Can someone please help? :

[mjw0212]

Hello all

I've recently published my first site (http://www.uktelematicsonline.co.uk) and already submitted it for for review on this site.

However, there is one specific problem I cannot fix: You may notice at the bottom of all my pages there is a block of empty space. The Software I am using to design the site is Netobjects fusion 8. The area at the bottom of the page is part of the 'Defaultmasterborder'. In the design view the lower border appears to be right up below the text navigation bar. But as you can see there is all this space.

Can any of you see from my html if there is a reason for this? It's as if there is an object filling this area - but I cannot see it and apart from the text navigation bar, it should be empty.

I really appreciate any advice you can give.

Thanks

[wrmineo]

There's a million possibilities with this one - any one of which could negate the other ... confuse yet? I was when I looked at your code:

• multiple head tags
  multiple body tags
  multiply closing for each of the aforemention
  many more ....

Start by cleaning your code, which can start by easily identifying the errors at W3C and fix them one at a time, or a few at a time until your code is right and then .... viola, your page will likely look like it should.

Good Luck!
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[drummin]

Besides the before mentioned...

The line of code,
<TR VALIGN=TOP ALIGN=LEFT>
<TD COLSPAN=4 HEIGHT=947></TD>
</TR>

Is what's making the page show all the "White Space."
Remove the HEIGHT=947 and the bottom space is removed. Really this section doesn't contain content but not wanting to mess up unknown colspans or rowspans I won't say remove it.

Be sure to fix the other problems mentioned.

[mjw0212]

Thank you wrmineo and drummin

You're both right, the code is a bit of a mess. The multiple head and body tags were caused by me adding javascripts to the page. In the design view I was trying to position the "add me to favorites" button or the bbc new feedroll, etc. on the page by adding a layout region and then pasting the script into the layout region html. There has got to be a better way. How do I place scripts on the page in the place I want them, without creating multiple head, body tags?

You were right about the cause of the white space. To test waht you suggested I first did a view source, copy and pasted into frontpage, viewed the html, cut the offending height marker and the white space disappeared.

However, when I went into Netobjects fusion 8 and went to the html view, I could not see this specific part of the html. I don't know if fusion displays all the html. Any suggestions?

[ADAM Web Design]

I'm going to give you a piece of advice you probably won't like, but I really think it's the best answer:

Code the sections of this site by hand. And if you don't know how, learn how. The problem with NetObjects Fusion/FrontPage/Dr*amw*av*r/other WYSIWYG editors is that they generate bulky, inefficient, problematic code. This is what leads to problems with excessive white space, lack of code validation, and cross-browser issues.

You can go about it two ways (and both work pretty welll):

1) Skeletal building. This is where you start out by creating a wireframe layout (boxes) based on the various sections of your site and then fill in the sections.

2) Section building. Code one section, fill it in, get it to work, and go on to the next section.

Eventually, you'll get what you want and with a lot less code and more importantly, a lot fewer code issues. And you'll have learned something very, very useful.

[webhost1]

Nice post Adam. Good advice. The only way of find the errors.

[mjw0212]

Hello All

Once again thank you for your advice. I know you're right about the wysiwyg editors, but for many web newbies who cannot, or do not have the time to code, they are a means to an end.

I've learned an awful lot doing this, my first site. I think next time I'll try and do things a little differently.

Thanks

[webhost1]

Your welcome. Hope you enjoy what your doing. Good luck.

[mjw0212]

Hello All

Thank you all for your help. I just thought I would let you know that an empty layout region in one of the pages, seemed to be causing the "white space" at the bottom of the page.

These wysiwyg editors do have their benefits but the downside can be some really messy code, especially when you start departing from the "one size fits all" templates.