Google - Next PR Update?

[alan smith]

Hi All,

I want to know the next PR updation of Google.

[Niche]

The updates occur a few times a year. Last update was about 4 weeks ago so I am not expecting one for another couple of months

[ctabuk]

Will you please start to read the stickies before making these Pagerank posts. Pagerank updates every second of every day 365.25 days a year.

Use your Google tools and forget that silly greenline in your google homepage - better still delete and concentrate on converting traffic into sales!

[Niche]

You are absolutely right about the continuous update thing CT but I think Alan is new to all this which is why he has asked.

Point taken about the stickies though.. They do contain a wealth of really useful information

[ctabuk]

Well sometimes a hard hitting message gets the point across to new members - read a forum well before joining - (I'm a fine one to talk though - my first post here was with a very famous moderator CPB - and my question was 'How do I submit to Google' - I got a firm reply! - It does no harm to get the correct info in a snap shot.

[shakir]

Originally Posted by Niche

The updates occur a few times a year. Last update was about 4 weeks ago so I am not expecting one for another couple of months

Google is evaluating the site always but the updation of PR is only every 2-3 months... last year dec updated after that do not find any updation on PR.. may be some changes on PR bcz of datacenter issue.. but updation m expecting this month or next month first

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by shakir

Google is evaluating the site always but the updation of PR is only every 2-3 months... last year dec updated after that do not find any updation on PR.. may be some changes on PR bcz of datacenter issue.. but updation m expecting this month or next month first

And if anyone believes this - don't. It is totally wrong information. Pagerank constantly updates.

[tranquilito]

Could be anytime in the next few weeks, or could be at the end of the year
It's relative

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

You came into this thread as a 'flamer' you were rude, but now you have made a reasonable post. In your first post it ammounted to that I knew nothing about SEO and that my own site was rubbish and I pretend to be a guru.

Now you say that people are most likely to swap links with a PR3 etc - Now explain why?

Most people beleave that PR is everything although it is not it is still a big part of the algorithm. If all other factors are identical or similar then the page with the highest PR will get higher in the results.

People looking to increase their PR look for other sites with reasonable PR to swap links with and when you got from pr3 upwards its a lot easier to find people to swap with, obviously people are most likely to do it if you are a PR10 but that's not likely and there are a lot of sites out there with a PR3+ in your niche that will swap links with you.

If you are doing all your other SEO tweaks effectively then this should be an important part to help you get high in the search engines.

search for "pit bikes" and "ps3 linux" in Google see where my sites come and these are only a PR3 and a PR4 I may not currently be in 1st but I have been and I get about 600 - 1000 unique visits a day on both sites

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by treggs

Most people beleave that PR is everything although it is not it is still a big part of the algorithm. If all other factors are identical or similar then the page with the highest PR will get higher in the results.

The "all other things being equal" doesn't hold water IMO. You can say that about any single ranking metric if you isolate it. Besides, with all the things considered for ranking, when are all of them except 1 equal?

Originally Posted by treggs

People looking to increase their PR look for other sites with reasonable PR to swap links with and when you got from pr3 upwards its a lot easier to find people to swap with, obviously people are most likely to do it if you are a PR10 but that's not likely and there are a lot of sites out there with a PR3+ in your niche that will swap links with you.

Only if you're looking at the toolbar. The toolbar is not a ranking metric. If you choose to "swap" links, the toolbar is the last thing you should be looking at. Additionally, it's the originating page that tranfers "value" not the site. Granted, if you have more green pixels those who are using the toolbar as a metric will be more inclined to "swap" but then again, if that's what matters then the wrong things are being considered.

Originally Posted by treggs

If you are doing all your other SEO tweaks effectively then this should be an important part to help you get high in the search engines.

Disagree. What you see in the toolbar isn't a ranking metric. It can't help you rank.

Originally Posted by treggs

search for "pit bikes" and "ps3 linux" in Google see where my sites come and these are only a PR3 and a PR4 I may not currently be in 1st but I have been and I get about 600 - 1000 unique visits a day on both sites

Neither is what I'd call "competitive" phrases. As far as the numbers, for at least those two phrases, data suggests that an average of less than 300 searches a month are performed using those phrases.

Dave

[treggs]

not really of course you should make sure the page/site is offering valued content for your visitors, but links are the single most effective way of getting up the SERP's but how do you know if google considers a site a good link or not, how do you find out the PR you have to look at the toolbar. you could swap links with a site and if you didn't use the toolbar you may not realise that the PR bar is grayed out and the site has been booted and then Google would remove you for linking to them.


What I am saying is if you are doing everything else prperly i.e. title's heading's alt tags keywords then you should work on increasing your PR, PR is not just something at the top of your screen on a toolbar it is being constantly updated within google and the PR does help yourank and is a ranking metric its just the PR in the toolbar may not be the same as Google is currently using to rank your site.

It seams you just want to say I'm wrong for the sake of it

you are well off on the searches a month and this is just Google where did you get your data from?

Even if they were not competitive I would be doing well to get that hit rate and they are the most competitive keywords in their niche

Google says

Pit Bikes = 201,000 searches a month 1,920,000 results
Pit Bike = 673,000 searches a month

PS3 Linux = 22,200 searches a month 1,780,000 results
linux on ps3 = 22,200 searches a month

these are probably what I would call not competitive easy keywords to target (google only)
religious jewelry = 1,600 monthly searches
christian jewelry = 1,300 monthly searches

Of course I'm not targeting SEO as my keyword but dont try and make it look as if I haven't had to work hard to get where I am. I used to run a Bruce Lee site, I was number 1 in Google, Yahoo, MSN, Altavista and any others you can think of that was 80,000,000 competition

[ctabuk]

Here this might help you grasp the subject - please read it slowly
http://www.html4seo.com/seo-pdf/goog...statistics.pdf

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Here this might help you grasp the subject - please read it slowly
html4seo.com/seo-pdf/google-pagerank-serp-statistics.pdf

Is that for me I've been doing SEO since before Google existed and understand it fine I'm not saying PR is the be all and end all but its part of it as stated in that pdf you posted

Quote from PDF

Comments :
1st observation, the correlation coefficient between Rank and Pagerank is close to 1 in absolute terms,
therefore, very strong. The Rank and the Pagerank are strongly correlated. A good pagerank improves
ranking undoubtly.

[ctabuk]

The PDF does indeed make the correlation - but and here is what I hoped you would spot - those charts can only relate to the homepage - if SERP and PR were inextricably linked then it follows that all longtailed URL's from a high PR site would be top on SERP - but in reality a well linked site with a low pr can out SERP a 8 or a 9 IF - it's linking is universally done and is based on content and anchor texted linking.

So what we tend to say here in WPW is to ignore pagerank via the toolbar because any linking strategy based purely on what the toolbar is telling you is rubbish.

I don't carry my homepage in my sig - I have no need - it is an 'authority site' Right to Buy from Council Tenants Advice Bureau (UK) Ltd

We do try to assist here - really
You have a broken link
http://www.pit-bike-heaven.com/pit-bikes.htm

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by treggs

not really of course you should make sure the page/site is offering valued content for your visitors, but links are the single most effective way of getting up the SERP's but how do you know if google considers a site a good link or not, how do you find out the PR you have to look at the toolbar. you could swap links with a site and if you didn't use the toolbar you may not realise that the PR bar is grayed out and the site has been booted and then Google would remove you for linking to them.

The toolbar doesn't tell you these things. There a lots of ways to analize what Google thinks of site. None of them include using the toolbar.

Originally Posted by treggs

What I am saying is if you are doing everything else prperly i.e. title's heading's alt tags keywords then you should work on increasing your PR, PR is not just something at the top of your screen on a toolbar it is being constantly updated within google and the PR does help yourank and is a ranking metric its just the PR in the toolbar may not be the same as Google is currently using to rank your site.

What you see in the toolbar is not a ranking metric. It tells you little to nothing. Internal PR is important but you can't see it, you don't know what it is, you don't know precisely what ranking value it has, you don't know how it interacts with all of the other metrics, etc., etc., etc.

This also doesn't take into account that what you see in the toolbar isn't neccessarily accurate. I see pages all the time where it's not. Doesn't take into account how outdated it is either.

Again, the toolbar is not a metric. You're better served when analizing a site by turning it off.

Originally Posted by treggs

It seams you just want to say I'm wrong for the sake of it

Not at all.

Originally Posted by treggs

you are well off on the searches a month and this is just Google where did you get your data from?

Even if they were not competitive I would be doing well to get that hit rate and they are the most competitive keywords in their niche

Google says

Pit Bikes = 201,000 searches a month 1,920,000 results
Pit Bike = 673,000 searches a month

PS3 Linux = 22,200 searches a month 1,780,000 results
linux on ps3 = 22,200 searches a month

You might want to double check your numbers treggs. The adwords tool isn't the only one out there.

Results tell you little to nothing as well.

Since you suggested I check out where you rank, I did, and couldn't find your sites on Google.com. At least within the first 200 results.

Originally Posted by treggs

Of course I'm not targeting SEO as my keyword but dont try and make it look as if I haven't had to work hard to get where I am. I used to run a Bruce Lee site, I was number 1 in Google, Yahoo, MSN, Altavista and any others you can think of that was 80,000,000 competition

I haven't suggested you haven't worked hard. What I will suggest however is that you spend some time researching what it is that makes a term or phrase competitive because it's not the number of results nor the number or estimated searches performed.

BTW... I would also suggest you double check the forum rules about bringing up other members sites.

Dave

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

The PDF does indeed make the correlation - but and here is what I hoped you would spot - those charts can only relate to the homepage - if SERP and PR were inextricably linked then it follows that all longtailed URL's from a high PR site would be top on SERP - but in reality a well linked site with a low pr can out SERP a 8 or a 9 IF - it's linking is universally done and is based on content and anchor texted linking.

So what we tend to say here in WPW is to ignore pagerank via the toolbar because any linking strategy based purely on what the toolbar is telling you is rubbish.

I don't carry my homepage in my sig - I have no need - it is an 'authority site' Right to Buy from Council Tenants Advice Bureau (UK) Ltd

The way I see it is PR is different from page to page and all you can do with a high home page PR is try to pass it through your site to help your other pages. after it's pagerank and not siterank.

How do you know if your site is considered an 'authority site' you used to type in the site name in google and it would bring up site links underneath I couldn't find these on yours but maybe things have changed. How did you work out that it is an authority site?

[ctabuk]

Because it is an old established site that UK Government sites link to. It has something like 2000 various search terms that bring in new enquiries by the bucket load - if only we had lenders

But back to pagerank - seriously, try to ignore the toolbar ratings - I do not use a Google homepage but I was in a USA forum yesterday and there was a post that stated that in the States Google has dropped it from the homepage. Try Opera far more fun and far safer.

When the toolbar greenline started some very clever hackers got into it and worked out Googles algorithm system - from that they started to sell links to unsuspecting guys and gals based on the higher the toolbar pr the higher your SERP.

Google responded by updating once a month, then every two months, then three then four and so on. So Google employed students to go around the forums and spot who was selling links. Those sites buying and selling were penalised.

The whole thing is a myth - I don't even know the toolbar pagerank of my homesite and frankly I am not interested. Last time I looked back in 03 it was a 4

It simply works as a site because of its structure and linking.

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Because it is an old established site that UK Government sites link to. It has something like 2000 various search terms that bring in new enquiries by the bucket load - if only we had lenders

But back to pagerank - seriously, try to ignore the toolbar ratings - I do not use a Google homepage but I was in a USA forum yesterday and there was a post that stated that in the States Google has dropped it from the homepage. Try Opera far more fun and far safer.

When the toolbar greenline started some very clever hackers got into it and worked out Googles algorithm system - from that they started to sell links to unsuspecting guys and gals based on the higher the toolbar pr the higher your SERP.

Google responded by updating once a month, then every two months, then three then four and so on. So Google employed students to go around the forums and spot who was selling links. Those sites buying and selling were penalised.

The whole thing is a myth - I don't even know the toolbar pagerank of my homesite and frankly I am not interested. Last time I looked back in 03 it was a 4

It simply works as a site because of its structure and linking.

I would have thought that an authority site would get a lot more hits than that especially in a competitive market like that one.

anyway we are not going to agree I will use my techniques and you can use your and maybe when I don't achieve a number 1 ranking for a keyword I am targeting then I will look at other stuff but with over 10 years so far of never failing to hit my targets I don't think it will be any time soon.

what I am saying is links are the single most important factor in SEO whether they be internal or external and checking the PR can help you decide if its a good link or not yes people can fake it but I use firefox and seoquake and always check that the site has a reasonable amount of links going to it, and it lets you know if they are listed in google or banned by being greyed out.

There are only 2 ways to fake PR so either you have a pr6 domian forwarding to the domain you want the fake PR on so you would have to own the pr6 to forward it to the new domain and would be closing down a good respected site to do this or you redirect your domain to a site with high PR but this wouldn't matter because you would see it redirect and wouldn't accept a link.

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

The toolbar doesn't tell you these things. There a lots of ways to analize what Google thinks of site. None of them include using the toolbar.

What you see in the toolbar is not a ranking metric. <br>It tells you little to nothing. Internal PR is important but you can't see it, you don't know what it is, you don't know precisely what ranking value it has, you don't know how it interacts with all of the other metrics, etc., etc., etc.

This also doesn't take into account that what you see in the toolbar isn't neccessarily accurate. I see pages all the time where it's not. Doesn't take into account how outdated it is either. <br> Again, the toolbar is not a metric. You're better served when analizing a site by turning it off.

Not at all. <br>You might want to double check your numbers treggs. The adwords tool isn't the only one out there. Results tell you little to nothing as well.

Since you suggested I check out where you rank, I did, and couldn't find your sites on Googlecom. At least within the first 200 results. I haven't suggested you haven't worked hard. What I will suggest however is that you spend some time researching what it is that makes a term or phrase competitive because it's not the number of results nor the number or estimated searches performed. BTW... I would also suggest you double check the forum rules about bringing up other members sites. Dave

I know the adsense tool is not the only one but it does show you how many searches have been done in Google the previous month and average monthly totals so 22,000 in google alone is a lot more than 300 total searches.

I did ask what you were using to get these figures but you did not tell me I would take a look at what your using but I know that the Google tool is not lying and google serves about 70% of search engine traffic.

And if its not searches and amount of results that makes a keyword competitive then what is it

I would link to the Google result pages but I havent posted 10 times yet but I would suggest you look again

for Pit Bikes my site Pit Bike Heaven is currently 4th on googleDOTcom

for PS3 Linux my site PS3 Linux World is 2nd on googleDOTcom

please can anyone reading this check and post where they see them just for today

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by treggs

I know the adsense tool is not the only one but it does show you how many searches have been done in Google the previous month and average monthly totals so 22,000 in google alone is a lot more than 300 total searches.

I did ask what you were using to get these figures but you did not tell me I would take a look at what your using but I know that the Google tool is not lying and google serves about 70% of search engine traffic.

And if its not searches and amount of results that makes a keyword competitive then what is it

I would link to the Google result pages but I havent posted 10 times yet but I would suggest you look again

for Pit Bikes my site Pit Bike Heaven is currently 4th on googleDOTcom

for PS3 Linux my site PS3 Linux World is 2nd on googleDOTcom

please can anyone reading this check and post where they see them just for today

And if you start breaking down those numbers you'll find that they don't add up... ie if you take the "All countries" total and start comparing it with the the individual countries totals you'll find that they don't add up.

There are quite a few tools available. I use paid ones. You can try wordtracker or keyword discovery if you want to use a couple of free ones.

I suspect you are searching google UK. I don't see them anywhere when searching from the US.

Dave

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

And if you start breaking down those numbers you'll find that they don't add up... ie if you take the "All countries" total and start comparing it with the the individual countries totals you'll find that they don't add up.

There are quite a few tools available. I use paid ones. You can try wordtracker or keyword discovery if you want to use a couple of free ones.

I suspect you are searching google UK. I don't see them anywhere when searching from the US.

Dave

I know the difference between Google UK and COM

my PS3 Linux site is listed slightly higher on the DOTcom and my Pit Bike one is listed slightly higher on the DOTuk

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

And if you start breaking down those numbers you'll find that they don't add up... ie if you take the "All countries" total and start comparing it with the the individual countries totals you'll find that they don't add up.

There are quite a few tools available. I use paid ones. You can try wordtracker or keyword discovery if you want to use a couple of free ones.

I suspect you are searching google UK. I don't see them anywhere when searching from the US.

Dave

I would rather liten to Google you paid tools say that I can only get about 300 hits each for pit bikes and ps3 linux but my site stats say a lot more thats for this month so far

Search Keyphrases
(Top 10) 984 different keyphrases
Search
Pit bikes 2465


Search Keyphrases
(Top 10) 2967 different keyphrases
Search
ps3 linux 2560

I think it's quite obvious from this that google's average search volume is a lot closer than the paid tools you have been using.

[crankydave]

lol...

Let's see...

First you purport to be getting upwards of a 1000 visitors a day and now you post numbers for what are most likely your top phrases that show less than 100 a day.

You purport top rankings for those phrases on Google where searchers click on the top 5 listings more than 88% of the time.

You take your adwords numbers and if you're only getting 4% of the clicks for those phrases that would amount to a 9K a month CTR. That's around 300 a day a month isn't it?

Your numbers don't add up treggs. Not even close.

Dave

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

lol...

Let's see...

First you purport to be getting upwards of a 1000 visitors a day and now you post numbers for what are most likely your top phrases that show less than 100 a day.

You purport top rankings for those phrases on Google where searchers click on the top 5 listings more than 88% of the time.

You take your adwords numbers and if you're only getting 4% of the clicks for those phrases that would amount to a 9K a month CTR. That's around 300 a day a month isn't it?

Your numbers don't add up treggs. Not even close.

Dave

Hi Dave,

I said 600 - 1000 visits a day which is correct and yes they are both my top keywords but you told me I could only get 300 a month for each yet I have showed you that I am getting about 100 a day for these keywords that you suggested only had a possible 300 max a month

PS3 Linux is 1 of 2967 different keyphrases which brings traffic to my site
Pit Bikes is 1 of 984 different key phrases which brings traffic to my site

Do you know anything about website traffic Dave? it seams like you are trying to suggest my sites only get traffic from 1 keyword I just told you my best performing keyword that's all just the top one from each site

[crankydave]

Treggs... Here's a screen shot...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6974/screenshota.gif

Point to your site please. Do you know anything about traffic? How much do you think you're getting for that search given the screenshot?

You want to go back to DP? Be my guest. Your choice.

Now I went back and reread my post and I omitted "a day" a month from my original post. That was my mistake.

Just the same, your numbers don't add up.

Dave

[treggs]

What doesn't add up I told you I get 600 to 1000 visits a day these come from multiple search terms in multiple search engines not just Google

I get about 40% of my visits from links as well

you are just trying to make me look bad and I think that will be obvious to everyone

I use google webmaster tools and for my top 20 keywords I am in the top 10 on google.com

here's my screenshots without clipping anything off the screen

you know Google can show different results from state to state but for most parts google.com shows me in the top 5 and google webmaster tools puts me at 4 for world wide average.

why did you not get a screenshot of the PS3 Linux results is that because you found my site in second place

http://www.pit-bike-heaven.com/ps3-linux.jpg

http://www.pit-bike-heaven.com/pit-bikes.jpg

[ctabuk]

Those are not mainstream. And why have you got a broken link?

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Those are not mainstream. And why have you got a broken link?

Hi ctabuk,

What do you mean by "Those are not mainstream."

That site is a research tool for me I have tested many different techniques on that site that broken link would have been because I changed everything to php and used .htaccess mod_rewrite to turn my urls into this
Pit Bikes - Dirt Bikes - Pit Bike Heaven :: Pit Bikes / Dirt Bikes

I work full time and find it hard to work on all my sites after I have been doing it all day in an office I am concentrating on the PS3 Linux one at the moment

[ctabuk]

Those shots are from video search -you need to fix that link though.

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Those shots are from video search -you need to fix that link though.

which shots on my shots you can clearly see web in black and all the other links at the top in blue meaning web search is selected, the video search is a total different layout such as below

http://www.pit-bike-heaven.com/google.jpg

[crankydave]

lol...

Treggs... Do you understand what universal search is and why I'm not seeing the same results you are? As far as the screenshot I posted, I simply cropped what wasn't neccessary and nunya. You don't show up here.

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. That's clearly not neccessary for me to do. You on the otherhand, have been going out of your way to try and do just that. You have going on about how wonderful you are. Not exactly the best way to enter a forum that you're new to now is it?

If you don't want your "opinions" disagreed with, don't post them.

Since you're unaware, when you report posts, all admins and mods are alerted.

Dave

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

lol...

Treggs... Do you understand what universal search is and why I'm not seeing the same results you are? As far as the screenshot I posted, I simply cropped what wasn't neccessary and nunya. You don't show up here.

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. That's clearly not neccessary for me to do. You on the otherhand, have been going out of your way to try and do just that. You have going on about how wonderful you are. Not exactly the best way to enter a forum that you're new to now is it?

If you don't want your "opinions" disagreed with, don't post them.

Since you're unaware, when you report posts, all admins and mods are alerted.

Dave

yes which is why I said it can be different from state to state in the US but mostly from country to country.

My Google Webmaster Tools tells me I come up 4th on average for "Pit Bike"
on Google.com(US), so most users will see me on the first page.

when I say your trying to make me look bad I mean that you keep telling me I have my numbers wrong and cant be getting them hits from them keywords when My web stats clearly state that i am getting them as does Google analytics

I don't want to keep arguing but you are basically making out that I am lying or exagerating the figures when I am not.

your not disagreeing with my opinions you are telling me they are wrong without any hard facts just your opinion

and I accept that maybe where you live the Pit Bike site doesn't show up but I know as a fact you can find the PS3 Linux site and most likely its in 2nd place

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

lol...

Treggs... Do you understand what universal search is and why I'm not seeing the same results you are? As far as the screenshot I posted, I simply cropped what wasn't neccessary and nunya. You don't show up here.

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. That's clearly not neccessary for me to do. You on the otherhand, have been going out of your way to try and do just that. You have going on about how wonderful you are. Not exactly the best way to enter a forum that you're new to now is it?

If you don't want your "opinions" disagreed with, don't post them.

Since you're unaware, when you report posts, all admins and mods are alerted.

Dave

Thought you would have replied by now, I would like to know where I have been going on about how wonderful I am though because all I can see is me trying to tell you the truth and you trying to tell me its Boll*cks.

[LongTail]

Google PR just updated today.

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by treggs

Thought you would have replied by now, I would like to know where I have been going on about how wonderful I am though because all I can see is me trying to tell you the truth and you trying to tell me its Boll*cks.

For what purpose?

You know damn well what I was referring to. Your very first post on this forum was to tell another member how they hadn't a clue as to what they were talking about and how you could teach a 6 year old to "do it" in less than hour. How you've been doing SEO before Google even existed. Reporting posts and singing your accolaids about how good you are in those reports. Grow up.

Telling the truth? Whose truth? The mighty treggs version? I already pointed out, if you don't want your "opinions" disagreed with, don't post them.

Dave

[Niche]

Sounds like there is a newbie trying desperately to get kicked off this forum

[OpticBurst.com]

Originally Posted by treggs

Thought you would have replied by now, I would like to know where I have been going on about how wonderful I am though because all I can see is me trying to tell you the truth and you trying to tell me its Boll*cks.

LMAO LOL HaHaHa Lets see your Google Analytic's!

[ps3pro]

Well sometimes a hard hitting message gets the point across to new members - read a forum well before joining - (I'm a fine one to talk though - my first post here was with a very famous moderator CPB - and my question was 'How do I submit to Google' - I got a firm reply! - It does no harm to get the correct info in a snap shot.


Erm CTABUK you are talking nonsense there . This caught my eye that you state to read the stickies before posting .

Now if it wasn't for that guy posting that message in the first place i would of not found this site at the top of google as it led me to this page as he had typed exactly what i typed so this site has just gained another customer.

Also I honestly belive pr is a load of muck unless you want your keyword to be something silly like "MCDONALDS" or "ps3" . I have recently noticed something really strange to , that pages with no page rank are jumbled up amongst pages pr5 to pr7 WITH SOME BEING ON PAGE 1 and beating competitors that are relevant to that keyword. Explain that one then.

Thanks from the ps3pro team

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by ps3pro

Now if it wasn't for that guy posting that message in the first place i would of not found this site at the top of google as it led me to this page as he had typed exactly what i typed so this site has just gained another customer.

Really? Which data center (ip)? Since I'm not seeing it "at the top of Google" I hope you'll be so kind as to point this out so the rest of us can see it too.

Originally Posted by ps3pro

Also I honestly belive pr is a load of muck unless you want your keyword to be something silly like "MCDONALDS" or "ps3" . I have recently noticed something really strange to , that pages with no page rank are jumbled up amongst pages pr5 to pr7 WITH SOME BEING ON PAGE 1 and beating competitors that are relevant to that keyword. Explain that one then.

Thanks from the ps3pro team

If you're referring to the toolbar then yes... it's a load of muck. Internal PR is a different matter.

As for as your "recent" observation about the toolbar PR variances when it comes to sites in the SERP's, it's nothing new. The green pixels are not a ranking metric. If you turn it off and then start evaluating the individual sites you'll get a far better indication of why sites rank where they do.

Dave

[ps3pro]

Also can i just say to treggs "are you stupid" ???

He says he has over 300 hits a day from his "relavant keywords" lmao check out his forum . Its full of spammy links from a bot that has no relevance to pit bikes .

[ps3pro]

Hi crankydave . Yes it was google . I typed this into google and yes this site did come top

when is googles next pr update

[ps3pro]

Originally Posted by ps3pro

Hi crankydave . Yes it was google . I typed this into google and yes this site did come top

when is googles next pr update

EDIT: I live in oxford Uk and its coming up top on virgin broadband but 6th on BT as just checked on my dads internet and typed the same key phrase in

<please add your link to your signature in the "User CP">

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by ps3pro

Also can i just say to treggs "are you stupid" ???

No you may not.

Dave

[mit]

I have seen a little PR toolbar update on 2 April, some of my websites dropped in PageRank.

[treggs]

Originally Posted by OpticBurst.com

LMAO LOL HaHaHa Lets see your Google Analytic's!

here.s my analytics screen shot not entirely accurate its on average 30% down from my stats as not all linux users know how to install java and I have a lot of linux users visiting my site as you can see by the browser stats

http://www.ps3linuxworld.com/analytics.jpg
http://www.ps3linuxworld.com/analytics2.jpg

as you can see even without the full stats its a lot more than 300 hits a month for "PS3 Linux"

seams I exaggerated saying I've been doing SEO since before Google existed but before anyone knew Google existed would be accurate

[treggs]

Originally Posted by crankydave

For what purpose?

You know damn well what I was referring to. Your very first post on this forum was to tell another member how they hadn't a clue as to what they were talking about and how you could teach a 6 year old to "do it" in less than hour. How you've been doing SEO before Google even existed. Reporting posts and singing your accolaids about how good you are in those reports. Grow up.

Telling the truth? Whose truth? The mighty treggs version? I already pointed out, if you don't want your "opinions" disagreed with, don't post them.

Dave

If I was singing my accolades when reporting posts you can't really call it singing as it only goes to mods, I was merely stating that I have extensive experience in this field and the way my posts were getting answered was wrong so I reported them that is my right is it not?

[treggs]

Originally Posted by ps3pro

Also can i just say to treggs "are you stupid" ???

He says he has over 300 hits a day from his "relavant keywords" lmao check out his forum . Its full of spammy links from a bot that has no relevance to pit bikes .

Your point is irrelevant from the topic

thanks for the heads up though my last server upgrade must have opened up some vulnerabilities don't you just love Linux