions to a category if there are already to many similar sites in that category, is stupid to say the least. That would be like your local telephone directory not listing all the people with the surname Smith because there were to many people with the same surname. Totally stupid. I submitted my site http://www.murdertodiefor.1l.com 3 months ago, so far nothing, I'm not holding my breath, I'll just wait and see and get on with my life.
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Sorry cbp I got confused.
First signs of old age. I'll try to pay attention in future.
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I submitted http://www.taxivantha.com for the first time some months ago but nothing happened... After browsing through this here thread, I get a general idea of the problems DMOZ is confronted with.
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If dmoz editors do their job, (better than e.g. SE's) they are monitoring your (submitted) site. Thread finished. Continue here: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=49792 since that may clear som misunderstanings. |
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I submitted a site to DMOZ. It took at least 6 months to get listed. I never got any communication from them- I don't think they bother to tell you if your site has been added or declined. You just have to keep checking their site.
Then a few months after DMOZ listed the site, Google dropped it. I have no idea why. I thought Google was supposed to favor sites in DMOZ. So much for that theory. The site is still in DMOZ, BTW. |
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