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As I was reading your post, I noticed that you were considering using a subdomain mobile.yourdomain.tld. Instead, I would recommend redirecting mobile users to a .mobi website. There are two main reasons for this.
1) If you do not claim the .mobi domain name someone else most likely will. 2) People using mobile browsers will look for the .mobi domains when they are searching or browsing the web. Hope this helps! |
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I don't agree with using a .mobi domain name as you can end up with duplicate content issues... Obtaining the .mobi address can be a good idea but just point it to your site.
Using a mobile style sheet would be my personal preference as people get to know your domain name (branding a single domain instead of multiple tlds). Either way, make sure, once you have any of the solutions set up, to submit your site to mobile search engines and don't forget to submit a mobile sitemap to google!
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Just use a mobile stylesheet. It's what they were designed for.
As to the .mobi thing, I personally think that this push to use it is so that domain speculators can reap the benefits of all those (otherwise useless) names they scrambled to buy when the tld was introduced. IMHO, there's no need for a .mobi name. You may choose to snag yours and redirect to your main domain, but I really have trouble believing that no one will find you if you don't use it. |
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I did a lite version of my business site, with just contact info and the bare essentials, it works well on the emulator that I tried, and it must be working for the users, since I am being contacted by that means. I built it with tables, which I now understand is a no no, but since it works, I am leaving it as is!
I built it on a .mobi, because I had some other content on another.mobi, and while I was ignoring it, it earned me a few hundred bucks in affiliate ads! I think people are underestimating the potential of this extension, and the extent to which the public is using it! I have a half dozen of them, and they are all bringing in money, with very little effort. I think because there are so few mobi sites, and people have had such bad luck accessing regular sites on mobile devices, they go to the mobi directories when they get bored, and start clicking!
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In the past, I've used Gary Keiths browser detection software to serve up a different, heavily cut down site when a mobile user is detected. This seems to work well and is not notably "error prone".
Would I do it again? Probably not. I think IncredibleHelp's got it right when he says that it won't be necessary much longer. Some content optimization can be done using a mobile stylesheet and I would recommend going that route in the short term. |
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First you need to decide which versions of handhelds you are supporting. dot mobi name is not good to type using numeric keyboard, so m.yourname.com could be better solution.
separate CSS media="handheld" can be the solution if you can implement the pages this way. However, those will be shown on all handhelds same way. XHTML-MP is very limited too. More complex systems are using WURFL libary to detect mobile device capabilities and format the output their way. For example image resizing is one of the issues to sort out. If your site is using Javascript, forget it.
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Well, so far as I know most mobile clients don't fully support the media="handheld" attribute anyway.
Furthermore, I advise you that you build a different site compared to your main site. Focus on what a mobile visitor WANTS if he visits your site. Think about one-handed typing, bad light conditions and slow bandwidths. As for the domain, I guess a "mobile.domain.com" or "m.domain.com" ist best, maybe with an additional *.mobi redirected to it, too. |
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I wouldn't bother doing anything about mobile traffic unless I was getting a significant amount of mobile visitors
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when you add media="handheld" to the <link> tag Code:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="handheld" href="foo.css" /> So far as support for the 'handheld' media type goes, it was slow to catch on however now I think you'll find the majority of mobile or handheld browsers do support it. Seems the it has better support using <link> over <import> also. It would probably be a good idea to have a mobile only site or page as PixelPusher mentioned in that small site link to the full site though for those that have unlimited web and want to take the time. I know I use my PDA in wifi mode quite extensively and it's an older model win mobile 2003. Hope that helps...
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mobile web browsing is already big business - I read somewhere that 40% of web traffic globally is on mobile phones.
BUT!! most sites do not suit mobile browsing in their current form - mainly because of 1. images - banwidth humgry and generally add nothing 2. site layout and navigation differences are needed So my suggestion, build a site suited to mobile if you think there is a change a mobile browser will stop by. |
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Most sites with mobile likely get more traffic from directories then they do from mobile. IMO, you can start now if you are pretty sure of the needs of the user and can provide a solution that meets the needs. For example walmart could have a map and search that showed where products are available or store locations near you. Anything beyond that is IMO, putting the cart way before the horse. Users will not shop on mobile they'll use it to find a location/contact info and product availability. IMO, only a moron believes people in NA will shop on a mobile phone. Outside NA and in particular emerging economies like India and China there are different user preferences for connectivity and devices. They are more likely to shop online with their phone because Internet connections are more costly than in the developed world. The problem here is that most of the phones sold into these markets are the cheaper phones which often don't support the internet. Certain elements of the industry are promoting mobile as being needed now but... that's just to put a$$es in seats at mobile seminars and conferences. AIUI, The total traffic is less then 1% why worry about that. It's kinda like sweating about getting no traffic from ODP! The traffic is not a technology issue, it's a cost issue, and I'm fairly certain here in Ca. the telcos will keep it like that for as long as they can. The all you can eat data plans in the US will help and it will be interesting to see how that changes the traffic totals. Quote:
IMO, CSS is always a klunky kludge that seldom works as expected on all platforms! I'd use it for marking up different blocks/areas but beyond that I think it is pretty wonky and I wouldn't be counting on it to handle something as complicated as marking up a different platform/device.
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MattE not doubting you but... what is the source of that 40% figure and was it including data/phone calls? A lot of phone calls are now routed over the net so... is that applicable to our discussion? I'm fairly sure about the <1% but couldn't find my source for that. It may have been something I saw on a business channel on TV. I get the feeling that figure is like the 1,000,000,000's of "references" yellowpage directories claim are using the yellow pages. Yeah, sure I use it as a doorstop but... is that a reference when I place it in front of the door?
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I thank you all for your advice and comments so far. For my site, mobile traffic is definitely not trivial, and although it does not lead to high conversions (possible because the site looks awful on handheld devices) we see the traffic as a chance to generate leads and build our brand.
For me, the more I look into my mobile traffic (which over the last few months has grown to nearly 10% of all traffic to my site, which is what got my attention) the more I see a need to develop the mobile capability as a completely seperate site. It seems that mobile users are looking for different information, and would benefit from a different environment. However, now it comes down to what the best way is to get the mobile users to the alternate site. Would you recommend forcing users to the mobile/desktop site based on browser detection, or would displaying an appropriate message to the users advising them of the existence of the other site be better?
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Wige, I don't know that browser detection will work all that dependably on this platform. I think you're better off putting a link right at the top of the body, and also using the mobile stylesheet, so they at least get a somewhat stripped down version so they can find that link easily, without a lot of cruft meant for bigscreens.
Let us know how it goes.
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<div class="skipLinks">skip to: <a href="#content">page content</a> | <a href="pageNav">links on this page</a> | <a href="#globalNav">site navigation</a> | <a href="#siteInfo">footer (site information)</a> </div> div tag in some of the templates. I think that same method can be used for mobile devices. See the first post in this Bots and crawlers are not "human beings" yet. thread for additional information. Google: class="skipLinks" class="skipLinks" mobile or variations thereoff.
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As to detection I've used browserhawk (windows component, and no I think it's stupid to use it to cloak) for years. I prefer to detect things with components at the server level rather than JS at the client level and the component isn't dependent on JS. I'm not a big fan of using JS for anything especially when it affects user experience. Sorry if you are on the NIX. I'm not a lot of help since going to the darkside in 98.
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We have taken an entirely different approach. We have set up small areas just for the mobile devices, and have a new URL redirected to the page. As an example, when deploying our software for Treo users, we direct them to LoadTreo.com, which is tailored for that device's screen size, and has the links to deploy our packages.
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