...geeeeez I thought this thread had runs its course

Anyone can go back and read that you provided not one piece of proof of corruption. You repeatedly sayng there is corruption because your site has not been listed does not make it true. (I shouldn't need to remind you that it was YOU that repeatedly broke the DMOZ submission guidelines, but I will restate it for those who have come to the thread late)

CBP

BTW - since this thread started DMOZ has added around 30 000 sites!

gworld,

With all due respect, if you'd have taken all the time and energy you spent in this thread and all the time and energy you have spent doing your "research" and put it towards something like, I don't know, say making more money, you'd have been able to start and staff your own directory.

Your conviction to your "cause", although quite misguided IMHO, is admirable. Your means, method and medium is not.

If you truly wish enlighten others to your assertions, put together and publish an extensive exposé or documentary chronicling your research and findings.

Dave

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CBP, your post is as honest as DMOZ itself but it is only natural since as one of the professional DMOZ defenders, you have to ignore the facts and justify DMOZ at any cost.

here is the link to my previous post with a name of editor and how to check out the facts through Google.

my previous post dated oct 26

By the way, how many of 30,000 added domains are owned by the professional DMOZ defenders in this thread?

Crankydave, thank you for suggestion about making money but I am 45 years old and already retired for 9 years, so I think I have done quite well and that is the reason I don't have to be one of the professional defenders of DMOZ and can speak my mind freely.

There is nothing in that post of yours that deals with facts - as has been pointed out by so many in this thead to you, but you appear to not want to listen.

I guess we just go our seperate ways - you can still continue to be delusional in your belief in the extent of the corruption and DMOZ will keep adding 2000 sites a day that are not owned by professonal DMOZ defenders.

CBP

While I haven't read every single post in this thread, I have read many and thought I would offer this article for more information or click HELP on the top bar at dmoz.org

http://dmoz.org/newperms.html

Just to make sure that it's clear, that document is actually intended for current editors who are applying to take on a new category, not for people who are applying to become a brand new editor. I think the title on that doc should probably be changed to reflect that.

I cannot really complain. *All* of my entries have been accepted, generally it took from 3 to 6 months. But then, all of our sites have "valuable content", so to speak.

Some of our descriptions have been altered, though, mostly to the bad. There seems to be a policy to "equalize" the texts, which in some cases lead to totally weak descriptions, bordering on irrelevance. Honi soit qui mal y pense ... (cbp, I am aware of the fact that one should not use merketeer language. We dont, we just describe what the site has to offer, in plain terms.)
But descriptions like "The company presents itself and its services" (how descriptive!) or "Hotel XXXX: The site presents their gastronomical offerings" (plain wrong in that case) - what kind of "ODP-diploma" do you need to crank out such rubbish? HIGH STANDARD? Is there any "quality control" at ODP?

ODP boasts of the "high standards" an applicant has to show before he becomes an editor. Question is, what happens to all those "high standard editors"? Do they get brainwashed or what? No other way to explain some of the listings. *If* the editors add only sites with valuable content, then why do they take the trouble to not show this in the descriptions, by all means?

As I said, in general I really cant complain. And I noticed that most of the descriptions have been updated recently, which was overdue. Good work.

I fully understand the intentions of ODP, but if you give yourself such high goals, you have to live up to the expectations to some degree. Seen through the eye of a user, not a webmaster. CBP stated that ODP is adding 2000+ sites a day (or was it month? correct me) ... I say: better add only 200+ but edit them with the often-quoted "high quality".

Alex

Editors are instructed to follow the section of the guidelines that talks about how to write descriptions (http://dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html#descriptions). When an editor is trying to write a good description they are usually looking for something unique about that particular web site that sets it apart from all of the others in that category. Too often all of the web sites in a particular category offer pretty much the exact same product or service which makes it hard to find anything unique to write about. Remember that we're not describing the product or service, we're describing the web site - it's up to you to describe on your web site why your product or service is better than the others. If you are seeing descriptions that do not meet the guidelines, then feel free to use the "update listing" link at the top of the page and submit your suggested changes.

OK! OK! First of all, im a DMOZ editor. Second, yea, it HAS like a thousand flaws and yea, there exist corrupted editors, and yea, some of the editors are really rude and they suck, BUT!

There is really no alternative to DMOZ at the moment. I don't even wanna hear about JoeAnt or Zeal, i applied for both and frankly they are so idiotic that i couldn't add a single site. Unless im a complete idiot myself. They dont even come close to DMOZ. And if Google was using one of them, the number of people disgruntled would be at least double in my opinion.

There is this problem with DMOZ editors... THEY DONT GET PAID. Now many of you will say "great, why dont pay them say, 2 cents per edit". But then some of them may abuse it and that would be another problem.

As for the editor application thing, i've applied a month ago for another additional category and still no answer. =P

Also, i reported a meta once for abuse. You can all guess what happened to him (nothing =P). But of course maybe i should had contacted the admins directly, i guess it was my fault.

Oh well... DMOZ isn't perfect, but it's the best there is. I mean recently i listed my site in the MSN small business directory, and they even had me change the description because "it had too many keywords". Imagine, you pay for it and you cant even get the description you want... bah.

Oh and when you submit your web site, PLEASE make our lives easier and write a good description. I mean, you know that if it's not proper it will be changed. Why bother us? This could be an extra reason to get rejected you know... You don't want to piss off the editor. =P

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OK! OK! First of all, im a DMOZ editor. Second, yea, it HAS like a thousand flaws and yea, there exist corrupted editors, and yea, some of the editors are really rude and they suck, BUT!

There is really no alternative to DMOZ at the moment. I don't even wanna hear about JoeAnt or Zeal, i applied for both and frankly they are so idiotic that i couldn't add a single site. Unless im a complete idiot myself. They dont even come close to DMOZ. And if Google was using one of them, the number of people disgruntled would be at least double in my opinion.

There is this problem with DMOZ editors... THEY DONT GET PAID. Now many of you will say "great, why dont pay them say, 2 cents per edit". But then some of them may abuse it and that would be another problem.

As for the editor application thing, i've applied a month ago for another additional category and still no answer. =P

Also, i reported a meta once for abuse. You can all guess what happened to him (nothing =P). But of course maybe i should had contacted the admins directly, i guess it was my fault.

Oh well... DMOZ isn't perfect, but it's the best there is. I mean recently i listed my site in the MSN small business directory, and they even had me change the description because "it had too many keywords". Imagine, you pay for it and you cant even get the description you want... bah.

Oh and when you submit your web site, PLEASE make our lives easier and write a good description. I mean, you know that if it's not proper it will be changed. Why bother us? This could be an extra reason to get rejected you know... You don't want to piss off the editor. =P

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Spend your time optimizing for GOOGLE, YAHOO, MSN and forget DMOZ, What is all the HOOPLA about!

People give DMOZ more credit than it is worth, I have one site listed with them but gave up on the others almost 2 years ago and concentrated on the others.

Today I recieve over 5000 click throughs thru GOOGLE and almost that from YAHOO. MSN now lags way back in 3rd place since there transformation, though I am certain that will come around.

Even Markeleap.com took DMOZ off their search engine reports, months ago!

Just a suggestion!

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I respect the fact that you acknowledge the fact there is corruption. My thing is that I would LOVE to not get paid if it meant I had complete control of a catagory that I probably need to manipulate. DMOZ is corrupt and I can not believe Google still uses them. That is why I tend to find some very irrelevant results on Google from time to time, if not daily.

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And once again, please don't exaggerate this issue of corruption. I don't think that anyone would deny that a few editors do slip through the application process who do have their own agenda, but for the most part not too many of them last for long before someone notices something fishy going on. And for all the talk I see in these forums about the rampant corruption at the ODP, it's always surprising to me how few abuse reports get filed about this issue. We have a very good abuse reporting system, and contrary to the internet rumour mongers we really do appreciate people reporting any hint of abuse, and we truly do act on them.

donaldb,

I have submitted a very relevant site to this catagory http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/
Texas/Localities/D/Dallas/Business_and_Economy/Comput
ers_and_Internet/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/

The company Age Of Design that is in my signature. The site does not promote SPAM nor affiliate links yet it eludes that very specific catagory for a dallas web design firm. I must say that I have a description that should be allowed also. Every site I submitted to DMOZ has never been accepted yet I go to the EXACT catagory where it should be and follow the guidelines clearly. All of those catagories such as web design, undergarments/lingerie and so on are controlled by the ones that I guess "slipped through" the application process.

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May I point out that there are various Anti-DMOZ sites that have the many horror stories of those who tried to get listed as well as ex-dmoz editors who actually were the good ones and somehow got removed from their editing privilages because.... maybe the corruption lies on the higher levels..

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They are either hoaxes or there is another side to the story that is internal to DMOZ's working that is not told (it is unfortunate that all those factual errors and the REAL story does not get told). I am sure you don't beleive everything you read on the internet.

CBP

From what I can tell, your sites have not yet been reviewed by an editor. How does that equal corruption?

CBP

CBP, I have submitted AOD before and it was rejected and ignored on occasions. The sites I am focusing on basically are the ones that arent in my sig. I have had many of the sites rejected even though even the editor said it was a really nice site. They just didnt want to add any more into that catagory at the time. I come to find out soon afterward by another editor that the editor that rejected the site was removed because of corruption.

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Where did all of these discussions with editors take place? Most people claim that they can't get even one editor to reply to their e-mails, and you've got two editors chit-chatting with you and telling you why they haven't listed your site :) Are you sure that these people really were editors?

Could you give me some more information about this situation? If they really did do that, then they obviously deserved to be booted. We need to make sure that this is documented so that the editor doesn't get back in.

It has never been rejected.

CBP

I also went through all of the sites listed on your "Clients" list on AOD and I only found one that has actually been looked at by an editor, and that particular site is listed in the directory :) I don't see any that has ever been rejected. I would be interested to see which one has been rejected.