PR5 to PR0 without any reason

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by swirt

......So, no link on a given page can ever decrease the PR of that page, it may deprive deeper pages within the site if you have a lot of outgoing links to other sites, but that is all.

I'm a bit confused on that. You said earlier in the post "In the same example, if your home page still has a PR of X and it still has three links but this time they are to other websites, then the PR gets passed to other sites and not to the deeper pages of your website". So when you say "no link on a given page can ever decrease the PR of that page" are you speaking about your OWN links? Or ANY links? If you mean no kind of links at all can do it, regardless of where they end up, then when you say "PR gets passed to other sites" you don't mean diluted or decreased for your OWN page?

What I'm wondering is if the links I placed on my homepage that go to my own internal pages, have hurt the PR of my homepage. What about the one link I have on my homepage going to one of my other sites?

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by swirt

It was intended to tell the search engines, "I can't vouch for these links, so please don't count them against me." (because who links to you can't hurt you, but who you link to can) It currently appears to not allow PR to flow to that site either.

I found out that is NOT the case with MSN. These jerks personally told me that you CAN be hurt in their index by whomever links to you! That is appalling.

[ctabuk]

Firstly as a moderator I have to apologise for not stepping into this thread earlier. I really thought that by now posters at WPW would have read enough back posts not to keep returning to this inane topic any further. It just seems that so many people are continuously taking notice of the green line on their toolabar not to realise that Toolbar PR is of as much use to you as an ashtray on a motorbike. It has no SEO merit whatsoever.

Ask yourselves this - how can anything that updates every 3 or four months influence your SERP???
Answers Please.

FACT - When Google introduced the Toolbar PR meter they borrowed it under licence from Stanford University - It does not belong to Google.

Experienced SEO people will tell you that when it was first introduced its information DID give an insight to Internal PageRank - Experienced hackers derived algorithim information and used it to their advantage. Google recognised this and stopped the upates from daily to where they are today.
http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3522286

Google's own take
http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

See Google TradeMark
Read the threads here
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/...ead.php?t=5958

[Deep13]

Hi,
The purpose of this topic was not to return the PR but it was mainly to know the reason why it happened. For me it does not matter if the site is PR0 or PR5, what matters to me is, traffic should not effect because of sudden PR change, which is fortuenately has not changed.

But it always makes me curious to know the reasons behind unexpected things, be it PR0 to PR5 or PR5 to PR0.

I hope it clears the point :)

Regards,
Deep

[Clint1]

Deep I'm a little confused since you originally said your traffic DID decrease. Did you mis-word your last post?

[ctabuk]

Firstly the only sudden changes happen in real pagerank - You are clearly referring to the toolbar indicator which can fluctuate at a seconds notice.As it has no bearing on SERP why even raise the question?

[Deep13]

I had said, my traffic did decrease but I had also said that I will need approximately a week to come to some kind of conclusion for the reason. Because it is really difficult to find out the reason in just couple of days. If I monitor the traffic for a week then I will know the trend and will get idea about whats happening.

Deep

[ctabuk]

Deep - Do you keep a record of links? Do you check for broken IBL's and OBL's ? These are the most likely causes of lost SERP.

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Firstly the only sudden changes happen in real pagerank - You are clearly referring to the toolbar indicator which can fluctuate at a seconds notice.As it has no bearing on SERP why even raise the question?

Well, when you see PR0, you feel that it might be some mistake or bug. But along with that when you see your backlinks becoming 0 from around 180 (in some DCs it is 253) so you start worrying that, google might drop you out of search results too. So there are 2 reasone behind posting the question:

1. How come sudden change in PR where I have not done any specific change on the site, which will affect PR or anything.The same result (PR0) reflects in all the DCs except 3-4. (ALL = The ones which are available for public on the net)

2. If google has dropped my backlinks for some reason, will it drop me from SERP becaue of this bug or whatever people may call it.

My only income source (for this blog) is clicks generated from traffic via google and google takes 75% of my traffic and if google only drops me for some reason, I am totally gone.

I hope things are clear now.

Regards,
Deep

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Deep - Do you keep a record of links? Do you check for broken IBL's and OBL's ? These are the most likely causes of lost SERP.

To be frank, I dont make any extra effort to get the links for my blog. Like everyone says, I keep on posting quality stuff and I automatically get links. The most of the links I get are from Blogs. I generally check my backlinks just because of curiosity and till now I have not found any spam kind of sites linking to me.

Check backlinks here

[swirt]

Originally Posted by clint1

So when you say "no link on a given page can ever decrease the PR of that page" are you speaking about your OWN links? Or ANY links? If you mean no kind of links at all can do it, regardless of where they end up, then when you say "PR gets passed to other sites" you don't mean diluted or decreased for your OWN page?

When I said NO link on a given page can ever decrease the PR of that page. I meant NO link. Not links to deeper pages or links to external sites. A given page has a certain amount of PR (which as ctabuck has mentioned, is not worth worrying too much about) whatever links you create (to your own site or to some other site) on a page will not affect the PR of that page. What pages you pass the PR to is up to you. Too many links to other sites, and your own pages of the site get a smaller portion passed to them. Its not like dilution, it is more like giving the children's inheritance away.

Originally Posted by clint1

What I'm wondering is if the links I placed on my homepage that go to my own internal pages, have hurt the PR of my homepage. What about the one link I have on my homepage going to one of my other sites?

No, not possible, see explanation above.

[Clint1]

Thanks "Swirt". ;-)

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Ask yourselves this - how can anything that updates every 3 or four months influence your SERP???
Answers Please.

It's a case of the tail wagging the dog. The "quarterly-ish PageRank export" is usually accompanied by general housekeeping on google's part that the uninformed attribute to the export.

[parkoskar]

It would be just a Google Dance.... i beleive

[ctabuk]

All of you STOP - I'm trying to help you guys and the only way to really help you is to be a little blunt.
If your car stops you check fuel,ignition etc etc.
You do not turn the radio on and ask it why the vechicle has stopped. You check the basics.

If your Blog or site falls from favour from Google you do not find out from the greenline toolbar. Traffic is not dictated by a search engine
Traffic IS affected by how a Search Engine sees your site. First thing to do is to run diagnostics on the site. Forget the toolbar - period.

[ddwebguru]

friends pl read it > http://google-blog.dirson.com/rel-nofollow.php
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seeing-nofollow-links/

Deep you need not add nofollow tag in your friend's link, add this link in which not your friends' and not keyword link, just add in other link in your site like > Vote for me vote for me!!

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

If your Blog or site falls from favour from Google you do not find out from the greenline toolbar. Traffic is not dictated by a search engine
Traffic IS affected by how a Search Engine sees your site. First thing to do is to run diagnostics on the site. Forget the toolbar - period.

I don't think anyone is looking at the toolbar here, but looking at DC's. One cannot ignore a sudden drastic unexplainable drop in PR from 5 to 0, or even a drop of two spots. It's indicative that something far more serious could be in the making, therefore warranting further investigation--hence the reason for these posts.

[ctabuk]

Deep 13 wrote '


Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 293
Location: India
Posted: February 02 2007 Post subject: PR5 to PR0 without any reason

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Hi,
I run a personal blog which was PR5 for quite sometime. But suddenly in this PR change it become PR0, the site not banned, internal pages still hold PR. But home page PR is gone. It shows around 1100 pages of the site crawled till now but the backlink count has become 0 for some reason. (It used to be around 179 earlier)

I have no idea about the reason. I tried to trace it out myself but could not find anything wrong with the blog. It is a personal blog with absolutely no scope for spamming or any black hat stuff.

I am just curious to know what made PR go down directly to 0.

I personally feel it is some kind of bug which made my PR0.'

FROM ctabuk - I know of no other PR that shows stats in numerical context..

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Clint1

I don't think anyone is looking at the toolbar here, but looking at DC's. One cannot ignore a sudden drastic unexplainable drop in PR from 5 to 0, or even a drop of two spots. It's indicative that something far more serious could be in the making, therefore warranting further investigation--hence the reason for these posts.

Given that PR is at least 4 months old and that Google hides true PR then the search would be fruitless.

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

All of you STOP - I'm trying to help you guys and the only way to really help you is to be a little blunt.
If your car stops you check fuel,ignition etc etc.
You do not turn the radio on and ask it why the vechicle has stopped. You check the basics.

If your Blog or site falls from favour from Google you do not find out from the greenline toolbar. Traffic is not dictated by a search engine
Traffic IS affected by how a Search Engine sees your site. First thing to do is to run diagnostics on the site. Forget the toolbar - period.

I think I have failed to make you understand the reason for this post. I have replied earlier too abotu the reason and I do not think so I am going to do it again. If posting topics like this is wrong here then you should mention in the rules. The topic is more about knowing the reason for this sudden change.

If google can make the backlink count 0 for some reason then why cannot make the site index count 0? So why not find out the reason before it happens?

As I said earlier, the green bar does not affect me much but the traffic coming from the google affects me.

About your example, i would like to reframe it...

If you car fails, you check fule, engine etc.. etc.. but after checking all the things, if still it does not work, you ask car machanic to look into it and find what a normal person cannot find.

So according to you is it wrong to ask machanic for the reason? Is it right to just sit back and relax, wait for the car to stop working totally?

I guess that says it all.

Deep

[ctabuk]

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Now do you see where I am coming from??? And if you keep a car serviced - it should not break down - this is pure SEO and nothing else but. Look at the link references - pagerank after pagerank - you have links - you have not been dropped - so you are simply using the wrong techniques to discover the cause.

[ctabuk]

Deep - run it through here
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink_guide.html

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Given that PR is at least 4 months old and that Google hides true PR then the search would be fruitless.

Age is irrelevant. Nonetheless, I maintain it cannot be ignored. I just now checked how many pages I have indexed and the jerks have dropped 30 of my pages since I last checked a few days ago. That's a 30 page drop after a PR drop. I checked my PR across all DC's and I'm still the same PR I was a couple of weeks ago at only two of them. Those DC's are http://64.233.183.104/ and http://64.233.183.99/ . Guess what my index count is there?? The same as it was!! Mostly all of my pages indexed and the same PR at those two DC's. A PR drop AND an index count drop, at all the others. Obviously these jerks cut your PR along with a deletion of your indexed pages! No doubt my G SERP's have ALSO dropped, but my heart can't stand to check now. I despise google.

[ctabuk]

Clint1 - Now please show the World exactly how you checked those DC's - The software please.

[swirt]

Originally Posted by clint1

A PR drop AND an index count drop, at all the others. Obviously these jerks cut your PR along with a deletion of your indexed pages! No doubt my G SERP's have ALSO dropped, but my heart can't stand to check now.

Don't make that assumption. Check it out. If you have fallen in the serps, then be concerned, if you have not, ride it out, you'll be fine. In an index nearly 8 billion pages, they are bound to lose a few every once in a while. If you have done something spammy or in an attempt to fool the search engines, this may be a wakeup call. If you haven't, then it will likely resolve itself, but it is worth checking the basics. (faulty code, faulty links, incorrect robots.txt...) Especially start examining the things you have changed recently.

ctabuk's car example is close, but it is off a little with Deep's example. In Deep's example the car is apparently still running, only one of the little dashboard lights has come on saying "check engine soon" It may be that something is wrong with the car, but you don't know until you check it out. The problem with the little dashboard light is that they are not that reliable and often provide faulty info (as does toolbarPR whether you are viewing it at the toolbar or at a Datacenter lookup tool)

Originally Posted by parkoskar

It would be just a Google Dance.... i beleive

Google doesn't dance anymore. Since BigDaddy, it only taps its feet to the music continually.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Clint1 - Now please show the World exactly how you checked those DC's - The software please.

What the heck is that supposed to mean or imply? It's a common place we all use: http://seologs.com/pr-check/pagerank-dc.html , and others.

[ctabuk]

Praise the Skies - Common sense prevails. I was looking for a wall to bash my brains out on.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by swirt

Don't make that assumption. Check it out. If you have fallen in the serps, then be concerned, if you have not, ride it out, you'll be fine.

Actually that's all anyone can do is "ride it out" then once again try and emotionally prepare yourself for the damages. I don't need to really check anything out, since it's logical to conclude with X number of pages deleted from the index, those pages are no longer going to be found for any of my search terms due to the fact the pages are gone.

If you have done something spammy or in an attempt to fool the search engines, this may be a wakeup call.

Absolutely not, never. If I did, then I wouldn't have anything to complain about nor would I have ever mentioned it. The only "wakeup call" is for G to get their heads out of their a$$es. White-hat site owners are at the total (lack of) mercy of G, all the while they TOLERATE black-hat techniques and continue to allow those said sites (and monopolies) carte blanche with their index.

If you haven't, then it will likely resolve itself, but it is worth checking the basics. (faulty code, faulty links, incorrect robots.txt...) Especially start examining the things you have changed recently.

I am simply just yet another out of countless thousands of victimized site owners that G continuously screws, that have never done anything wrong, nor, changed anything to warrant this. It's nothing new, it's been going on since the born in hell "Bourbon update".

Very rarely does anything with G ever "resolve itself"; a history of "brain hemorrhages", asinine methods and events proving the ongoing microcephaly of G, etc. etc. The only thing that can stop them is when these class-action lawsuits hit the media, then their "precious stock" will take a dive forcing them to change these microcephalic (and even criminal with PR) ways.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Praise the Skies - Common sense prevails. I was looking for a wall to bash my brains out on.

????????? As am I "looking for a wall" on which to smash my head, but for other reasons. Ah, I found one....that one right behind me looks j-u-s-t right.

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Now do you see where I am coming from??? And if you keep a car serviced - it should not break down - this is pure SEO and nothing else but. Look at the link references - pagerank after pagerank - you have links - you have not been dropped - so you are simply using the wrong techniques to discover the cause.

I really can't help if you are thinking otherwise. If everyone thinks like you are doing, then I guess, we can pin point almost every post as promotional post.

One more thing I need to point is, what will do by getting links from here? My blog is a personal blog and it does not make any difference to me if i get a link from seo related forum or not. If I wanted to do something like you have suggested, I would have done in some movie related forums or say indian forums because my blog contains 99% of the indian content.

I was really not expecting this kind of behaviour from a moderator. If you cannot help then please do not reply with these kind of claims. It just does not help to solve the issue I am facing.

[swirt]

Originally Posted by clint1

Very rarely does anything with G ever "resolve itself"; ...

This is simply not true. Missing toolbarPR and missing index pages almost always resolve themselves with Google. If you are using GWMT then look for crawl errors, if you are submitting a sitemap, check it for errors. Did your PR fall according to GWMT, those unlike ToolbarPR are updated more often (according to google).

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Clint1

What the heck is that supposed to mean or imply? It's a common place we all use: http://seologs.com/pr-check/pagerank-dc.html , and others.

Oh My - pagerank again - OK - here are Deeps Missing Links

Summary Results for www.whoisdeep.com
Site Title: Deep’s Home
Site URL: http://www.whoisdeep.com
Date: February 6, 2007, 2:03 am
Overall Rating: 6.83/10


Details Rating Summary
Link Check 10/10 Broken links: 0
HTML Check 9/10 HTML Errors: 0, warnings: 59
Load Time Check 1/10 Load Time: 55.04 seconds
Meta Tag Check 4/10 Meta Tag Warnings: 2
Spell Check 9/10 Possible Misspellings: 158
Keyword Check 8/10 Total words: 2376


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Search Engine Checks (click on a number to view results)

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Search Engine Inclusion 625 1,310 2,550 2,830 1,310 587 625
Link Popularity 86 0 3,800 4,060 0 5,310 86

Explain why I have found them and he cannot please.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Deep13

I really can't help if you are thinking otherwise. If everyone thinks like you are doing, then I guess, we can pin point almost every post as promotional post.

One more thing I need to point is, what will do by getting links from here? My blog is a personal blog and it does not make any difference to me if i get a link from seo related forum or not. If I wanted to do something like you have suggested, I would have done in some movie related forums or say indian forums because my blog contains 99% of the indian content.

I was really not expecting this kind of behaviour from a moderator. If you cannot help then please do not reply with these kind of claims. It just does not help to solve the issue I am facing.

Hold on a second Deep - you are treading into something that you really do not want to - maybe it works with other Mods - but not me. I am trying to assist you in learning to use the correct ways of evaluating your site. The day that you have 700 different search terms that find your site and that create vast volumes of new business - then and only then can you accuse me about my 'behavior'- I have no doubt that you think that this is 'clever' to flame and that is precisely what you are attempting to do - but it will not work. You need to study your subjects first and then make statements. If you cannot see that you are under a terrible misapprehension on the question of links - then I suggest you study a little harder.

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Oh My - pagerank again - OK - here are Deeps Missing Links

Summary Results for www.whoisdeep.com
Site Title: Deep’s Home
Site URL: http://www.whoisdeep.com
Date: February 6, 2007, 2:03 am
Overall Rating: 6.83/10


Details Rating Summary
Link Check 10/10 Broken links: 0
HTML Check 9/10 HTML Errors: 0, warnings: 59
Load Time Check 1/10 Load Time: 55.04 seconds
Meta Tag Check 4/10 Meta Tag Warnings: 2
Spell Check 9/10 Possible Misspellings: 158
Keyword Check 8/10 Total words: 2376


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Search Engine Checks (click on a number to view results)

Google HotBot AllTheWeb AltaVista Lycos MSN AOL
Search Engine Inclusion 625 1,310 2,550 2,830 1,310 587 625
Link Popularity 86 0 3,800 4,060 0 5,310 86

Explain why I have found them and he cannot please.

I hope following images will help you to understand the reason.

link count screenshot and DC Pagerank screenshot

This is the last time I am explaining the reason for this post, I really can't help if you still don't understand it and assume something else.

About assisting me in learning - I really don't see it in the posts.

About flaming - well, no intentions to flame anyone but just correcting the wrong assumptions made by someone.

[ctabuk]

Deep13 - As stated before - I do know where you are coming from - but you appear to have problems on the whole subject of pagerank - whether you are bothered by it or not - a good friend of mine in the forum world is Michael Martinez - reputed to be the Worlds foremost experts in this area.
I would like you to take a few minutes (or longer LOL) to read this and follow through on the issues raised. Not only will this help you and others but it may help you to correct anything that you may be getting wrong.
http://forums.spider-food.net/index.php?showtopic=4125

[Deep13]

Let's stop arguing about it now as it is not helping the question raised in the topic I posted.

Let's see what others have to say about the issue I am facing.

Regards,
Deep

[scanmonkey]

Deep,

You still have a canonical issue
http://whoisdeep.com
http://www.whoisdeep.com

http://whoisdeep.com/category/deep-recommends/
http://www.whoisdeep.com/category/deep-recommends/

You ever hear of duplicate content?

Ctabuk is trying to help you, but you keep dwelling on PR.

[Deep13]

scanmonkey - I don't know for some reason I could not find anything which could help in the replies. (The later replies i.e.) Anyways, let's noto discuss it anymore as we will just keep on arguing.

About canonical issue, I have set the preferred domains to www but I do not think it can be because of following reason:

If it was canonical issue, then it would have shown different Page rank or site index cout or backlink count for www and non www domain But yes, I do agree that google is currently indexing both the types of URLs. So to fix this problem, like I said earlier, I have set the preferred domain to www one.

About duplicate content - I do not think so it is creating problem either, because I do not have much of duplicate content on the blog. Most probably you will find duplicate content in the movies category as my movie reviews are published on one of the movie websites in India.

2nd duplicate content you will notice in the tutorial or guides section. Some of the tutorial / guides have been posted in various forums and sites.

Other than that, I doubt there will be anything out there.

Regards,
Deep

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by swirt

This is simply not true. Missing toolbarPR and missing index pages almost always resolve themselves with Google. If you are using GWMT then look for crawl errors, if you are submitting a sitemap, check it for errors. Did your PR fall according to GWMT, those unlike ToolbarPR are updated more often (according to google).

I think you need to check out other forums, especially the G Groups forums on these matters. I was not talking about "missing PR" and "missing index pages", but more so PR dropping, entire sites being deleted, or pages thrown into the supplemental index.

There are ALWAYS crawl errors listed in the WMT console, BOGUS crawl errors! This is yet another "issue" with G and their WMT console. The G forums are also full of these posts, stating that the Gbot is hitting on pages that never even existed and returning either 404's or "URL's not found" in the error area. Because of this, I have had to add many dozens of 301 redirects from pages that never existed that G has "created", to some other pages at my site, in order to get rid of these bogus 404's they are listing.

The WMT area has nothing about actual PR#'s, only "High, Medium, Low, PageRank not yet assigned". You can't tell anything from that unless the PR# happened to have dropped to another level (like from high to med, med to low, etc). Plus that only gives the PR of ALL of your pages, not just the index page.

The G forums are FULL of posts from those that have added an XML sitemap and got their entire website deleted from the G index. Totally valid, validated, and error-free sitemaps. As usual, G is silent on that issue. Therefore, I'm not about to add a sitemap that could potentially totally delist me from the index.

[scanmonkey]

A canonicalization issue can cause a duplicate content red flag.

Originally Posted by Deep13

If it was canonical issue, then it would have shown different Page rank or site index cout or backlink count for www and non www domain

Here is an example of different pagerank on one url from your site.
http://whoisdeep.com/category/deep-recommends/ = PR0

http://www.whoisdeep.com/category/deep-recommends/ = PR4

You will need to use a 301 permanent redirect to solve the problem.

[Deep13]

aah okay, I was checking the home page mainly..I think google should fix it up in their next PR update.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Deep13

Let's stop arguing about it now as it is not helping the question raised in the topic I posted.

Let's see what others have to say about the issue I am facing.

Regards,
Deep

Firstly Deep - YOU are the only one arguing - you seem incapable of learning.

[Deep13]

I am just replying to the wrong assumtions made by you earlier.

Anyways, let's just forget it...

Regards,
Deep

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Deep13

aah okay, I was checking the home page mainly..I think google should fix it up in their next PR update.

Ah - do we take this an apology? If so say so please.

And for the very very last time - pagerank as you know it - does not even belong to Google -so it will not be Google updating it - it will be Stanford University interpretating what it makes of Google algorithims.

[Deep13]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Ah - do we take this an apology? If so say so please.

No I don't see any reason for an apology anywhere. It is just that we have different thinking over one issue and these kind of discussions are going to happen all the time. So the question of apology does not arise here as no one is right or no one is wrong. We are just trying to find a direction for the issue. Nothing else.

Reagrds,
Deep

[Clint1]

Every time a request is run at http://livepr.raketforskning.com , it lists a different list of DC's.

At many of the DC's where you're still showing a 5, Deep, as am I also showing my previous higher PR. If I had to guess I'd say those are older DC's unfortunately.

I know we are all aware that G's link: operator has never worked, but it may be interesting to look at how it drops. They were showing hundreds for me, then about 90, then about 30, 13, and now only SIX!!! All the while other SE's are showing thousands for me and climbing. Sites that lose their PR could be a victim of other websites which link to you getting deleted from the index. Once again showing how G wants to "mold the internet into their own little connected cyberspace community".

[Deep13]

Yup the link operator does not work well or I should say, does not show correct number of links. Just check the number of links using tool in Webmaster Tools in google, it shows some real good info on the incoming links. :)

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by Deep13

Yup the link operator does not work well or I should say, does not show correct number of links. Just check the number of links using tool in Webmaster Tools in google, it shows some real good info on the incoming links. :)

Hey, this is new. Do you mean that area "Pages with external links"? I just now noticed that.

[Deep13]

Yes that area, just click on the number corresponding to the URL and it will list all the pages linking to it.

[Clint1]

Thanks....how do they expect you to read the downloaded list "Download this table"? While it is "readable" in Metapad (or Notepad), the links are not clickable in Metapad because YOUR URL is part of the OTHER sites' URL's.