Bing Versus Google

[ranga227]

Hello,

I just registered this forum while surfing and I’m curious about what you think about Bing.
According to some news it already started to overtake Yahoo. But it seems to me they can’t beat Google. I think more creative ideas and some vision is needed to overtake Google.

Besides of that there’s adsense and adword industry. Google is creative and established firm, Bing brings nothing new to us.

If Google creates linux based operating system, maybe they can overtake Microsoft?

[xuchunfeng1984]

i think Bing cant overtake Google, at least not in the next 10 years.

[succeedemail]

Way too much is being made of the Bing ordeal. It's basically a new marketing campaign for the same MSN/Live search. Google is in an entirely different league of its own and will continue to absolutely dominate the market share.

[ctabuk]

I agree that Google will remain the number one, however, the amount of cash being thrown at it does mean to a degree that it will start to pick up support from various quarters. It's already producing results for my blogs.

[williamc]

ctabuk: I agree with that. We are seeing some pretty solid numbers coming from Bing as well (compared to old msn numbers). People are definately trying it and using it more.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by williamc

ctabuk: I agree with that. We are seeing some pretty solid numbers coming from Bing as well (compared to old msn numbers). People are definately trying it and using it more.

It seems as though MicroSoft is simply throwing a lot of hype out there, hoping that enough gossip may give it a boost. I agree that Google is too well established for Bing to present any real threat in the short term, and MicroSoft has demonstrated many times that they aren't prepared to stick with such an effort for the long haul, preferring to find a new niche, rather than try to win an existing one.

[williamc]

Originally Posted by Doc

It seems as though MicroSoft is simply throwing a lot of hype out there, hoping that enough gossip may give it a boost.

But.... that is exactly what Google did to get established. The difference may be that while Google hyped webmasters to grow themselves, then dumped on us after they got what they wanted, bing may be the opposite, so they are getting their fair share of talk.

[R. Treska]

What some have to realize is the simple fact that Bing and Google are simply related to one another in terms of their "searching capability". Believe it or not, this service, offered by both providers is minor in perspective to the bigger picture. Google is MUCH MUCH more than simply a search engine. Of course it's search capability is the front end service for most users, but Google itself represents a whole lot more, that in my opinion, will never be overthrown by anyone else. Call me optimistic, but I truly believe that has monopolized its industry and continues to do so.

In terms of just "search engines" I still think google will win this race. Being such an established enterprise, I think google will continue to upkeep its market share (if not increase it). Google has become so strong in its image, that it is now a household name across the world. I'm sure you've all heard someone say "Oh let me Google that".

And of course Microsoft can throw money at Bing all they want, but I highly doubt that'll put a dent in Google. To me, this bing vs google is more of a david vs goliath type of war. Google being the latter of course.

[Doc]

Google is, as R. Treska points out, much more than just a search engine. They have managed to build a conglomerate of diverse services, that is very nearly all-encompassing.
I understand what you're saying, William, and you're right...Google did the same thing. I just don't think that such tactics will do MS much good. They may get some portion of the market, and even keep it, if they stay on their toes, but I think the typical user will stick with Google.

Personally, I don't particularly like the Bing format. But to be fair, that may be because I've become so accustomed to Google's. For my part, as a user, I doubt I'll be changing my SE of preference.

Now, from an SEO standpoint, it may end up being an entirely different matter, if Bing can deliver the sort of traffic I want.

[bobitza]

The SE market is a mature market. You can grow by "stealing" %share from other SEs or grow with the market growth rate. Making an existing "customer" switch "providers" however, takes more than some fancy advertising, so I reckon as long as Google doesn't do something stupid to alienate its users ... Bing won't have a chance to claim top place in SE for a long time.

Where it does have a chance however is the "new" users. If it can get as much as possible from that, it will have a higher growth rate than Google. But this takes time ...

By the way, what will make YOU switch SEs?

[Doc]

Originally Posted by bobitza

The SE market is a mature market. You can grow by "stealing" %share from other SEs or grow with the market growth rate. Making an existing "customer" switch "providers" however, takes more than some fancy advertising, so I reckon as long as Google doesn't do something stupid to alienate its users ... Bing won't have a chance to claim top place in SE for a long time.

Where it does have a chance however is the "new" users. If it can get as much as possible from that, it will have a higher growth rate than Google. But this takes time ...

By the way, what will make YOU switch SEs?

Good points, bobitza.

I'm generally a loyal consumer, all things being equal. But if Bing, or any other SE, can provide me with better results in my searches, I'm open to switching. Since I'm pretty comfortable with Google now, it'd take some noticeable differences to get me to move, though.

[avera]

It occurs to me that although Google have a huge market share, MS really is going for it with this one. Live messenger now sets your home page to Bing, if you allow it and loads of people will do, and they have the huge Hotmail network to promote to.

So they have many routes to market that Google don't necessarily have. It's an exciting time as, although I have been an avid Google user for the last 8 years, I do like the idea of a new runner in the search engine race.

[R. Treska]

Hey Bobitza, I found your post really interesting about capitalizing on "new users". But realisticly, how many "new users" can Bing really leverage on? This is a debatable point, I just personally don't see it as a gateway to success for Bing. I think their primary focus is on "coverting" users of different SEs to Bing.

Also, in regards to avera's post, this is an excellent point that you have brought up with Live messenger and their hotmail network. But you have to remember that Google has arguably one of the best email services in the market to date, GMail. And on top of this, Google's foundation has done such an excellent job at establishing a loyal customer base that a SIGNIFICANT portion of both Hotmail and Windows Live users, still perfer Google as their primary SE.

Both of you bring up excellent points though! It'll be interesting to see what Bing can really do, and if it does get to the point where Google may feel slightly threatened, I'd love to see what they'll do to counter it.

[BanquetTables.Pro]

Originally Posted by R. Treska

Hey Bobitza, I found your post really interesting about capitalizing on "new users". But realisticly, how many "new users" can Bing really leverage on?

The largest group of internet users is teens, and the "visual appeal" is what they will like the most about bing. Teens come into the market everyday

[williamc]

Originally Posted by R. Treska

It'll be interesting to see what Bing can really do, and if it does get to the point where Google may feel slightly threatened, I'd love to see what they'll do to counter it.

I take it you missed Matt attacking Bing pretty damn quickly after launch.. I would say Google is already feeling a tad threatened....

[Janna122003]

After bing.com was launched I'm seeing more traffic on bing than yahoo.

[R. Treska]

Williamc, I agree that Google may be currently feeling the slightest of pressure from Bing, but I think we can all agree here that a powerhouse like Google is miles ahead (and will continue to be in my opinion) from every aspect in comparison to Bing.

And in response to BanqueTables' postl; sure new teens enter the market everyday, but I can assure you that even those who aren't frequent internet users have heard about Google in one way or another looooooong before they've heard or will hear about Bing.

And yes Janna I agree with you. But this is expected. I mean, if you invest millions of dollars in advertising and promotion and you dont generate sufficient traffic then you're in big trouble.

My prediction is, Bing will kick around for a while, try to offer a few new things, and maybe even overcome some other SE providers. But at the end of the day, in the war of Google vs. Bing; this is a no-brainer. From every angle, perspective and aspect, Google for the win!

P.S I do not work for Google or anything. I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm defending or advocating for them in any way. Haha

[earnest]

Other things being equal, Bing has one sufficient drawback - the Live Search/Windows Live Search/MSN Search string trailing behind it. What prevented Live Search from becoming a decent SE? If you say "google", then nothing has changed, and the echoing question is "what will make Bing the better SE?" In order to attract a group of visitors to speak about, Bing will have to be dramatically different and surprisingly innovative. What we can see right now is just design and hype.

[bobitza]

Originally Posted by R. Treska

... But realisticly, how many "new users" can Bing really leverage on? This is a debatable point, I just personally don't see it as a gateway to success for Bing. I think their primary focus is on "coverting" users of different SEs to Bing.

Originally Posted by BanquetTables.Pro

The largest group of internet users is teens, and the "visual appeal" is what they will like the most about bing. Teens come into the market everyday

Some of the customers leave the market, some enter the market (teens discovering Internet, thanks banquet). If the "new" users grow up with Bing, in the long run its market share growth will outpace Google's growth rate.

Now, when it comes to converting users from other SE ... well, there's an innate resistance to change in the majority of us. Basically is similar to the "why fix it if it's not broken" concept. So again, what will take for you to change your "default" SE?

[confettiguru]

I don't see Bing as a threat to Google. I see it as a threat to Yahoo.
Google is and will remain my default SE, however I have logged on to Bing several times a day since it's launch. I have seen more orders coming through Bing than Yahoo for the last 9 days consecutively. Don't know what this means for the long haul but it is enough to impress me.
I'm hoping to hear some solid discussion of Bing vs Yahoo vs Google at SES San Jose. I spend a lot of $'s on adwords and have not yet decided to move some of that to Bing. I HAVE decided not to move any of it to Yahoo.

[earnest]

@ Bobitza: that is an awesome chart, significantly facilitates decision-making procedures. A decent alternative to "bing and decide" as well.

[grishamist]

Bing CAN"T beat Google. Although I read some articles about Bing and have good feedback, it's not enough to beat Google. Bing must beat Yahoo first then maybe think of beating Google for the next 20 years I guess.

[BloggerExpertz]

Bing has great opening feedback but it cannot beat Google, thats 100% Truth.

[williamc]

Originally Posted by BloggerExpertz

Bing has great opening feedback but it cannot beat Google, thats 100% Truth.

actually, thats just your opinion :P

[usearchme]

Hi guys

Nice to see some good debate and I agree I cant see how bing can beat google, but people seem to be trying bing as im getting more hits from there, so maybe it will indeed get more of a foothold, it would indeed be refreshing to see another search engine doing well !

Woc

[BanquetTables.Pro]

Google can go nowhere but down, bottom line.

Most people dont compare search quality from one search engine to the next.

Google made it because they are simple. Plain fluid page with no clutter.

When the internet got big, the baby boomers were "slightly" tech savy. I mean slightly. They did not like the cluttered approach of yahoo.

My neice was making websites in school at age 12 10 years ago!!!

We are morphing into a completly tech savy world where the clutter can be handled with ease, and stress free.

In closing, "its harder to stay on top,, than number 2"

[nirose]

Google is unbeatable at the momment and its hard for yahoo to beat them let alone bing.

[R. Treska]

I highly doubt that Google has a difficult time to stay on top. They've monopolized their industry. And you can be as "tech savy" as you want, but let's face it, no one likes clutter (even if you can deal with it). Everyone looks for the simplest, fastest and most efficient way of doing things, which also happens to include, search engines. Bing does not offer anything "new" to the SE industry and it certainly hasn't found any innovative methods of doing what's already being done. In my honest opinion, they are nothing in comparison to Google.

[Cigtina23]

I don't like to judge.. let us just see what will happen
Yahoo and Bing has potential.. But as of now Google
is doing pretty good..

[MrGamm]

I have been using google for about 7 years or so. Initially I really liked it because it was extremely fast. Compared to bing that is completely irrelevant.

I have actually grown to like the drop down spell checker search which bing has... I prefer the infinite scrolling on the image search. Other than that... my search needs are so basic that there has been no real difference.

The site: prefix still works in both search engines so I get to see more supplemental or page rank information than ever before. It is good to have a comparison.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:webproworld.com

http://www.bing.com/search?q=site:webproworld.com

(notice the cleaner hierarchy in bing?)

I am sure Google dominates at this point in time... but the change has been good for me.

And the traffic from bing is not that bad at all...

I mean after two or so weeks in business Bing is already doing really well... Look at what Google looked like back in 1998 it took them 3-5 years to go anywhere.

http://web.archive.org/web/199812022...ww.google.com/

I am sure more players and contenders will come onto the market in the years to come and we will all have more choice.

[eagag]

I hope that Microsoft enhances its position in SE world to add some balance to the game

[Peter]

One company monolopising the market is never a good thing. I didnt like the old Live search because of the way it looked, now it is much better and Google looks old fashioned.

For me I switched to Google from Yahoo, because it was less cluttered and looked better.

However all said about looks, i am increasingly fed up with the rubbish results I get on Google for certain terms, endless directories instead of content..

[sherone]

Bing become more worst than MSN. they are indexing pages very slowly. I think they are aiming some school kids thats why they are showing different pictures in the home page.

[kgun]

Related thread that mention a FF plugin that can be used to compare the SERP pages from the two engines:

Se's plugins / alternative Se's.

Personally, I think Google can still sleep well.

[MrGamm]

Originally Posted by sherone

Bing become more worst than MSN. they are indexing pages very slowly.

They use the same crawler as MSN.

[kgun]

MS bougth Norwegian Fast dot no that now redirects to:

http://www.microsoft.com/enterprises...-customer.aspx

Seems that they use the fast algorithm for Enterprise search.

[techack]

You can use Compare Google and Bing these websites to compare Bing and Google search results in one page and get the answer urself

[MrGamm]

I don't know about the rest of you... But some websites I monitor are now receiving upto 20% or their traffic from Bing...

That is a massive chunk in the search engine pie if you ask me. I mean... I am talking about websites which serve to hundreds/thousands not millions... So the stats I have are most certainly not across the board... However...

I think We could see Bing take a much larger chunk of the market share before the year is over if you ask me...

[williamc]

Originally Posted by MrGamm

I don't know about the rest of you... But some websites I monitor are now receiving upto 20% or their traffic from Bing...

Yeh, Googles dominance is slowly going down in the numbers of sites we watch too. If M$ keeps up the ads it will slowly erode away a little more of googles marketshare. I don't expect they will topple G, but they are hurting them for sure.

[gene02]

WOW Bing VS Google, Both of these companies are taking us all to the bank. They have the best marketing gurus in the world. Think of it the world economy is the worst it has been in decades and MSN starts talking about Bing and in the same quarter Google drops the Bomb about Chrome OS. Both companies have lost big numbers in revenue over the past 2 quarters do to global economic hardship what better way to revive some advertising dollar than a rival war. This is how big companies stay in business they get everyone hyped up to gain revenue from advertisers. Computer production and sales are down globally consumer spending is down so the advertiser are fighting for .01% market share they obtain that by advertising. Just my 2cents worth

[sammy34]

Bing is just going to be another "FAIL", just like Live...

[laserpointers]

in my opinion bing can't beat the google which is king of all search engines

[mikelittle]

Well i think that bing overtake yahoo, just because there so much hype and advertisement Of bing made him popular then yahoo very earlier , but after some time it'll become again there were live and msn, And other thing is if you asked me what changes bring bing for me, and for my site, then i think nothing much, its bringing me same traffic as live was sending, So its clear that no one can beat google, maybe some miracle happen in future but in recent times its seems imposible, but honestly, i want to see another big commetion for google, i am really sick from google now a days no matter its bringing me lot of traffic, but still i am feeling that i hate google

[kak1966]

Originally Posted by R. Treska

What some have to realize is the simple fact that Bing and Google are simply related to one another in terms of their "searching capability". Believe it or not, this service, offered by both providers is minor in perspective to the bigger picture. Google is MUCH MUCH more than simply a search engine. Of course it's search capability is the front end service for most users, but Google itself represents a whole lot more, that in my opinion, will never be overthrown by anyone else. Call me optimistic, but I truly believe that has monopolized its industry and continues to do so.

In terms of just "search engines" I still think google will win this race. Being such an established enterprise, I think google will continue to upkeep its market share (if not increase it). Google has become so strong in its image, that it is now a household name across the world. I'm sure you've all heard someone say "Oh let me Google that".

And of course Microsoft can throw money at Bing all they want, but I highly doubt that'll put a dent in Google. To me, this bing vs google is more of a david vs goliath type of war. Google being the latter of course.

Can you elaborate how you distinguish that Google is MUCH MUCH more than Bing at this stage? I have been researching Bing and other Microsoft ad options for a project and I have found Bing to yield mostly the same results as Google in a search to search comparison. Bing seems to be less boogling to view and although it may be MSN in an up dated format, I don't see where (so far) anyone has dumped on MSN's capabilities as a news source and a search engine. I like the RSS feeds that allow me to receive info that I desire and weed out the stuff I don't care to see.

[kak1966]

Originally Posted by gene02

WOW Bing VS Google, Both of these companies are taking us all to the bank. They have the best marketing gurus in the world. Think of it the world economy is the worst it has been in decades and MSN starts talking about Bing and in the same quarter Google drops the Bomb about Chrome OS. Both companies have lost big numbers in revenue over the past 2 quarters do to global economic hardship what better way to revive some advertising dollar than a rival war. This is how big companies stay in business they get everyone hyped up to gain revenue from advertisers. Computer production and sales are down globally consumer spending is down so the advertiser are fighting for .01% market share they obtain that by advertising. Just my 2cents worth

You were almost there - they are taking us all to their sites. the only way to know if something is better or worse than something else (like I tell my child) is to try it. If this is not free intergrated advertising, which Microsoft is really pushing, then I don't know what is.

[loversuper]

i think Bing is going to take out more of google than people anticipate... but just my personal guess thingy. It's so nice, very nice UI, and better features.

[michael_dans]

I think that Bing can't beat Google because of the image made by it. Bing is new and has nothing new that can distinguish it from google. If it has to beat google then there is a need to create a distinctive image from others. It is indeed a difficult task but not an impossible one.