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PubCon Las Vegas 2007: Matt Cutts of Google and Vanessa Fox » WebProNews Videos At the start of that video Matt Cutts says in clear terms: "Sites selling links can loose the ability pass pagerank". Can is as a relative concept. Natural questions:
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Mini Network:: Financial information at your fingertips Learn object oriented programming where it started Last edited by kgun; 12-14-2007 at 12:07 PM. |
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Well, what's new? Google did cut the PR of quite a few major link selling sites this year - and those sites can no longer pass it ... because they don't have it.
The question, does it apply to the whole site? can be answered by looking at whether any of the pages of a given site have PR. If they do they can pass it ... Limits? I think if Google saw one link sold it would remove the PR of the page where it's sold ... if the link selling is site wide ... then bye bye PR period ... They *can* if they are *caught* ... or if they fit the pattern that has been worked into the algorithm to address the issue.
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Limits? I think if Google saw one link sold it would remove the PR of the page where it's sold ... if the link selling is site wide ... then bye bye PR period ... </quote> So the conclusion is. If you wan't to sell links on your page:
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Do not turn this thread into an usability / accessibility discussion. Cross contry skiing is not relevant for every human being, as it is irrelevant for most people to go alone to the South Pole. Then he also needed equipment that only a few people need.
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Note the word hide.
Can it be compared to insider trading on the stock exchange? The laws on that are very strict in Norway and as far as I understand, no less strict in the USA. The internet business is young, but rules will follow. Internet law even younger than the business. IMO a growing and may be very profitable subbusiness of law generally (for younger lawyers). Remeber the message and date of this post.
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Mini Network:: Financial information at your fingertips Learn object oriented programming where it started Last edited by kgun; 12-15-2007 at 03:24 PM. |
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I note your use of 'hide' and I acknowledge the need to hide link buying from Google if one wants to retain one's good ranking. But isn't having to hide from Google a pragmatical rather than an ethical issue?
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What does being competitive have to do with "right or wrong"? What does natural have to do with "right or wrong"?
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I think when google cut the little green bar rank. it follows through the whole site.
but they seem to still send you the traffic anyway. (observations from my own sites only) I have no idea, if the page rank down line, for off site links is effected.
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May I join the discussion too?
Some statements of Google. Please read carefully: Quote:
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Reading all the above, I do not see anything unfair from the part of Google. It is a fair and an ethical requirement to protect the webmasters from spamindexers or black hat SEOs, and the searchers from manipulated and irrelevant search results, and above all that to improve their search engine quality. I have observe this topic for a while, and I have noticed that they hit the PageRank of the pages where bought or sold links have been found, but reading the bolded in red marked phrases, whole site can be negatively affected in terms of ranking results. I am not a fan of anyone, except of myself After reading the above, I do not think there is any space left to blame Google for anything. If you want to hide links, just do. But do it clever enough that you can pass the PR. If you do that, you must know that you are already wearing a BLACK HAT!!! You are not doing anything else than cloaking or whatever you want to call it. to manipulate the search results! I am against such dirty practices and I reported several sites already to Google. Who's next please? JUST MY LAST FEW DOLLARS...
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Yes, and this thread was hijacked, since the thread in the SEO forum was reduced to a discussion about Google.
This is the Google sub forum. But who cares? Question: SEO experts or Google experts?
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I did not mean to hijack this thread, which is why I started the ethics question as a separate thread ... my apologies if I have done something untoward.
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This short post is inspired by an authoritative book "Microeconomic analysis" chapter 24, third edition by Hal Varian ISBN 0-393-96026-9
Economists have tools that dates back to Pigou (1920) to answer these questions. The subject is "externalties" in production and consumption. When the actions of one agent directly (read sold or bought links) affect the environment of another agent (read Google's PageRank algorithme or competitors that do not buy links), we call this an externalty. In the case of an externalty in production, the production of one company (Google's PageRank) is affected by the actions or production by another company (e.g. sold links). In general, market equilibria will be inefficient in the presence of externalties. This naturally leads to an examination of various measures to restore an efficient market equilibrium, like disallowing pagerank to be passed on sold links. |
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Two updated links that may be of interest to you:
How to implement 'rel=nofollow' - google-blog.dirson.com (E.g. how it is done on phpBB). Directories To Avoid that Don't Pass PR (Page Rank) |
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Well, we all know this is the case today for sure, this is an old thread so the facts are established.
Matt Cutts said many times that if a webmaster sold links without no follow tags that Google would remove the power to pass PR from those pages. |
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It is real easy, if Google identifies you as a link seller in a contextual link brokers network or if you running interlinked directory link farms, all Google has to do is get a spam report on a page a few times or if they have a directory tagged as a link farm they simply de-index it and give it a PR 0
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No, I don't agree. It is not easy if it is done behind the scenes and (partly) randomized. Reread post 35 - 38 in the above mentioned thread if you do not take my point.
In my opinion it is an agenda for black hat SEO. I have seen it time again and again. This only hurt serious webmasters while the black hatters make money. Exercise: There are not millions, but billions of billons of links out there. How should
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It is easy for Google due to their sophisticated link mapping software technology that shows them all reciprocal, triangular and interlinking relationships, they know more about linking than webmasters and black hat scam artists combined.
Google builds profiles on webmasters, they know all the sites you control, own or are associated with also, so if you are involved with link farms, link selling or buying beware. Last edited by AVC; 06-01-2008 at 10:55 AM. |
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Don't underestimate this potential. My final remark. A search engine do not own the webs link structure, link base and related information. The search engine own their alogorithms. As an economist, a search engine should be very careful with
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