HowLong After a Cache How Long Before We Rank "Normally"?

[JJ1]

Dear all,

I wonder if you can give advice?

We created Unique Websites Website Design Ipswich Hadleigh Suffolk Website Designer in early March. Google found it about 3 weeks ago and did a first cache on 4th April. It has since done another 2 caches but for a non-competitive search like "website design hadleigh" we are still coming in on page 2 - with non-relevant websites on page 1.

Previously, we had another website ( Affordable Website Design | Web Design Hadleigh Ipswich Suffolk ) which had exactly the same info as Unique Websites and that went to the top of "website design hadleigh" within 8 days of Google first finding it - this suggests to me that the internal SEO seems OK. (The website is now way down as I stripped all the content out of it - seee below).

Unfortunately, Q Websites was only just being registered by Google when we created Unique Websites to replace it and AS SOON as we registered Unique Websites I took all the info out of Q Websites except to say please go to Unique Websites - yes I know, I know, I did'nt do a proper redirect - which I bitterly regret now.

Do you think we've been put into the supplemental index because of a temporary - and innocent - duplication of content or do we just need to be patient and wait???

I'd be grateful for any views.

JJ1

[Peter (IMC)]

with non-relevant websites on page 1.

That's just your opinion because you think your site is the only relevant website,..

[JJ1]

Peter,

Not at all.

If you search for "website design", then websites about the salvation army or a bed and breakfast or a carpet shop that just happen to contain the phrase "website design by company x" are less relevant to "website design" than a website that is all about a website design company and yet - at the moment - they are coming up before our website.

I forgot to say in my last posting that Q Websites got to the top of "website design hadleigh" with no links whatsoever - Unique Websites now has 11 links and increasing but is still way down the listings. Does anyone have any experience of this and if or when Google will rank us????

JJ1

[mjtaylor]

JJ1: I think you should do the 301 now ... yes, your failure to do that could be the prob ... Cheers, MJ

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

That's just your opinion because you think your site is the only relevant website,..

Did you knee jerk this, Peter? If you check the search he did I think you might have to munch on those words.

[JJ1]

Thanks MJTaylor,

Can we still do a 301 even though Q websites has now fallen down to p3 for "website design hadleigh" whereas Unique Websites is now higher at p2 for the same search? If Unique Websites has been put in the supplemental, will this get it out of it???

As I said in my first post, I took all the content out of Q Websites as soon as I created Unique Websites and so Q Websites started falling from its no 1 position but Unique Websites hasn't replaced it even though Unique Websites now has - comparatively - more links. (I'm still working on link building.)

I'm not sure whether Unique Websites has been put in the supplemental or not - it's been cached a couple of times this month, Google does not show any "similar pages" and typing site:yourdomain.com -inallurl:yourdomain.com into Google (where yourdomain.com = uniquewebsites.co.uk) suggests that the pages are in the main index. However, Unique Websites is still showing after "irrelevant websites" 12 days after the first cache. Is this normal??

Would appreciate any advice.

JJ1

[incrediblehelp]

Well the bottom line if both websites dont seem to have much worth in Google. Once you decide which one to promote I would suggest that you concentrate on link building ideas.

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

JJ1: I think you should do the 301 now ... yes, your failure to do that could be the prob ... Cheers, MJ


Did you knee jerk this, Peter? If you check the search he did I think you might have to munch on those words.

Well yess, a little,. Because usually Google's got it right and the webmaster doesn't. In this case it is indeed a little less obvious. But let's look at it from Google's (non language understanding) point of view.

JJ1,

If we can understand why Google puts those sites above yours, we will know what to do to get your site at the top.

I visited your website and I was surprised to say the least. Your keyword phrase is: website design hadleigh. But it's not showing up on your page. Nowhere to be found. But no problem, you'd still can argue that your website is much more related to "website design hadleigh" than those others.

But what's Google's logic? You´re looking for website design in Hadleigh. All those results you consider unrelated, do make it very easy to find a website design company that at least has built websites for people / companies in Hadleigh. Let's go through a list of points which Google seems to be following:

• Google chose to select Hadleigh as the higher level keyword. That is a good thing in this case because it would have chosen one of the other 2 keywords as the higher level keyword, lots of sites that have absolutely nothing to do with Hadleigh would rank high.
• Websites that focus on Hadleigh are selected and then they look at the other 2 words. These other 2 words have to show up on the page and they need to be exactly that. Phrases like "Quality website design" are less related to website design than you may think. You may not agree with this, but from a search engine's point of view this is true. And in my opinion, from a language point of view too. It's very hiarchical, almost mathematical, thinking but this actually gets the best search results (though you can show examples of this not being true of course.)

Now lets look at your website:

• Your home page is full of all kinds of website design, but the exact search phrase does not exist.
• There is no focus on Hadleigh, only on Website design. Your company happens to be located in Hadleigh, but that doesn't show in your website. This is why Google considers you less related than some of those sites that are not about website design.

So how are we going to solve this problem?

• Focus on the keywords.
• Make a page about Website Design Hadleigh.
• Help Google understand what you want to rank high for.

I am convinced that if you just focus the right way, then you'll get those rankings. Best way is to show that you serve businesses in your area. You can do this best through specific pages. This is also good for your visitors. They'll know you´re there for them.

I agree that those results aren't much related, but in my opinion, that is because more related results aren't available (from an algoritmical point of view of course.)

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by JJ1

Do you think we've been put into the supplemental index because of a temporary - and innocent - duplication of content or do we just need to be patient and wait???

You have NO single page in the supplemental index, so you better look for other possible problems.

[kevsta]

yes, you can still do the 301, do it, it will help and you need all the help you can get link wise. im reading 3 links worth having (ie not missing or dofollowed) and theyre not strong ones.

you dont need many, a few decent links (one or two good ones) and you could be top 5 in a few weeks easy enough. (for that search anyway)

[JJ1]

Thank you Peter for taking the trouble to look through our site. Your comment that Google considers the location (Hadleigh) to be the primary keyword was really helpful.

Your comment set me thinking: the only difference in content and internal SEO between the old Q Websites (which got to no 1 on "website design Hadleigh" within a week of being found by Google and had absolutely no links) and our new site Unique Websites (which is still on p2 of the same search term in spite of having more links 2 weeks after being cached) is that - on the old Q Websites - I put all my FAQ at the bottom of my default page rather than on a separate FAQ page. The FAQ do contain a couple of mentions of Hadleigh in the headings.

Do you think this could be the reason why Unique Websites has performed so much worse than the old Q Websites??? I have now moved the FAQ back to the default page to see what happens - I don't like it so much but if it gets results ...

Also, I have taken up your suggestion about having a page combining "website design" and "Hadleigh" - Website Design Hadleigh Ipswich Suffolk: About Us - sorry am not sure how to display this without the system changing our website address to my signature!

Many thanks again

JJ1

[JJ1]

Kevsta,

Many thanks for your reply - do you really think a 301 will help at this stage even though QWebsites has got no links, has had all the content stripped from it and has now fallen below Unique Websites in the Google lists? - I know now that I should have done this to start with.

Also, what system do you use to check the backlinks - I was using MarketLeap but a few days ago this suddenly stopped showing me any links at all even though they do still show up in the Google Account Webmaste Tools. How do you know which of these links are worth having?

Many thanks,

JJ1

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

That's just your opinion because you think your site is the only relevant website,..

Peter have you noticed that the original poster is an SEO?

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Peter have you noticed that the original poster is an SEO?

I noticed that JJ1 is a webdesigner.

Have you noticed the second (much longer) post I did?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

I noticed that JJ1 is a webdesigner.

Have you noticed the second (much longer) post I did?

Excellent post Peter! I missed that one. Sorry.
I was just wondering how people that do not even know the basics of SEO can sell SEO services. Do we professionals call that scam? And will they come to us so we do their job for free here?
Geeesh!!! I am so sick of that unethical stuff brother.

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Excellent post Peter! I missed that one. Sorry.
I was just wondering how people that do not even know the basics of SEO can sell SEO services. Do we professionals call that scam? And will they come to us so we do their job for free here?
Geeesh!!! I am so sick of that unethical stuff brother.

This seems to infer (especially if one doesn't carefully read the thread) that the OP has represented themselves as an SEO ... and they have not ... either here or on their website.

I would hope that you would consider making it clear, Webnauts, that you are not saying that the OP is unethical or scamming.

Lots of knee jerking on this thread, it seems ...

Cheers, MJ

[Uncle Dog]

On the web-design page -
"At Unique Websites, we can help you to write and structure your website for SEO and we will design, structure and code your website with SEO in mind. "

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Excellent post Peter! I missed that one. Sorry.
I was just wondering how people that do not even know the basics of SEO can sell S