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[full house]

yah! thats why without SEO websites are not visible in all users! cheers!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by full house

yah! thats why without SEO websites are not visible in all users! cheers!

Clarification, please.

[SIA]

So we all see what happens if Google begins to allow these results to be a part of the basis on how a website is ranked right? In the services section we will have a ton of people offering to post site reviews for a dollar amount. People will use this to either build up their own site, or tear down a competitors site. It will be scary to think of how many negatives I would get for the top rankings I have.

The woods are a pretty place to explore and wander in until a pack of wolves picks up your scent.

[full house]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Clarification, please.

What I want to say, website is nothing without SEO. Users won't view your website without the help of SEO.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by full house

What I want to say, website is nothing without SEO. Users won't view your website without the help of SEO.

Do you mean that a web site is invisible without SEO?

[adtastichosting]

Originally Posted by full house

What I want to say, website is nothing without SEO. Users won't view your website without the help of SEO.

That's the craziest thing I've ever heard with regard to websites and seo.

Of course users will visit a website that doesn't have "SEO" what the heck is seo anyways. It's like which came first, the chicken or the egg.

A website that is designed with the best interests of the user experience in mind is pure seo as far as that goes.

Actually, seo might simply be called a process of taking a website and polishing it to a greater chance of rising high enough in the search engines on relevant searches that users can find it and click on the link in the search engine index but that might be the more "professional" description.

I think what the poster might have meant was that a website might have a hard time of ranking well in major search engines without seo and thus might not be easily found or found at all by visitors. But whether a website has "seo" or not has nothing to do with if anyone will look at it in fact there are plenty of websites that get plenty of traffic and are nigh to be found in the top 25 of search engine listings. Its called advertising.

And with that said if you are not following Google very closely these days you just might miss the boat when it comes to seo of the future because there is a shaking of the tree going on in that regard and the days of seo as we knew it are quickly passing us. Only the sites that truly understand how to best implement the most comprehensive user experience that speaks the language google is expecting to hear will enjoy the top of the dogpile because traditional "seo" as we knew and were taught is not going to work as easily today as it did yesterday.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by adtastichosting

Only the sites that truly understand how to best implement the most comprehensive user experience that speaks the language google is expecting to hear will enjoy the top of the dogpile because traditional "seo" as we knew and were taught is not going to work as easily today as it did yesterday.

OFF-TOPIC: If I would start a new thread for a site review, would you give me a hand?

[adtastichosting]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

OFF-TOPIC: If I would start a new thread for a site review, would you give me a hand?

Well, only one hand, two hands will cost you...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by adtastichosting

Well, only one hand, two hands will cost you...

I think you would pay me for offering you the opportunity to review my site.

Anyway. Back to topic now.

[adtastichosting]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

I think you would pay me for offering you the opportunity to review my site.

Anyway. Back to topic now.

Lol, well thats ok for you to think that.. I spied on your site too and can see we aren't that far apart other than being so far apart, lol.. Ahh the wonder of real-time web analytics.... ok back to topic now for sure...

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by full house

What I want to say, website is nothing without SEO. Users won't view your website without the help of SEO.

Won't or can't, the question "Why not?" is still begged.

BTW, the Penn State Ticket Man's site has never felt the hand of SEO, but is nonetheless, away and by far, the preeminent seller of tickets for Penn State Football. How do you explain such?

[full house]

well, if you compare it to those sites that has SEO for their sites they have good revenue than them.

[adtastichosting]

Well it still comes down to a couple of factors. First of all, every single site on the Internet that has at least one word of text has seo whether deliberately or not. And actually, even with no words of text there is still "seo" technically speaking if there is something that can be measured, identified and indexed by a search engine. Then it comes down to "degree of seo". Degree of seo can be measured by "success of seo". Success of seo is measured by "search engine ranking position". So to speak.
A site might never have intentionally or methodically applied "seo" and can still be very popular. External advertising, word of mouth, social marketing and a ton of other ways a site can become "popular." Just one blurb on a national news program can rocket an obscure site that has never even been ranked in a search engine from nonexistence into significant popularity or traffic.

[aloknath]

JUST stay away from pron, gambling and abusive content if you want to come in Google rankings..

[williamc]

Originally Posted by aloknath

JUST stay away from pron, gambling and abusive content if you want to come in Google rankings..

Porn sites rank well enough for porn terms. as do gambling sites, and even hate sites unfortunately rank for theirs. Oh damn, did I kill your comment? Sorry.

[ctabuk]

Greetings WilliamC, how the devil are you? Happy Christmas.

adtastichosting said 'I think what the poster might have meant was that a website might have a hard time of ranking well in major search engines without seo and thus might not be easily found or found at all by visitors. But whether a website has "seo" or not has nothing to do with if anyone will look at it in fact there are plenty of websites that get plenty of traffic and are nigh to be found in the top 25 of search engine listings. Its called advertising.'



Well all I can add to that is, anyone who has to advertise a website is missing the entire concept. John (webnauts) skyped me today with this.
Brits Don’t Understand Search Engine Optimisation (SEO)

How true, sadly how true.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by full house

well, if you compare it to those sites that has SEO for their sites they have good revenue than them.

Which does not answer any of the questions put to you.

To repeat,

"Won't or can't, the question "Why not?" is still begged.

BTW, the Penn State Ticket Man's site has never felt the hand of SEO, but is nonetheless, away and by far, the preeminent seller of tickets for Penn State Football. How do you explain such?"

[adtastichosting]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Greetings WilliamC, how the devil are you? Happy Christmas.

adtastichosting said 'I think what the poster might have meant was that a website might have a hard time of ranking well in major search engines without seo and thus might not be easily found or found at all by visitors. But whether a website has "seo" or not has nothing to do with if anyone will look at it in fact there are plenty of websites that get plenty of traffic and are nigh to be found in the top 25 of search engine listings. Its called advertising.'



Well all I can add to that is, anyone who has to advertise a website is missing the entire concept. John (webnauts) skyped me today with this.
Brits Don’t Understand Search Engine Optimisation (SEO)

How true, sadly how true.

Yes sad and true. The bulk of my business is small buisnesses. Somehow they seem to think along these terms:
"Ok, I just spent a bunch of money and built a really nice website" (really nice website is relative to their terms and way of thinking not necessarily to what makes a 'really nice website' from a commercial perspective). "Now I have this 'really nice website' and I have been paying for hosting for an untold number of months and my website isn't making me money. Must be the fault of my hosting company/web designer et, al."
Then it takes me hours and hours of work to teach them that no, it is not a case of "build it and they will come". It requires constant attention and SEO in order to get there and even then, it's never ending. All you can do is build one step at a time and develop, develop, develop.

So yes, I guess what I am saying is that indeed, there are many out there that are 'missing the entire concept'. Even after you explain it to them until you are blue in the face they still don't get it.

[full house]

maybe they do other way of promotion like media marketing and others.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by full house

maybe they do other way of promotion like media marketing and others.

What would non-media marketing be?

Marketing requires communications; communications requires a medium.