The Ongoing PageRank Massacre Hits Big Players

Webnauts · #1 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 07:51 PM

Search industry watchdogs have noticed an ongoing radical slashing of many (former) darlings’ PR values.

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cass-hacks · #2 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 09:16 PM

One possibility is that the internal PageRank scale changed, which had to happen and will continue to have to happen one way or another as more and more pages are added to teh interweb.

Also, if the internal to toolbar PageRank formula is non-linear and possibly something similar to logarithmic, pages with higher toolbar PageRank would automatically appear to be harder hit.

Lastly, it needn't appear to happen to every single site in the high PageRank bracket because during the period between April and when those site's toolbar PageRank dropped, some of the high PageRank sites could have received enough new inbound links to put them off the charts, which could also explain why and what was done in the first place.

All guesswork of course but a shifting of the internal to toolbar PageRank scale has to happen at some point anyway or all the pages would be fighting for fewer and fewer PageRank resources or, all bunch up making PageRank less worthwhile as a signal, and that point may be now.

nipplecharms1 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 09:13 AM

I think it is even more sinister...

At the beginning of every financial quarter, Gozizzle and Yohizzle change their algorithms.

Why you ask? Riddle me this Batman! Could it be….

A.) To keep everyone honest?
B.) To better give YOU, the end user, a better experience?
C.) To make sure that the most pertinent pages rank the best?
D.) Allow SEO workers (no pun intended Webnauts) to make a living?

OR could it be…

E.) To make money for the Gozizzle investors and Wall Street so that all us little smucks, when the algorithms do change, will then have to run to Adwords/Sense and pay and pay to get back on the first page and meet our internal estimates for our little businesses. Hell, now the big boys will have to go running too!

It is all a scam. The last great chance was DMOZ and they are now either too lazy or too corrupt (you can buy placement now if you know where to look) to be a real contender. And now that Micosoizzle just bought into FaceBook (for $240Million US) for the advertising end of it… well that site will now become just one more whore platform.

WOW, what do I really think?

Your comments are also welcome!

Michael

dartman · #4 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 09:43 AM

IBL emphasis is out of control in the commercial sector.
Getting links (paid or not) is nothing more then a game in an effort to boost PR.
What is the business wisdom of linking to a competitors site solely for the
purpose of getting a link back.
Blogs - great for experts in their field, otherwise just a disguised link farm.
How many create a blog simply to link to their own pages or agenda.

**incrediblehelp** · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 09:44 AM

Like I posted here, who really cares. I would love to hear which of all these websites that had their TBPR lowered saw a decrease in traffic. I have heard lots of them have actually seen an increase in traffic, lol.

Webnauts · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman

Blogs - great for experts in their field, otherwise just a disguised link farm.
How many create a blog simply to link to their own pages or agenda.

I do.

Webnauts · #7 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Like I posted here, who really cares. I would love to hear which of all these websites that had their TBPR lowered saw a decrease in traffic. I have heard lots of them have actually seen an increase in traffic, lol.

I read your post in your blog and the only thing I thought was:

If I do not care about something, I do not waste my thoughts or words for it.

Think about what I said twice. When people experience a loss or a failure, then they just come up with some bloody excuses. So if the ones who say they do not care about their PR loss, cannot be honest.

Such cheap attitude is far beyond my level.

Just my two cents.

**incrediblehelp** · #8 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:17 PM

Cheap attitude? I take the time to help many here, so I don't want to hear that. Wasting time on "unimportant" number like TBPR is ludicrous. Anyone that calls themselves and SEO should be ashamed of themselves if they say TBPR doesn't make a difference in one breath and then cry foul now since theirs went down.

TBPR or even PR for that matter is NOT YOURS. So losing it shouldn't be a considered a loss for yourself or your websites.

**incrediblehelp** · #9 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:21 PM

Another good thread on the subject in case you missed it John:

Search Engine Guide Publisher Responds to PageRank Drop - Search Engine Guide Blog

Webnauts · #10 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Cheap attitude? I take the time to help many here, so I don't want to hear that. Wasting time on "unimportant" number like TBPR is ludicrous. Anyone that calls themselves and SEO should be ashamed of themselves if they say TBPR doesn't make a difference in one breath and then cry foul now since theirs went down.

TBPR or even PR for that matter is NOT YOURS. So losing it shouldn't be a considered a loss for yourself or your websites.

Hey man what is up with you? First I was not talking about you. You should already know that. I am talking about the statements of some big players. People don't know here though that we are the big players man.

Jesus. I think I did not express myself the way I met it. If that is the case, my apologies man.

Webnauts · #11 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:36 PM

Do you all know what I never understood about PageRank?

Google says:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Google

The heart of our software is PageRank™.

Source: Google Technology

So how can PageRank be important.

Just wondering and pondering!

Webnauts · #12 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Another good thread on the subject in case you missed it John:

Search Engine Guide Publisher Responds to PageRank Drop - Search Engine Guide Blog

My question Jaan is: Why do people who were smacked in the face want to stop selling links, if PageRank is not important. Isn't the smack in the face the PageRank reduction issue? Or were they otherwise penalized and I missed the track?

**mjtaylor** · #13 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

I think it is even more sinister...

At the beginning of every financial quarter, Gozizzle and Yohizzle change their algorithms.

<snip>
B.) To better give YOU, the end user, a better experience?

Yes, absolutely. Google simply wants to provide better and better results and indeed, they want to do that because that's how they can continue to make money. Nothing sinister about it. Just good business.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman

IBL emphasis is out of control in the commercial sector.
Getting links (paid or not) is nothing more then a game in an effort to boost PR.

And traffic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman

What is the business wisdom of linking to a competitors site solely for the
purpose of getting a link back.

Google loves links out ... especially to authority sites and I would love to see some discussion about how non-reciprocal linking out from home pages can boost ranking in SERPs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman

How many create a blog simply to link to their own pages or agenda.

I would if I didn't spend all my free time here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Do you all know what I never understood about PageRank?

Google says:

Source: Google Technology

So how can PageRank be important.

Just wondering and pondering!

Webnauts: Didn't you mean: How can page rank not be important?

Cheers, MJ

**crankydave** · #14 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 03:23 PM

I've been following this with a casual interest.

Just a passing thought...

If indeed the original premise set forth still holds true...

The sum of all page ranks = 1

And the TBPR is repesented on a scale that is equal for all sites...

Then this is by no means over.

Dave

Webnauts · #15 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Webnauts: Didn't you mean: How can page rank not be important?

Cheers, MJ

Ups? Misspelled MJ. Thanks for correcting me.

"How can page rank not be important?"

coolguy27 · #16 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 05:09 PM

Google now is strictly implementing their New Linking Scheme...

Goodbye to those sites interlinking(cross-linking)...

Webnauts · #17 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 06:16 PM

What do you think about this? Official: Selling Paid Links Can Hurt Your PageRank Or Rankings On Google

Why should we care if the PageRank, (not ranking on Google) will be hurt?

Why don't they just say: Official: Selling Links Can Hurt Your Rankings On Google?

Again just wondering and pondering...

**incrediblehelp** · #18 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 06:23 PM

Sorry John I understand now. I really see nothing changing here except for the greenbar, which makes this a funny Halloween.