Google search result position question

[gmooreirv]

Hi all, newbie question here...

I have my site being indexed by Google now, but I'm wondering what page it would be falling on for the keywords that I'm targeting.

Is there a utility or a trick that will tell me I'm ending up on page 10, or page 20, or page 50, etc, without stepping through the pages and looking to see if my site is on it?

I just recently was indexed, so I'm probably on more like page 9,000 or so, but I'm interested in knowing, and also being able to determine if my position is increasing over time.

I appreciate any info.

Thx

[idansh]

Check this website position SERP check tool , it will do exactly what you want, search for your website position in major search engines like Google, Yahoo, MSN Live, Ask, dmoz directory andhas many advanced options.

[FreeDesignQuote]

Most of the tools I have seen only show the top 30 results and let you know if you are in them. I run a report like this for all our clients each month to show their progress. Let me know if you find some that show deeper SERPs.
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[ctabuk]

gmooreirv - firstly Welcome to WPW - If you could kindly place your URL (Site) in your sig - then that will help you with general indexing.

Google is a law unto itself.

For one of my keywords Right to Buy this site is ahead of mine.
18.BBC ON THIS DAY | 20 | 1979: Council tenants will have 'right to buy' More than five million council house tenants in Britain are to be given the right
to buy their home. news.bbc.co.uk - 30k


A 1979 news item!! Wow, that's real real search results!! Why is it there??

Massive links and site age and relevance of topic. Hard to compete with. So we just do what we can, when we can!

Enjoy your stay

[gmooreirv]

Thanks for the welcome, and for the good info. I'll work on my sig tonight.

I checked out the link in the initial reply, and it is exactly what I was looking for, but only goes 20 pages deep. I'm no where near that now.

I know I've got tons of work to do, and want to gain position by providing good content and getting good links, etc. I was hoping to find something that would tell me that I'm on page 120 for starters for example, so that I could hopefully see myself gaining position from my efforts along the way.

It's something I probably don't need to dwell on much, but it would be nice to know.

Thanks for the good info, and I appreciate any addiitonal info on how to see actual depth if anyone knows of a good service.

Regards

[hawksm]

I've played with googlerankings.com before for new sites. It is probably not the most accurate tool out there, but it is free and easy to use. You will need to sign up for a google API key. Also despite the url name it checks Yahoo, MSN and ASK.

[SemAdvance]

I use webceo professional which will allow you to go deep into the results pages if you want to find the rankings.

However if your site is not in the first three pages or first ten pages, theres really no use searching for it since no humans are likely looking that far down.

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by SemAdvance

However if your site is not in the first three pages or first ten pages, theres really no use searching for it since no humans are likely looking that far down.

I must beg to differ.

I track sites as far down as 1000 for all relevant keywords (and I use GoogleRankings.com to do it - no they are not totally accurate, but they are reasonably so when I check against other tools or search manually).

While SemA is correct that few humans will reach that far, there is a very important reason to track where a site falls in the SERPs on various keyword phrases: tracking the effectiveness of SEO efforts for keywords, phrases and variants.

For example, I might see that I am improving for blue widget but not for blue wdigets, and I can tweak on site SEO for plurals. Etc.

And my new client, who owns bluewidget.com, will be happily impressed with the progress, even if it from 950 to 475. That is a very significant rise in SERPs even though it is higly unlikely to have resulted in any traffic. Clearly I am doing something right if a month's effort shows that sort of movement.

I haven't used WebPositionGold in years, but it is worth considering. And has anyone used Google's own Webmaster Tools to track a site on keywords? I was told it will do that and give you a report but I haven't looked into it ... has anyone used it that way?

AISI, MJ

[Clicken]

I tried the search tool that idansh has provided and here’s what I found.

First it was not clear how to enter the url so I tried each version…
1) http… full address = no results for any engine… I know this is not right!
2) www. part address = results found in yahoo page 8… but no other engine. When I viewed the results I was actually on page 7.
3) schoolhouseflash.com… just the site name = results in msn only.

It did not show any results for my site in google which I am currently on page 26 for the key words ‘math flash cards’…. Why didn’t it show results for me on this tool?

However if your site is not in the first three pages or first ten pages, theres really no use searching for it since no humans are likely looking that far down.

We understand that searchers will not go through that many pages but it is helpful from a development point of view to know where you stand and to track movement within the serps... ah what mjtaylor said!

[Clicken]

Originally Posted by my bad

It did not show any results for my site in google which I am currently on page 26 for the key words ‘math flash cards’…. Why didn’t it show results for me on this tool?

It only goes 20 pages.

[katropa]

Here is what you are looking for and it's free:
Free Monitor for Google - query Google easily. Google Monitor Query website position web ranking software

You input your keywords and your URL and you can get your position as deep as you want.
You can also choose from 50+ Google country specific SE's and monitor your keywords placement over time.

[ccnj]

Thanks for all your help. I think I am in the same position as gmooreirv, as on Google, I have some pages higher, many much lower, and I would love to be able to see where I am. I downloaded the software that katropa recommended, hopefully that'll help me figure out where I am too, but...

Here's the real question though. If you do all of the SEO that you're told to do, how can you get your Google PR to go more than 1/10? I've been sitting at 1/10 for several months, and trying to get it higher - even building an organic linking program... Not much movement though - any ideas?

Thanks,
JG
Credit Cards, NJ

[spiceboy]

Patience my man, a few months is nothing, you'll get there in the end.....

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by ccnj

Here's the real question though. If you do all of the SEO that you're told to do, how can you get your Google PR to go more than 1/10? I've been sitting at 1/10 for several months, and trying to get it higher - even building an organic linking program... Not much movement though - any ideas?

Thanks,
JG
Credit Cards, NJ

Does 1/10? mean #1 on the 10th page of SERPs?

You are in an *extremely* competitive niche and your site is less than a year old - you might have to be a little patient.

Don't let the competition worry you, though, someone has to be in the top ten, why not you?

I suspect you haven't really done everything you "have been told to do" or you haven't been told much ... as there is much that could still be done to your site to optimize it ...

For example, if I can presume from your title tag that 'low rate credit card processing' is your target KW phrase, then you would want to use that keyword phrase and variants:

• in h1 tags toward the top of the page
• in the first paragraph
• in bold somewhere on the page
• in links to the home page from other pages
• in an absolute link from the home page to the home page
• in links from the home page to an authority site
• in the file name of your logo graphic (instead of CCNJ-LogoTM.gif it could be 'credit-card-processing-logo.gif, for example)
• in the alt tag of the same graphic
• in page file names

You don't want to overoptimize, but with good SEO copywriting on that page, the steady addition of original content and quality (relevant) inbound links using the same or similar text you should be able to see steady improvement.

And a blog! Do you have a blog? Are you adding original content daily either through a blog or otherwise?

You are #3 on MSN and Yahoo for your target term, as well, so you aren't doing too badly, are you? And if you are doing well on a term for those, and you get enough of the right sort of links for Google, I would be surprized if Google doesn't rank your site higher.

Cheers, MJ

[T-G]

Is there a utility or a trick that will tell me I'm ending up on page 10, or page 20, or page 50, etc, without stepping through the pages and looking to see if my site is on it?

I use webceo which does the rank checking task well and accurately, they have a free version which allows you to check up to 5 keywords on multiple SE, I eventually paid for the small business version which allows unlimited KW.

The other one I have used is SEO administrator, same sort of thing but I liked webceo better.

Not much movement though - any ideas?

The other thing webceo does is analyze your pages and then give you recommendations as to how you should edit them for good SEO, their advice is by no means the final answer on SEO, but it is a handy learning tool if you are starting out in this field.

[ccnj]

Thanks for your advice mjtaylor - I have been told to do a few things, and have been doing those "tricks" as I was told. I will certainly take your advice, and see what happens. As you saw, I am rated quite nicely with MSN, and Yahoo gets me some links too...

I would like to turn the table though if I can for a second here... in my web logs, I see search keywords that people come into my site from, and some of the KWs don't seem to make much sense, for instance, Viagra (which is not found anywhere on any page, context is nowhere near anything for Viagra or something similar, etc...) - how can I ensure quality views - this is something I would love to figure out - I don't mind getting the traffic, but I am not looking at only driving traffic - I want customers.

Thanks to all of you for your advice.

JG
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Credit Cards, NJ - The Smart Choice for Merchant Services

[Argey]

> but I'm wondering what page it would be falling on for the keywords that I'm targeting.

TopicCrunch will do exactly what you want, and it will do it four keyphrases at Google, Yahoo and MSN in one run.

It's here: TopicCrunch - the deep searcher

It can also take your keywords or phrases and produce a de-duplicated list of all the domains using those that the three search engines reveal, in a clickable web page.

Argey
Mindmapping, concept mapping in 3D
3D information organizer for mindmappers
and deep web searching

[Argey]

[quote=Let me know if you find some that show deeper SERPs.[/quote]

TopicCrunch, that I mentioned in another reply here, will go to the 1,000th entry for Google, Yahoo and MSN (if there are 1,000 entries!)

And I agree with mjtaylor, it is worth tracking down even to the 1,000th item, if you're working at SEO, have just started with a keyword, new page or site and you want to track progress day by day. It doesn't matter that searchers won't find your page yet, you want to know which way its going, and how fast, to see what effect your actions are having.

Like T-G, I use WebCEO, and it's pretty good, but it's a very expensive solution, just to track position in the SERPs. It's also an ongoing cost, to renew the license - without renewing the license, you're working with an out of date database.

Argey
Mindmapping, concept mapping in 3D
3D information organizer for mindmappers
and deep web searching

[ccnj]

[quote=Argey;324196]
Like T-G, I use WebCEO, and it's pretty good, but it's a very expensive solution, just to track position in the SERPs. It's also an ongoing cost, to renew the license - without renewing the license, you're working with an out of date database.

If you use WebCEO - the free version, can it do the same SERP that you are mentioning?

Thanks.

[mjtaylor]

About WebCEO ... am I just being the daughter of an English teacher here? Or is there something about their poor Englsih on the home page of websiteceo.com that should make me wary?

>>
First of all, Web CEO makes nothing illegal or illicit. Every kind of performing information could be received by hands, but our promotion software only save your time.
To make your IP and web site absolutely secured Web CEO imitates the activity of a Web surfer during your requests. Due to the human emulation settings go towards your aim with web site promotion software of Web CEO and feel safely!<< (italics mine)

What????

Are my trust issues ill founded?

MJ

[Argey]

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

About WebCEO ... am I just being the daughter of an English teacher here? Or is there something about their poor Englsih on the home page of websiteceo.com that should make me wary?

>>
First of all, Web CEO makes nothing illegal or illicit. Every kind of performing information could be received by hands, but our promotion software only save your time.
To make your IP and web site absolutely secured Web CEO imitates the activity of a Web surfer during your requests. Due to the human emulation settings go towards your aim with web site promotion software of Web CEO and feel safely!<< (italics mine)

What????

Are my trust issues ill founded?

MJ

I think they're in Russia, which probably explains the grammar. I've found them helpful, responsive and generally more comprehensible than that extract you quoted.

What I think they're referring to there is that they access the search engines automatically, and rather than bombard the engines with queries at the rate of several a second (getting your IP address banned for 30 minutes or more from some engines) they emulate human browsing. I've never been banned from search engines when using WebCEO.

WebCEO (the paid version - I haven't used the free one for over a year) is pretty complicated and some of the features provide results and advice that I doubt. But if you have a modest understanding of SEO (mind is very modest) it does give hints as to good things to do and it helps you do them. It has more features than I have time to learn how to use (if your English-teacher parent will forgive that construction!)

Argey

[Argey]

Originally Posted by ccnj

If you use WebCEO - the free version, can it do the same SERP that you are mentioning?

Thanks.

Not sure. I only used the free version for a short time almost a year ago. Then I signed up for the paid service. Give it a try.

I like topiccrunch for the position checking because it can do several things in one operation (4 keyword phrases and 3 engines). I leave it running in the background.

WebCEO tends to focus on top competitors - when you're fighting to get from 15 to 5, that's really important, but when developing a new keyphrase and you're at position 136 or something, you need to be able to look deeper, as well.

Argey
Mindmapping, concept mapping in 3D
3D information organizer for mindmappers
and deep web searching

[Conficio]

Originally Posted by idansh

Check this website position SERP check tool , it will do exactly what you want, search for your website position in major search engines like Google, Yahoo, MSN Live, Ask, dmoz directory and has many advanced options.

This tool is rather flawed, as it does assume a website has to start with "www.". Remove this and it becomes more usable.

Just my feedback.

[incrediblehelp]

I use Advanced Web Ranking - search engine ranking, website position software

[vsd32]

For some of this isses we just have to wait.

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

I use Advanced Web Ranking - search engine ranking, website position software

Ah, I think this may be the one for me!
Which version do you use? The mid level looks like "enough" to me ...

I really appreciate all your input on the forum.

Thanks, MJ

[incrediblehelp]

I use Professional:

Advanced Web Ranking - Features

[mscsrrr]

I read about the call for a day without using Google and the rest of the search engine mafia.

So, what is it going to be next? A week without Google? A month without Google?
A year without Google. And bam, don't you ever use Google again, buddy!

I don't think this is going to be feasible because millions of people still need these search engine monster to get things done for now.

The only way to deconstruct these search engine monsters and anti-business progress mafias is to create a search engine that is better than they are.

And I hear that a secret revolutionary $2 billion dollars "project" is underway already and in a few years, bam, the world as we know it will never be the same again because a new search engine giant (which originate from a civilization about 1 millions yrs advanced and a couple of light years away from earth) will emerge to do a much better job than the current "Ford-T" model aristocratic, oligarchical, despotic and discriminatory search engine monsters.

What is coming will phase out the 500 Ib gorrilla at Redmond and its cousins, the other search engines (particularly the one that uses "Don't be evil" motto as a front to cover up its anti-business activities), all ISPs and others.

The very foundation of information technology will be shaked to its roots and the landscape completely changed.

If you're one of the billions of businesses online who are presently being discriminated against and scammed through idiotic page rank system and SEOs, take heart.

The FINAL SOLUTION is brewing and is on the way. The day of judgment is at hand.

[ccnj]

Originally Posted by mscsrrr

I read about the call for a day without using Google and the rest of the search engine mafia.

So, what is it going to be next? A week without Google? A month without Google?
A year without Google. And bam, don't you ever use Google again, buddy!

I don't think this is going to be feasible because millions of people still need these search engine monster to get things done for now.

The only way to deconstruct these search engine monsters and anti-business progress mafias is to create a search engine that is better than they are.

And I hear that a secret revolutionary $2 billion dollars "project" is underway already and in a few years, bam, the world as we know it will never be the same again because a new search engine giant (which originate from a civilization about 1 millions yrs advanced and a couple of light years away from earth) will emerge to do a much better job than the current "Ford-T" model aristocratic, oligarchical, despotic and discriminatory search engine monsters.

What is coming will phase out the 500 Ib gorrilla at Redmond and its cousins, the other search engines (particularly the one that uses "Don't be evil" motto as a front to cover up its anti-business activities), all ISPs and others.

The very foundation of information technology will be shaked to its roots and the landscape completely changed.

If you're one of the billions of businesses online who are presently being discriminated against and scammed through idiotic page rank system and SEOs, take heart.

The FINAL SOLUTION is brewing and is on the way. The day of judgment is at hand.

I guess till that time, we're all stuck. Oh well...