Site plummeted down google.com

[usearchme]

Hi guys

Im pretty new to this site, but have come looking for some advice.

One of my site is a .co . uk domain and was on page 1 of google . com for many of its keywords I had worked hard to get there.

But my site more or less over night plummeted off google . com and is now on page 11 ewwww

I am shocked by the way my site plummeted so seemingly mercylessly, I have asked around on many a forum but no one seems to have any decent advice.

In fact the consensus seems to be accept it, its because my domain is . co. uk and my site is hosted in the uk and dont expect to rank high on google, of course I dont expect this but I worked hard to get where I was and this is pretty hard to take after working so hard to get my site to where it was.

Any help or comforting words would be very helpful lol

Woc

[nirose]

that happens to new sites and blogs cuz google is trying to figure out where to rank the site by gathering info about the site. After they figure out where to keep you your rank is made on the search engine.

[usearchme]

Yup happens to some sites that are new, however my site is 5 years old and ive worked hard for all of them to get my site to where it was !

Woc

[MayaLocke]

It looks like there may have been a major Google update this week. Don't panic, give it a few days and see if the results settle down.

[usearchme]

Thanks for the advice maya

Woc

[Webnauts]

The were several major updates this month, and I would advise you not to rely on hopes to come back. Just a tip.

[usearchme]

Err well that doesnt really help my problems webnauts, have you any idea what kind of updates ? as i would like to find out why my site plummeted ?

Woc

[watto]

usearchme, many sites have 'plummeted' , as you put it over the last few weeks due to googles major, major update.

I would suggest checking your link pop as a start. I am guessing you have lost a lot of links, as many sites have experienced.

watto

[usearchme]

Hi there

Yes you are right my link popularity as gone down, not sure why that is, are there any theories on why this is happening ?

Woc

[williamc]

When sites linking to your sites links get devalued, your link count drops as a result naturally. Couple that with the fact many times webmasters change pages and drop a bunch of links, close their sites down, etc. and you get a diminished link popularity.

[usearchme]

Hi there

Thanks for the advice, i will just sit and wait till everything settles down and then go again at building my site up again, the annoying bit is that sites that are a lot worse than mine are fine, some with no quality of content what so ever ahead of me on serps, which is pretty hard to take as a webmaster !

Woc

[usearchme]

Have changed this now, and interestingly enough some of my keyphrases have started to climb back up google.com not sure if this is co-incidence or not mind !

woc

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by usearchme

Err well that doesnt really help my problems webnauts, have you any idea what kind of updates ? as i would like to find out why my site plummeted ?

Woc

Unfortunately there's nothing you can really do. We are all at the (un)mercy of G f'ups. As William mentioned about "devaluing links", obviously they have had yet another "brain hemorrhage" and deleted a few more billion pages from their index: The G WMT area was showing a few thousand IBL's for me. Now?? 79!!!!! So because these jerks deleted all of those other webpages and websites from their index, I (we) too get ruined because of it, proving once again their IBL-based philosophy is totally anencephalic and is ruining the internet.

Both of my main websites were deleted shortly before this. Only recently did they finally return, but of course destroyed in the G SERPS. Thanks again G.

All we can hope for as legit whitehat site and business owners, is the demise of G. Then we can all forget about this internet-pollution-spawning scam-spawning PR crap, IBL's, worries about who's linking to you trying to harm you, etc., etc., etc., then have to be only minimally concerned about Y and MSN.......who never pulls any of these harmful, damaging G stunts.

If all the totally in-the-dark "joe surfer" G users KNEW what G was doing, if they knew about their atrocities and tainted SERP's, the heart attacks, strokes and even suicides they have caused, they would stop using them. But because every moron on TV mentions them as a verb thousands of times a day and thinks they are the only SE on the planet, we're still doomed.

All those like us can do is pray, spread the word, or go black-hat since G loves black-hat websites that blatantly defy their own guidelines for inclusion. ("the annoying bit is that sites that are a lot worse than mine are fine, some with no quality of content what so ever ahead of me on serps, which is pretty hard to take as a webmaster"). Exactly. Time for my heart medication and Diazepam again.

Maybe things will change for you and I, maybe not. We'll just remain stressed-out over it from now on wondering what will happen next, and next, and next.........with each of their irresponsible screw-ups.

[williamc]

Tell us how you REALLY feel Clint1

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by williamc

Tell us how you REALLY feel Clint1

HA!!

Well I just realized that not only did my site get destroyed from a PR5 to a 3, but as of today, it's a TWO!! 12 year old website with THOUSANDS of IBL's, suddenly to 79, according to the evil thugs at G. I am so freakin' screwed and ruined. Another suicide on the way.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Clint1

HA!!

Well I just realized that not only did my site get destroyed from a PR5 to a 3, but as of today, it's a TWO!!

How comes? Is there a PR Toolbar update today?

[flanok]

I never trust any information that G gives during a large update or updates like this. I have seen it many time before, where I have lost thousands of pages or links just to see then return later.

In my case they never disapeared, it was the repoting on G not showing me accurate information.
As usual we will have to wait until we get a hint that this large update is finished and we will then know where we stand.

Of couse G never stops implementing small changes (450) year they say, so you should never just assume your positions will remain.

A lot is being said about the no follow tag no longer letting you sculp page rank, so this will affect millions of sites and any sites they link to.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by flanok

A lot is being said about the no follow tag no longer letting you sculp page rank, so this will affect millions of sites and any sites they link to.

It is not clear if all that this is true. Do yourself a favour and take some minutes to watch Dan's video: Google's "Operation BENDOVER" Exposed - Nofollow & PageRank Sculpting

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

How comes? Is there a PR Toolbar update today?

Yeah, on one of the G threads around here mentioned it. It wasn't "today" or yesterday, I think it was over the past week or so.

[ChiefLee]

Overall my SERPs have been improving, and my organic traffic is up. But two key phrases dropped significantly these last couple of weeks. Yep, I'd say Google did indeed make a change in their algorithm recently. I assume they make tweaks constantly. But something they tweaked didn't like us indexing for these two phrases.

[usearchme]

Hi guys

Would like to thanks people for their advice, although no one really told me anything I didnt already know lol, it seems google have changed their algo slightly, have tidyed up my site and a lot of my keyphrases for google.com have returned, contary to the advice i received on many forums saying a .co.uk url will never rank well on google.com !

Woc

[earnest]

Originally Posted by usearchme

a .co.uk url will never rank well on google.com !

That will depend on what you do to make it rank...

[thebloke]

I've seen all sorts of crazy results over the past couple of weeks.

Search results for the same phrase returning anything from 3.4 million results, 4.8 million, 10.8 million and even 18.4 million - going up and down like a bride's nightie.

Also, I've seen one of my main landing pages appear in the top 10 then disappear completely again the day after, only to return again shortly after.

While all this is going on, searches for other, longer-tail phrases for the same page have consistently remained at #1.

WMT is also reporting daft information that simply isn't true and doesn't correspond with Google Analytics.

I'm not panicking, I'm just going to sit tight and see what happens over the next week and take it from there.

[thebloke]

Update - 10.6 million results today and back at #10!

[peter250]

Some of my sites are the same, one day im 1st in google, next days im page 9. Just keep updating and targeting your chosen keywords.

Goodluck

[thebloke]

2.8 million results and #6 spot on page 1 today.

Read a good article here http://econsultancy.com/blog/4229-ar...results-broken

[cz]

Webnauts - link to video works, but video doesn't.

I've been hammered as well. Not a sale on a 7 yr old, good money site, in 6 days!

I re-installed the GG toolbar to see what was up and and still holding a PR3 but second teired pages showing PR0, 90% of them, with a few at PR2. All product pages (third tier buy button) are PR0.

What irks me, is that I had the site re-done about 5 months ago and re-wrote all of the copy - every page of it and all good unique stuff with an eye for customer appeal, SEO, titles, descriptions, kws everything in order.

GG toolbar shows they see this stuff as having no importance! PR0

I even ran the damn pages through SEO workers page analyser until they came out almost perfect!

It's going to be a gift from the Almighty or this business is going under!

[williamc]

Originally Posted by cz

GG toolbar shows they see this stuff as having no importance! PR0

Get decent links pointed to the site, then wait til the next Foolbar PR export. PR has nothing at all to do with anything but links. Not page content, design, age, nothing.

[cz]

Get decent links pointed to the site, then wait til the next Foolbar PR export. PR has nothing at all to do with anything but links. Not page content, design, age, nothing.

Thank you williamc,

I will try my best. I'm in Y! directory, BOTW, DMOZ won't accept it (told me "never") JoeAnt and a hundred others. I'll read this forum extensively in the next 2 weeks and try to make a plan for obtaining some quality links to the site.

I have a few good sites in mind right now but they'll only reciprocate but they're good and high trust type of sites. I haven't done reciprocal for years but what the heck?

Your input is appreciated as always!

[logico]

Its natural...a newly indexed sites ranks well for some days and suddenly pummels downward.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by cz

Webnauts - link to video works, but video doesn't.

I've been hammered as well. Not a sale on a 7 yr old, good money site, in 6 days!

I re-installed the GG toolbar to see what was up and and still holding a PR3 but second teired pages showing PR0, 90% of them, with a few at PR2. All product pages (third tier buy button) are PR0.

What irks me, is that I had the site re-done about 5 months ago and re-wrote all of the copy - every page of it and all good unique stuff with an eye for customer appeal, SEO, titles, descriptions, kws everything in order.

GG toolbar shows they see this stuff as having no importance! PR0

I even ran the damn pages through SEO workers page analyser until they came out almost perfect!

It's going to be a gift from the Almighty or this business is going under!

The exact same thing happened to me on a 11+ year old site! You're lucky it's only been 6 days for you, I've had about 3 sales in over a MONTH!! Thanks google.

G doesn't care about content. G doesn't care about uniqueness. G doesn't care about quality. G doesn't care about usefulness. All those idiots care about is PR!! "Quality links" are irrelevant, because these idiots constantly change THEIR OWN definition OF "quality links" by f'-ing with their algos!! We are all slaves to who links to us!! The success of our sites is dependent upon OTHER SITE OWNERS!! Idiocy. For if they don't have to the need to link to us, we are then "totally useless and irrelevant" in the eyes of google.

To those that keep insisting "PR doesn't matter", that's a myth and fallacy. Go check out your WMT console and look at the IBL's to your site now! Mine dropped from THOUSANDS, to 79!! Oh yeah, right, suddenly ~3000+ webpages just deleted my links all at the same time. Right. These jerks have gone and deleted millions more pages from their index, those millions of pages obviously were linking to your/our/other victims' websites. So since they trashed them, as far as G is concerned; all the links we've been working to get for a decade or whatever, are GONE!! And as always, we suffer the consequences and penalty for their spawn-of-satan PR fiasco.

When PR drops now, so do your pages indexed! Contrary to some's belief, the supplemental index exists. And when our ONCE PR4/5 pages get screwed to a PR0, they also get deleted from their main index and "sequestered into the bowels of some other G index" where no one will ever see them unless the search is for "a totally unique search phrase in quotes that happens to appear on your webpage". Not to mention, uninformed "joe surfer" users are told, and told by google, that PR means the "quality and usefulness of a webpage". So they are not only screwing site owners by these global page deletions, but also with a slanderous erroneous outrageous insidious "definition" such as that.

So let's get this straight G: just because you've gone and had another screwup by your crack-smoking "search quality team" that thought it "would be a good idea" to delete even more countless millions of websites therefore discounting all previous IBL's from said websites, that suddenly somehow means MY webpages suck??? Because YOU deleted OTHER webpages, now MY pages suck are are "of no use to the web" by your own definition????????? Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense doesn't it.

You see, these people are totally insane and are undermining the internet and are responsible for a large part of the downfall of the global economy. All because of their anencephalic PR. They opened the literal Pandora's Box years ago when they introduced this satan-spawned "thing" and it has resulted in nothing but: linking scams, useless link farms, useless directories, spam, and other forms of internet pollution, and, the demise of countless millions of online businesses. Even a person with an IQ of my shoe size KNEW that was a bad idea and would result in these things. I even TOLD THEM, but why listen to a nobody. Once again, well done google. "Do no evil"??? HA!!!!!

It would be a glorious day indeed, and we can all rejoice when these people get the hell out of the SE business. We can all pray they'll do this and focus on browsers and OS's, and hopefully other things (and then ruin those industries as well). Then we'll never have to worry about PR and all the evil destructive baggage that comes along with it, and then maybe the internet can heal itself along with the billion sites that their devilish PR has slandered and ruined.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by logico

Its natural...a newly indexed sites ranks well for some days and suddenly pummels downward.

We're talking about sites many years old. There's nothing "natural" about that. But I guess it is natural for google.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by cz

Webnauts - link to video works, but video doesn't.

Try it in FF. It didn't work for me either in IE, but it does in FF. It may have something to do with allowing the Cookie because IE blocks most of them, but FF doesn't have that "slider" option, it only allows all or denies all so I have it set to allow. (PR "Sculpting"??? So that's what they are calling it, "Sculpting"??? That's like setting off a nuke on NYC killing 10 million people, and calling it "an adjustment to population").

[cz]

I can try that FF browser - thanks Clint,

Glad you got that off your chest. I overslept & just woke up and have the feeling that "oh well, the world will turn," and I'll try to add more content and seek some links to my site.

Trying to imitate a site Google has always loved and looking at their PR sculpting. That's in the works for today as well.

I guess I'm jumping through hoops as well. Don't ya just love this business?!!

Oh btw, I just opened this up Clint -
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/16/google-wants-to-save-your-life-or-help-end-it

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by cz

Oh btw, I just opened this up Clint -
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/16/google-wants-to-save-your-life-or-help-end-it

Oh my.

[earnest]

Originally Posted by cz

Oh btw, I just opened this up Clint -
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/16/google-wants-to-save-your-life-or-help-end-it

Google, please stop... to take a breath before you go any further.

We will never sell your data

Maybe you won't.

[eagag]

if only there was somebody to penalize Google I would have felt more relief. I regret depending on google traffic now.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by earnest

Google, please stop... to take a breath before you go any further.

People should be saying that to G all the time about everything they do. They have a long history of opening up Pandora's Box (yes there seems to be more than one), and that is still continuing. Maybe it could be their undoing which would be great.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by eagag

if only there was somebody to penalize Google I would have felt more relief. I regret depending on google traffic now.

Indeed! Someone definitely needs to "police" them. They've been out-of-control for years now.