spamming on google

[apsadmin]

I operate an online print shop which has hundreds of different printed products, letterheads, business cards, etc to promote. So instead of only submitting my home page, I also submit the product pages SEO'd to specifically capture those relevant search phrases. Recently I have read an article that describes this as spamming on google which could get you banned, so I am concerned, and confused. If this is true, how do you promote your products or hope to compete for the hundreds of search phrases people use to find products in your industry? Obviously you cannot do it on your home page alone.

[cbp]

Don't waste your time submitting - its makes no difference and dosen't help - there are lots of threads here on it...
here is one eg of the recent threads:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=16715

Submitting lots of times won't get you banned from Google - the article you read was wrong. If it was possible to get banned by submitting to much to Google, I would be first in line to submit all my competitors to get them banned.

The only harm you get from submitting is it takes up time from other activities that would be better spent promoting your site.

If you want the individual product pages to rank well, do all the on page opitimisation and then links to the pages (internal and external) with the keywords in the anchor text.

CBP

[Duncan Pollock]

Without being able to see your website, I can't be altogether sure of the right answer. However, as I understand things, the following points are certainly pertinent.
1. You're not spamming if you have a home page that introduces your company, its general range of capabilities, and something of an overview of your product range. This can then provide links to a whole host of individual pages, each of which deals with a specific line, e.g. business cards, letterheads, envelopes, flyers, etc., etc. In turn these pages can each be optimized in their own right, e.g. distinct page title and heading, most appropriate keywords in the text, etc. This way, the effect is a site with its own domain that has a host of subdomains attached to it.
2. Although you can then submit each page to Google et al, there's really no need to do so. Googlebot and other spiders will find and list your individual pages over and above your home page -- and do so in relation to the specific keyword(s).
3. On the other hand, if you produce and submit twenty, thirty, whatever pages with URLS of their own, you are, I'm sure, inviting a No No from Google and their compatriots.
4. I know there's a fine point of distinction here, but the governing principle is that, to do things right, you need to present yourself as a single parent with a slew of children that all belong to you. The wrong way is a deliberate attempt to, ahem, kid the search engines that the kids have no relation to one another, let alone to their proud parents.

Duncan

[ldylion214]

Originally Posted by Duncan Pollock

3. On the other hand, if you produce and submit twenty, thirty, whatever pages with URLS of their own, you are, I'm sure, inviting a No No from Google and their compatriots. Duncan

I was following along until you said this. What would be considered a URL of its own? If I submit http://www.tribeazure.com/Itemlist.a...stID=844198932, for the keyword "animal jewelry", is this considered a child page or a URL of its own? Can you give me an example of what would be?

Thanks!!

[cbp]

If I submit http://www.tribeazure.com/Itemlist.a...stID=844198932, for the keyword "animal jewelry",

That page is not in Google and is unlikely to ever be listed. Google struggle crawling dynamic URL's with greater than one parameter and the url has ID in it (Googlebot no likes that as it thinks its a session ID).

CBP

[ldylion214]

That page is not in Google and is unlikely to ever be listed. Google struggle crawling dynamic URL's with greater than one parameter and the url has ID in it (Googlebot no likes that as it thinks its a session ID).

CBP

I suspected that so I am in the process of designing this http://www.tribeazure.com/animal.htm which is linked the above URL. I assume it will be okay for me to link to the .asp pages from it.

[Duncan Pollock]

Idylion214: As cbp says, there are problems with dynamic URLs, but your basic understanding is correct. Everything's AOK if you have a main domain at http://www.tribeazure.com to which you attach http://www.tribeazure.com/animal.htm and http://www.tribeazure.com/thisotherproduct.htm. and http://www.tribeazure.com/thatotherproduct.htm etc., etc, ad nauseum.
What's not kosher is to have http://www.tribeazure.com plus http://www.animal.com as well as http://www.thisotherproduct.com and http://www.thatotherproduct.com etc., etc., ad nauseum.
In any case, a succession of "on their own" URLs is an expensive way to go.

Duncan

[ldylion214]

Originally Posted by Duncan Pollock

Idylion214: As cbp says, there are problems with dynamic URLs, but your basic understanding is correct...

Gotcha! Thank you so much!