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Old 05-12-2004, 01:15 PM
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Default How To Optimize Your Images For Image Search

Do the images on your website appear in Google's image search? If you're selling products they should. If you have pictures of yourself on your site those should appear in Google's (and Yahoo's) image search too.

EGOL, a poster in the SEOChat forum, claimed he got over 5000 click throughs one month from the Google image search. He also claims that "you can promote some products better in google images than you can in the SERPs," and goes on to suggest that you, "pick a good image that represents your product well.

This article will address some image optimization techniques so your images will rank well in the popular image searches with examples from forums and my own excruciating personal experience.

One obvious tactic is alt tag text optimization. Make these descriptive and include the keyword that you want the image found for. Some forum members suggested that putting the images in html files named after the keyword (keyword.html), putting the keyword in the title as well as your H1 tags on the page where the image appears could improve the ranking of your images in the image search.

Jtatcu of the JimWorld forum said that besides "having the alt tag describing the picture, you should name the picture under the keyword you want it to be found, i.e. a picture of a car should be nissan-maxima.gif with the alt tag being Nissan Maxima." I found evidence of this too.

Be specific in your alt description - if you're selling blenders and have pictures on your site label them with their actual product names. (This has the added benefit of showing descriptive text if a visitor's browser doesn't show your images.)

One poster indicated that alt text that she optimized for the seeing impared hindered her optimization for image searches (perhaps because they, by necessity, included natural language that gums up ranking).

Kusadasi-Guy, an SEOChat member, suggested that she "use [the] thumbnail system, [and] put each image into separate html pages."

If your search term is relatively uncompetitive, there's a good chance that simple on page text could raise your image to the top of the image search. For (one excruciating) example, if you search Rafael Robinson" (quotes or not) then the top two images that appear are from pictures from a photoshop contest in WebProWorld.

This same search in Yahoo shows my horrific photoshopped image in the third position.

Rafael Robinson, my co-worker and "good buddy," got up early before work one morning to put my head on the body of Fat Bastard, a grotesque character from the second and third Austin Powers movies. (And that's what really bothers me - that he got up early to make that image. He also does all my special pictures in the WebProNews issues.) He's tickled to death that his hard work shows up when you search his name.

Notice that on the forum page Rafael's name is bold, which may lend a bit of weight to the term in the algorithms.

It's also important to notice that Google picked up the picture above his name too. I'm not sure what the proper distance should be, though it's clear that if your images are too close together the Google image search may assume that surrounding images are related to a given term. (Has anyone tested this?)

Yahoo image search only showed the Fat Bastard image, leaving out the Garrett as Picard picture. This indicates that the Yahoo image bot may only look below the text.

The Garrett-as-Fat-Bastard image also shows up first if you search "Fat Bastard," which indicates the power of naming .jpgs after the term you want to have showing up for your search terms. (Its url: http://images.ientrymail.com/designn...at-bastard.jpg.)

For the Fat Bastard search in Yahoo images my picture comes up 11th, with actual images from the Austin Powers movies coming above.

To me this indicates Yahoo's image search for this term is more relevant than Google's, as your average user who searches for "Fat Bastard" in an image search most likely isn't interested in a photoshopped image of me.

Rafael, however, feels the Google results are "far better" for the "Fat Bastard" search.

Rafael's picture doesn't show up in a Google or Yahoo "Rafael Robinson" search, but it does show when you search "RafaelRobinson." (Google:: Yahoo)

This image never appeared near the text of his full name - Rafael Robinson, indicating that to optimize your images for multiple search terms you should put in dashes (- my fat bastard picture ends with fat-bastard.jpg, and ranks #1 in Google for "fat bastard").

Special thanks to Rafael for pointing out where my image ranked in Google for a search on his name, and thanks to Barry at SEORoundtable for inspiring this article.
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It's funny after image optimization will come catalog optimzation then blog.. then god knows forums, etc...

What a Brave New World we live and work in!!!
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Hey Aussie,

You'll love tomorrow's WPN feature article (forum optimization :)
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You'll love tomorrow's WPN feature article (forum optimization :)
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Hi Garrett,

I really enjoyed your posting, and learned a great deal from it.

My question is, don't you think that this Google image search just makes it easier for people to steal your image(s)? I think it is a great idea to be listed, especially to showcase your work and drive traffic to your site. Of course you can do watermarks and disable the right click, but there are so many other ways people can copy an image. Have you read anything about this concern?

BTW, love your Fast Bastered picture ;-)

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One is a marketing perspective: images can help drive traffic and since not very known will be good for awhile.
Yours is a copyright concern... one that is never ending with the web... though there are encryption programs being refined right now that will help and also help you track the offenders...
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Hi Aussie,

I agree with you on both counts. Yes it will drive traffic to the site and certainly if you do photography or manipulation this will be a big bonus. But yes, we have to somehow protect copyright and I wonder if Google has considered that.

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Isn't there a service that can notify you if someone uses your "word" or trademark? Don't think this would work for an image though.
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I agree with you on both counts. Yes it will drive traffic to the site and certainly if you do photography or manipulation this will be a big bonus. But yes, we have to somehow protect copyright and I wonder if Google has considered that.

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It is not really their responsibility to cover copyright... though they have worked with trademarks to a point so am sure it is a consideration... maybe the need to consider recording info of site location helps when people contest usage
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From a merchant perspective, would a separate website with "optomized" images, that if clicked on went to your website with the shopping cart be something to develop?

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My strange story about image optimisation.

Firstly, I regard myself as a google search for image addict. I've been at it for years as my site is rich in graphics, and thousands of visitors a month come through that route.

But recently, with the changes in google, i decided to optimise even more by placing a descriptive and informative passage of text about the image (e'g the mating habits of the Gwondalaland Tit Mouse:), and see if this would affect my rankings in google images. I hadn't been too worried about image optimisation anyway as I already saw no decline when google changed it's text based search method. It was more of an experiment to see if i could get further up the image search ladder.

That was about 3 weeks ago. The new optimised images haven't even appeared on Google yet, but...Yegods! I checked my google stats yesterday. It seems that google text search had picked up the new image pages and my rankings for one went from nowhere to Number 1 (for a very popular search term) and many other to the top ten. As a result visits have increased enormously.

A strange google world, but it makes me think that google places brownie points on having images (large sized?) relevant to some descriptive text in a search? Who knows, but I am rushing to do similar pages in similar formats and see what higher perches I can land on. I'm also eager to see when and if my images climb the image searches as well.
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Hi all;

I have read my mails and noticed that Garrett is mentioning about one of my post this morning;
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Kusadasi-Guy, an SEOChat member, suggested that she "use [the] thumbnail system, [and] put each image into separate html pages."
And few minutes ago, i have uploaded my new picture gallery and would like to share some techniques with WebProWorld's community.
Here is the URL:
http://www.kusadasi.biz/kusadasi-pictures.asp

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function popUp(theURL,h,w,name,features)
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var s = "HEIGHT=" + h + ",WIDTH=" + w + features;
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onclick= "javascript: popUp ('pictures/2004-gallery/mixed/your-keywords.htm', 600, 640, 'new'); return false"
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Anchor Text#1< / A >
This is a simple Thumbnail System and now i can create my small html files with unique title tags, meta tags, alt attr. and some p tags. And i believe this is a powerful gallery.

Hope this post is useful for every member of the WebProWorld.

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I have found this discussion very interesting.

My website (http://apache-warrior.motorcyclecity.net) is top ranked in Google for my chosen keywords and I even have a pictures page on my site.

I have ALTed my images, used descriptive text, and keywords in the filenames.

Yet I get the "Your search did not match any documents." response in Google's Image Search.

Does anyone know what the problem would be?
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I have found this discussion very interesting.

My website (http://apache-warrior.motorcyclecity.net) is top ranked in Google for my chosen keywords and I even have a pictures page on my site.

I have ALTed my images, used descriptive text, and keywords in the filenames.

Yet I get the "Your search did not match any documents." response in Google's Image Search.

Does anyone know what the problem would be?
Hi, image size are also important. Whats the dimensions of your images?
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I have graphics of various sizes from thumbnails to full page.
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My question is, don't you think that this Google image search just makes it easier for people to steal your image(s)?
Jan
This response is a bit late, but I actually became a member (now), to answer you.

This is a dilemma; If you upload pictures on the web, someone might steal them.

If you dont upload them, noone can steal them, but then also noone can see them.

eg. If you are scared that someone will steal your images, the sollution is not to remove them from the google listing, but it's to watermark them or not put them on the web at all.

You might also hide some things from "guests", by making a login system for your regular users.

If you make your website with a programming language, you can make a system that stores all your images in a database, then you make a script that makes a watermark on the picture and displays that temp. picture to the user.

This system will make some system load, but unless you have millions of of hits per hour, like I guess noone on this forum has, I dont think that extra system load will affect your server.

My system, I programmed so that the watermarked image is all that the users see, but I didnt replace the original image that my users upload.

eg. I keep the original image, make a watermark temp. image which is then destroyed when the session times-out.

You could also replace the original image with a watermark image and keep a backup of the original image (without watermark).

Programming languages, like PHP for example, have powerfull image-editing functions. You can put a transparent gif on-top of another image, careless if it's gif, jpg, etc.
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Isn't there a service that can notify you if someone uses your "word" or trademark? Don't think this would work for an image though.
If you have a copyright notice on your images/design, you can contact the hosting-firm that the offender is hosting your files on.

I meerly put my url on the images, I dont put "copyright". I have a copyright notice on the site though.
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DaButcher is great that you joined the forum. This is a wonderful place to learn and share.

You are right about the watermarks. I have done this for a client as her art is her business, but I didn't do that with my own images on my site.

Thanks for the response, and it's never too late!

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