Supplemental Pages With PR

[spiceboy]

I have several pages in the supplemental results. I have read here that pages in supplemental show a greyed out PR toolbar or a white toolbar but most of mine are showing toolbar PR?

Any ideas why?

[incrediblehelp]

Can you post them?

[spiceboy]

Hi again Incredible

Here's a few examples

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...on_ground.html

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...owder_hot.html

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...mom_black.html

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...iseedStar.html

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...safoetida.html

Thats just from the first page of supplementals on a site: search - theres another 4 or 5 pages and almost every other page is a supplemental with toolbar PR.

You also mentioned in another post of mine that pages will not rank without backlinks which is why some of my new pages have grey bars on the toolbar. Not sure if this is true either. A link: search on the above pages shows no external links to these pages above yet they have PR rank. Each page obviously has internal links and these appear to have been sufficient to generate PR.

So,my queries are:

1 How come I have supplemental pages with PR?
2 How come I have indexed pages with grey bars?

eg http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...ift_Boxes.html

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog/Cheap_Offers.html

3 Why are supplemental pages the only ones listed for the site when "uk pages only" is selected?

Puzzled of Chesham

[spiceboy]

Correction - dont know how or why but http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...ift_Boxes.html
appears to have been give toolbar PR since I wrote the above!

Heres a few more indexed pages with grey toolbar, if anyone can explain it will be apprecaited.

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...e_Section.html
http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...le_Masala.html

[incrediblehelp]

Unfortunately spiceboy I cant tell you exactly why some of your pages have toolbar PR and sometimes don't. I don't care either way if my pages PR go up or down. As long my other "real" goals are achieved.

Now with than being said I would worry more about why pages are in the SI, not why they are in the SI with PR. Focus on getting your pages out of the SI with better internal linking and more backlinks to the pages. Hate to keep saying, but it is very true!

I really don't think Google has ever said that pages CANT be put in the SI if they have PR, have they?

Also just because the page has a grey toolbar (or white for that matter) doesn't mean it cant be indexed. Where did you hear this? One of the examples you posted actually have toolbar PR for me:

http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog...ift_Boxes.html - this one does have PR
http://www.natco-online.com/acatalog/Cheap_Offers.html - this one does not

For your last question, it could be you simply don't have enough backlinks from UK based websites.

[spiceboy]

Yes Incredible, you are right that its more important the pages are out of the SI, some deserve to be there, others dont and will be out very shortly (I know why they are there and am addressing that).

My point was that it generaly seems to be accepted on this forum that if its grey barred its in the SI and that if its in the SI it has no rank. I just wanted to challenge the convention.

With regard to the last point, I dont think its anything to do with backlinks as my higher ranking pages with the majority of backlinks dont even show, even though they appear in searches when uk only is selected. I think the answer is here from an earlier post by "cgmcgiffen"

"I think this is about the site: command only returning supplemental results in Google when "pages from the UK" is selected. I don't think its anything to worry about, it is happening with all the websites I have tried, including Google! Smaller sites I have checked return primary and supplemental when I do the web search, then return only the supplementals when I do a UK search. I doubt its effecting search, but hopefully something that will be fixed soon...

Chris "

Thanks for your input.

[Gracia]

I guess that if a page is marked as a supplemental page that won't be displayed as a result for any searching query except the site: operator.

[brian.mark]

All of my pages have PR, yet I show 90,000+ as supplemental. Many of the supplemental are PR3 or PR4. PR has nothing to do with supplemental any more. It's about unique content.

Many of ours are the "Large Image" page. Many are 301'd (and have been for years). I'm still working on getting it all fixed.

Brian.

[tomcatuk]

Never seen a page with TBPR that's also in supplemental. My assumption would be that the realtime PR is zero and this will be reflected in the next PR update. Thanks for posting as it's an interesting phenomena!
With regard to the supplemental index as a topic, I have this very problem. Over 95% of the pages of the site I work on are in there and traffic from Google is relatively non-existant. Close inspection shows that Google is now imposing strict duplicate content filters. If you think about it, this isn't really all that surprising but the implications for e-commerce sites who use data feeds (cNet for example) for product data are in a spot of bother. I'm now working on a totally new site, and have bitten the bullet so to speak. If I want my pages in the main Google index, they have to have LOTS of unique content and no duplicate. Google is telling us the days of automated stuff are over - create something original, or don't get listed.

[scanmonkey]

Google states Please also be assured that the index in which a site is included doesn't affect its PageRank. on Webmaster Help Center - What's a "supplemental result?"

So inclusion in the supplemental index doesn't affect PR.