New site, question about google search results

[nimaha]

I've read these forums for quite awhile and finally have a question of my own.

I just completed a site. I set up the google sitemap, submitted my url and all that. Google shows about 57 pages indexed which is about right. I was very careful in how I set up each page. I have many help articles that I used keywords on, but it's a very competitive industry so I know results are going to be tough.

I keep checking every day to see what's new. Google still doesn't have stats for me which is fine, but it has been about a month now. What I found odd is that I'll take a very specific string from my site and paste it into google with quotations to return only sites with that specific order of words. It never returns my page (or any other page, of course).

It makes me think that Google is not reading my text even though the site is indexed. Am I just being impatient?

[carpediem]

Hi nimaha,

Originally Posted by nimaha

Google still doesn't have stats for me

For clarification: Are you referring to Google Analytics?


The surest (and most times, fastest) way to get pages on your site crawled more frequently and ranked for your keywords is to get external links from relevant, authoritative sites pointing to that page. Start working on checking out what your competitors and industry leaders get their links from through advanced search operators. There is a plethora of quality information on WPW concerning this also.


Knowing the url of said site would also help.

~D

[Peter (IMC)]

What´s the site? Without the site you won't get much helpful replies.

[incrediblehelp]

If you have only been online for a month then it is normal not have some pages indexed. If you have been online for a year then no. What type of back links you have? Do these back links, link ot your inner pages?

[bj]

Yeah, we need the url. And it'll give you an inbound link too! It's part of thinking like a webmaster. You'll notice all the regulars have links in their signature lines.

[craigmn3]

Google adds value to a listing by

Quality of Inbound Links
Quality of Content
Age of The site/Domain

You have most likely taken care of the quality of content. The other two remain a factor

[MarcGrobman]

Originally Posted by nimaha

Am I just being impatient?

Yes.

You need to get some links to your site, not just a sitemap (infact you may not need a sitemap). It takes Google even longer to visit sites that are new and have few links pointing to them.

[nimaha]

Thanks to everyone for replying. I wasn't sure if it was frowned upon to list the site or not.

It's Mortgage Guide 202 - Mortgage Advice, Help, Calculators, Articles. Like I said, very competitive industry. It's a supplemental site to our main company site.

I find the inbound linking to be the biggest hurdle. It's one of those things where I'm not even sure where to start but I know it's really important.

As for age of the site, well, I'll let time take care of that one.

Looking at Google Sitemaps, I've shown up in one search result for "refinance overcharge closing cost" which would be completely accidental and not worth much.

I guess I know I have to get inbound links to get real results. Isn't there some sort of glossy "get results now" scheme to use? Are you telling me it takes actual work?

[Martinscholes]

It comes up if you search on mortgageguide202

However, if you search on mortgageguide instead, the many other websites using the name mortgageguide come up first. And as they have been on the net for longer, have more inboard links, that's pretty much what you would expect.

[stuart888]

The world of the web has matured, and there are no quick fixes. We all know IBL's are the way to get your page rank up. We all have the same issue, creating at least a few pages that are so fantastic and provide so much value to users that they self promote, get mentioned on tv news shows, get listed on hot topic lists, etc. In short, get content is the way to get your IBL and page rank up.

Best Regards, Stuart

[nimaha]

Clearly, I need inbound links.

Do you all have a strategy that you've used for this? Or at least tips that you're willing to divulge?

Knowing that I need IBLs is a lot different than executing. I have no problem putting in the time and effort. I just want to know I'm doing it right.

[cyberkid]

In a word I find that when I go to a new page from the Home Page, that the same title still appears. ex. Mortagage Loan Application - Mortgage Guide 202

I suggest forcefully targeting the Mortgage market segment that the information pertains to. Like, Home Owner Mortgage Advice. Refii is nice and so is Refinance.

Stress the proper title for each section and then add an extra word to the Title so you'd pass a class at Oxford. In short, lean on it. Once established you have to then expound on keyword and description formulation in a calculated way so as to fill your niche in this highly competitive field. Use any and all SEO tools you find here to continually fine tune your site. Change the meta data once in a while to force the search engines to duplicate listings and adjust the page ranking until you have built a traffic level that then warrants a newsletter, and additional marketing strategies.

[bj]

Fresh content on a regular basis.

A WordPress Blog on your site (the wordpress.org version) would be a good way to get that fresh content up there, and gets you inbound links every time you post, but you have to blog regularly for this to work, have update service pinging set up, have a good permalink structure, and submit to all the blog directories and sitelists. I find adding a (or even better, building the whole site in) Wordpress blog shortcuts the site indexing enormously. There is no such thing as a sandbox when it's a wordpress site.

[nimaha]

I actually do have the blog going now. MortgageGuide202 -

I probably need to post more often, though.

Thanks for the tips.

[williemanillie]

Be very careful with a blog though. If you IBL to your main site on every entry, welcome to the SPAM club. Use IBLs in the blog sparingly or one for every 20 entries.

Regarding your strategy, instead of blasting all 50+ articles or pages at once....you could add one or two pages of content at a time. This way Google just sees this as new content over an extended period of time.

[Seminole386]

If I had a mortgage site I would design a calculator that realtors could post on their site which would "of course" link back to my site. Another way to insure the link back would be to give them the ability to frame your calculator page on their site. I would also give Realtors a link back if they took my offer. After all they can generate more business for you than any other source.

[SemAdvance]

You should find a new host altogether for your blog then link to your site on occasion using anchor text links containing your keyword terms.

Next open blogs on blogger.com Yahoo 360 and Msn Spaces.

Link to your site from these blogs as well again using your anchor text links.

You now have 3 high valued sites linking to yours, plus a fourth site of your own passing a little link love.

Next find Realtor forums and post answers to questions and use the sig link to use anchor text to your blog.

Next answer questions at Yahoo Answers and link to your blog.

You're now passing high value links to your blog which will pass on to your website.

Lastly have some social bookmarking done for your main site and then your blog the next week.

Build a link or two to your main site sitemap page and you're off an running with anchor text links and speedy indexing by the bots.

Next you'll need some traffic thats targeted.

Post an ad daily or more if a very popular city... under Real Estate in the Services category on Craiglist.org, Post on backpages.com and any other valuable classified sites and send targeted traffic to your site.

A Plan for success ;->

Peace!

[nimaha]

Be very careful with a blog though. If you IBL to your main site on every entry, welcome to the SPAM club. Use IBLs in the blog sparingly or one for every 20 entries.

But I am assuming I can leave a few permanent links back to the site on the side for navigational purposes. Right?

If I had a mortgage site I would design a calculator that realtors could post on their site which would "of course" link back to my site.

Tools for brokers and realtors is a great idea that I'd like to use, but I'm not that smart of a web designer/developer...yet. The calculators I have on the site are ones I bought and built into the framework of the site.

[Martinscholes]

You could also think about getting videos made (by yourself) and place it on sites like IFILM and youtube with links back to your site.

[chadhaajay]

In my personal opinion, you are getting impatient. Have a little patience and wait for the show to begin

Sincerely,

Ajay Chadha (Director)
Chadha Software Technologies

[seoethics]

The biggest skill being an SEO shud be Patient, Your site still has a month or more getting online. So let the time play role. You'll see reasons soon.

Be Patient and Keep Chilling !!
Altaf

[allaffiliatepro]

Hi,
I'd recommend starting by submitting your site to all the directories you can. I have a girl I get to do this for me (this is a very tedious task to do yourself), she does it all by hand so your chance of getting listed is very high. Email me if you are interested, I think she has about 300 or so directories last time I checked.

[seo4china]

Agreed with giving it some time

[crossland]

The domain is showing as having been created last December. Did you register this domain yourself or buy it from someone who had been using it? If someone else had previously used it, did they do anything to try and promote it?

Tim
Guitar Store

[qh4dotcom]

Google is strange. I thought one of my sites was banned when it disappeared from their index 3 years ago...a few weeks, it came back.
I've given up on trying to figure out Google.

[leesw]

Yep, you're being too impatient. I understand the impatience, but good websites are like fine wine to Google--they only get better with time............and quality inbound links.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by leesw

Yep, you're being too impatient. I understand the impatience, but good websites are like fine wine to Google--they only get better with time............and quality inbound links.

Or, if not properly bottled, vinegar.

[alienpest]

This has turned out to be a very helpful forum, with the most logical advice I have seen to date. I enjoyed reading it.

[nimaha]

I just wanted to thank everyone for your replies. You've all been very helpful.

Hopefully with a little patience, a little hard work and a little luck, I'll be on my way.

[kula]

just got back from a trip and had to reply to this post!

i have several customers in your industry and after examining your site I advise that you participate in industry forums where you can post links, especially to your news page.

its a good, quick way to get quality inks back to your site indexed!

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by kula

just got back from a trip and had to reply to this post!

i have several customers in your industry and after examining your site I advise that you participate in industry forums where you can post links, especially to your news page.

its a good, quick way to get quality inks back to your site indexed!

Forum links don't help much for the search engines, but they can bring good visitors. Do it for the visitors. Also,.. You need to really participate in a forum in order to get reasonable results from forum links. One post a month for the purpose of getting a link isn't going to do much.

[dartman]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Forum links don't help much for the search engines, but they can bring good visitors. Do it for the visitors. Also,.. You need to really participate in a forum in order to get reasonable results from forum links. One post a month for the purpose of getting a link isn't going to do much.

Agree. I've found that after G, Y and MSN a lot of traffic comes from several product targeted forums (not this one) I post in.

What is your opinion on sig links on myface, flickr and similar high vis sites?

BTW Peter - we haven't corresponded in quite some time about site design (if you recall those discussions). I did rework the site which has been
in the #1 spot for the most important kw for a long time now.
.

[privatefleet]

I think a heap of your pages are in the supplemental index which means Google has seen them and indexed them but deems them not worthy to return in SERPs

I'm in the same boat for a lot of my pages

If you do a search for "site:www.mortgageguide202.com/&" in Google it shows 56 results but if you search for "site:www.mortgageguide202.com" it shows 59. I think (and I could well be wrong) that means 56 of your 59 pages are in the SI.

Frustrating because not showing up for searches makes it doubly hard to get links to these pages (no one will link to a page they don't know exists!) which would go a long way to getting them in the main index.

Follow everybody's advice here and you should get them back. Directories sound like a good idea here too - submitting internal URLs if you can rather than just homepage