Eliminate your competitors from Google easily!

[eko]

I ld like to introduce another bug of Google.Maybe they havent realised this yet,lets see we will see from comments.

Assume that you have competitors or same kind of web sites with other people.If you are not a real Gentleman , you can prevent his site's indexing by Google.How? I will explain but you must know that Im a real Gentleman.

First:You must define you competitors exactly.
Second:You can submit his/her URL to Google more than 10 times a day.As everybody knows Google assumes as "SPAM Submission" if somebody submits before 2 months.By this way, your competitors will be punished by Google because of SPAM Submission and your site will go upper than him.
Has Google a way to prevent this like Submit activation? No. Submission for Google reqires only URL and Comments but not an email for checking who is the Submitter.How they can clerify if the submitter is that website's owner? They have to compare this.Google must definetly change their Submission Method in future.
This is another bug of Google.
I will go on announcing their weak points.Ofcourse I dont advice this as a Gentleman but there are lots of "Bad Guys" on the net;)

(MOD edit: advertisements deleted. If you have services to offer, do so in "Freelance Work".)

[janeth]

This is not true submitting you site to Google will not hurt you.

[cbp]

Second:You can submit his/her URL to Google more than 10 times a day

Won't work or we all would have been doing it a long time ago.

Have you been doing this? Did you know that Google probably have got your IP address from doing this? Guess who is more likely to get banned?

CBP

[eko]

Sure? For example webproworld.com is my competitor and I m submitting www.webproworld.com to Google 10 times aday.Its a fact that webproworld will be punished by Google and have a worse ranking.But What can Google do to me if he gets my IP? Nothing. Maybe you havent realised but this Bug will can create a chaos on the net if everybody submits their competitors.You, the SEOs also can do nothing against this chaos how much ever you work for optimisation.The ranking can change at any time by Spamming Google.

If Google(Germany) appoligizes me, I wont announce their other Bugs.Otherwise these reports will go on;))

[geoffreygag]

Google doesn't need to know your IP address. Go to your simple library and enter data for Google submission

[minstrel]

I don't think so, eko, but you're welcome to try the experiment - please report back with your findings.

By the way, you spelled "genius" incorrectly in your tagline: "Genious of the internet"...

[cbp]

Its a fact that webproworld will be punished by Google and have a worse ranking.But What can Google do to me if he gets my IP? Nothing

Thats just not true - you can not harm a site by submitting it 100's of times ... Don't you think that if it was we would all be doing it by now? Don't you think if we were that Google would have worked it out.

If you do this and Google can tie your IP address to a web site (which is not easy) you will be blacklisted (this has been confimred by GG over at WMW). How do you think they banned the sites that were using multiple submissions via WebPositionGold. They did not ban a site because a competitor did it - they banned site(s) linked to the IP address that the submissions were coming from (if they could link the IP to a particular website).

By all means, if you believe this to be correct, waste your time. I would prefer to spend my time improving my site.

CBP

[cbp]

This is straight from Googles Facts & Fiction on their website:

Fiction: A competitor can ruin a site's ranking somehow or have another site removed from Google's index.
Fact: There is almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. Your rank and your inclusion are dependent on factors under your control as a webmaster, including content choices and site design.

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Fiction: A website will be removed from Google's index if it's 'over-submitted'.
Fact: We do not require submission nor do we penalize sites for 'over-submission'. You are free to submit as often as you wish. However, given the nature of our inclusion process, your time is better spent improving the content and links of your site.

So lets put this one "to bed"

CBP

[eko]

CBP, those rules you added your reply are just dreams.Please explain me is it very difficult to submit my competitors website from an internet cafe?
They can do whatever they want with an internet cafe's IP..

Second: Why always Google CEO is advicing if oversubmission will be punished(once in 2 months) ?

They dont have this technology to find out..;)

[cbp]

I give up - I think the Google guidelines spell it out pretty clear, but you do not want to listen.

Why always Google CEO is advicing if oversubmission will be punished(once in 2 months)

I have never seen or heard this anywhere - perhaps you could point us to where it says this or has been said.

CBP

[janeth]

EKO,

Just read Google's rules and you will find out the truth.

There is nothing anyone can do to your website that will hurt you.

[eko]

Do you bet? Please explain in which way they can clerify the submitter.Ofcourse they can write in their rules.Writing doesnt mean they can practice.

[cbp]

All I can say is ... good luck to you.

I am not going down to the internet cafe to waste my time - I am going to spend it here making my site better.

CBP

[janeth]

Some people are able to get there sites ranked with out trying to hurt other people. I did say trying.

This is a waste of time.

[eko]

CBP or Janeth, If this is a wasting time,maybe you can tell me your URL and we can test this hypotesis by spam submitting your URL to Google.We can re-measure your ranking after this experiment.

This is a challenge if anybody is totaly sure about his or her idea.Also this offer is valid for Janeth.

Both of you are SEOs,in anyway you can get your ranking back so you dont have something to loose;)Or do you?

Addition to this, my aim is not to harm anyone,just to tell you that this way is possible to eliminate any competitors.If I would have any competitors, maybe I would try but my site has no competitors on the net.This is why ,there is a "NOarchive.txt" on my HTML codes.I dont need to be indexed by Google.

[janeth]

Hi eko

Want is your URL?

[minstrel]

eko, I really do think it would help you to go to the Google site and review the guidelines for webmasters and for submission.

The "noarchive" tag does not tell Google not to index your site - it instructs Google not to CACHE your site.

[eko]

Janeth, Im a real gentleman.Ladies first pls;)
Maybe you can tell my your existing ranking number.I know your URL, so we can try with http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/

Deal?

[janeth]

Some people work hard at making a living online and getting there web sites to sell while others work hard at trying to hurt other people.

You are a sad person and I want nothing to do with you.

[minstrel]

When I edited the initial post in this thread, I had a suspicion that the post was a thinly-disguised attempt to advertise something that had nothing to do with Google at all.

Subsequently, the thread became first rather silly and then tending toward nasty.

There seems to me to be little point in continuing to watch it degenerate and I am therefore locking it.

[minstrel]

In response to messages of apology from Eko, I've agreed to unlock the thread again.

I would remind everyone that the WebProWorld Forum Rules are quite clear:

* Always display a positive, friendly attitude
* Be respectful of others' opinions
* Debates are great, as long as they remain respectful!
* Even if this is just your own personal opinion, RESPECT YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS

And I'll add this one: Don't make threats or implied threats to other members, even if you think it's in fun.

[eko]

I didnt apologize from anyone but I mentioned that I dont have problem personally on here.To hurt somebody is not my type especially a woman.
As I mentined before Im a real gentleman.

But Google,you will not able to update your algoritm without any notice again.If you cause loss, you will have to pay too.This is a certain Bug on Google and my reports will go on with another bugs;)

[fathom]

hmmm.... unfortunately this dialog is pure RUBBISH!

In the simpliest of terms a "FIRST" submission of a site would send googlebot to investigate, and all subseqent submissions would be "IGNORED".

A far cry from being punished.

Just the same... my URL is http://www.spheri.ca and if you can get my domain to fall from grace with Google -- not only will you make me look like an ass - you will have been the first person to prove that "there is nothing a competitor can do to harm you in Google" statement wrong.

Anyway knock yourself out submit me 10, 100, 1000 each day for as long as you wish.

As a matter of interest though - how did you come up with your conclusions. Google makes no standard "submission dumps", or announces when it does, how would you determine what might be just "bad ranks" from sites, or maybe a duplicate content penalty (or any number of other penalty problems), how would you correlate these requirements to prove such a conclusion. I've never know Google to put a big sign on a website/page -- saying "SUBMISSION SPAM" - is there evidence of this somewhere?

Also Google references many "spam" things - sumitting TOO much however isn't one of them.

[Mel]

Eko
Your suggestions are just not correct based on my experience.

You assume that if you oversubmit a site to Google there will be action taken against that site, but years of experience and Googles written assurance that it will not happen make me think otherwise.

Do you have any evidence or experience to back up your supposition that Google penalizes oversubmission? It might be well for you to read the Google webmaster guidelines and FAQs and if you are not inclined to believe the written word, then I suggest that you demonstrate that what you suggest will have the results that you imply. If you can do that you will have my full attention and if not I will ignore any further posts you make on the subject.

[janeth]

Here is what Phil C has to say about it a long with the information from Google's web site on the subject. http://www.webworldgeeks.com/forum/v...hp?p=2766#2766

[cbp]

Phil's best comment is this:

Google are not stupid when it comes to obvious things like that.

nuf said.

CBP

[PhilC]

For once, I'm in full agreement with Fathom - I must be getting older than I thought :(

I posted in the other forum (the one that Janeth linked to) because this thread was locked when I came across it, and I had something to contribute. I pointed out why the only one that eko can hurt is himself. I won't reprint how that can happen - it's there if you want to see it.

[fathom]

:-) Phil :-)

The world ends today - I think! :-)

[DeYo]

eko, you must be really pissed with Google for some reason ... Everybody agrees that "bug" you "discovered" is non-existent but you should definitely keep looking :)
However, your post has made me read Google's "Fact & Fictions" page and I did notice something here:

Fiction: A competitor can ruin a site's ranking somehow or have another site removed from Google's index.
Fact: There is almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. Your rank and your inclusion are dependent on factors under your control as a webmaster, including content choices and site design.

Why do they say "almost nothing"?! Is there something?

[minstrel]

If a competitor were to provide evidence to Google of fraud or other significant wrongdoing via an abuse report, Google might remove that URL from its index. If you are not doing anything illegal, I doubt that you have anything to worry about.

PhilC, in the other post referenced, hints that he is aware of "one way" - he's also said he isn't about to reveal it, and if he did reveal it here we would delete his post - while we do not censor what people post for the most part, that would be an exception, just as we do not allow people to post information about hacking, cracking, and pirated software.

[fathom]

Originally Posted by DeYo

Fact: There is almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index...

Ranking above you would harm your rankings (wouldn't they?), and as others have said - if you choose to deploy questionable techiques the competitor can report you.

[eko]

Im afraid my English is not enough to express this way can be used as a "eliminating method".I can not prove the result in short term because you have to know the ranking number of your competitor before you harm his site.And the person who defend google guidelines should also answer the question "How Google defines Spam Submission?Whats their criteria?" We know their criteria of indexing:

PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn))

But has anyone state their Spam submission criteria? No. CEO has reported as submissions before 2 months are assumed as Spam and this effects your ranking. Who is telling the truth? The Guidelines or their CEO?

I also must mention that this is my last treat on this forum, I wont report or reply anymore.Some approaches on here doesnt deserve to be informed.

As Galileo said, despite everything, the world is turning.

[TheWebDoctor(tm)]

Well, in all my years I've never seen anything so blind.

Submitting a site simply puts it in qeue for review. I'm sure Google has some mechanism established that allows their database to ignore multiple submissions. I know I would have established something of this nature to keep junk out. It's like checking your e-zine/newsletter database. You don't want people to get the newsletter twice and be thought of as a spammer.

If anyone is so confident that they can get a domain name banded from Google, I have a domain name they can submit or attempt to get banned. I will provide that information upon request. AND, yes I do own the domain name and have proof to back this assertion.

I hope this helps everyone.

[cbp]

eko - I asked you in an earlier message in this thread amd you ignored the question - where did you get this from - point us to where the CEO said this:

CEO has reported as submissions before 2 months are assumed as Spam and this effects your ranking. Who is telling the truth? The Guidelines or their CEO?

I have never seen this anywhere.

CBP

[PhilC]

No worries, Minstrel. I've no intention of posting any such methods here or anywhere else, as you saw. It's not something that I would even bother to do myself.

The main thing to realize about the topic of this thread is that the only one who could be harmed by spam-submitting is the person doing the submitting.

[sonnie]

Eko

Besides the rhetoric of the submission thing, and I totally agree over-submitting a competing site just won't make a differece, WHY would you chose to belittle competition by these means? Competition is a not a bad thing. Without competition I wouldn't have a heck of a lot to do. You said you were a gentleman. Hacking on a site's reputation certainly would not express that. Perhaps I missed the point of this thread, was this an expression of theoretical removal of competition?

[teleconnect]

EKO
- Read the Webdoctor comment - this is true - I have used Automated posting software since 1997 and Google (like many others ) will just parse off the extra postings to its index and take the latest one per date & time submitted

Marty Screeton - Teleconnect, Inc.
http://www.teleconect.com