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Old 01-23-2007, 11:41 AM
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I was ranked #13 on Dallas Real Estate in Google for my site http://www.buyandselldallas.com and now there is no record of my site for term Dallas Real Estate. I'm still #11 for dallas condos, #11 dallas lofts, #7 dallas townhomes, #17 dallas homes, but not displaying any ranking for Dallas Real Estate

Anyone have any explanations and suggestions to reverse?

Also, is this good Metatag keyword description for dallas real estate?

{dallas real estate, dallas texas real estate, real estate Dallas tx, condos dallas, dallas realtor, dallas lofts, dallas townhomes, dallas homes, luxury real estate Dallas, dallas real estate for sale, dallas realtor, michael group dallas}
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I occasionally have a few pages that disappear during some index updates. They usually come back after a day or two. How long have you been out?

One possible explanation is that you have another page on your site with some dup content on it and google is picking up that page instead.

And your keyword tag is fine.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:39 PM
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Thanks for feedback. I haven't seen listing under term Dallas Real Estate for at least 5-7 days now. However up to yesterday when I ran search optimization on my homepage, I was listed on Google between 14-16 for dallas real estate

Do you know anything I can do to increase my page rank. I cannot seem to get above PR 2 and don't understand why. I continue to optimize my pages and create backlinks, submit to directories, but just not seeing results I would like. I continue to get calls from SEO specialists wanting to optimize site and do redesign, but don't have money to spend in marketing budget. Any info or feedback you can provide on site would be greatly appreciated.
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hey it mike with nuhomesource.com. these guys here are great they have helped me alot. Let these guys look they will get your problem figured out. They help me alot to get my pages right.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:16 PM
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for words of encouragement. I can use all the help I can get. It's hard competing with larger companies, esp those with unlimited marketing budget. I seem to keep running into you, also member of Real Estate Web Masters. You must be putting in quite a bit of time on markeing your new websites as well.
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You have a lot of pages with 'Dallas Real Estate' as the primary keyphrase in your titles. Haven't had time to look through in detail, but you might take a closer look and make sure you don't have another page that might be causing a duplicate filter to trip and drop your main page.
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my 2 cents... almost all of your pages eventually send visitors to MLSFinder.com. Perhaps one of their affiliate filters has gotten you?

and I would move that long list of cities/towns out of the footer... and narrow it down. Looks spammy, especially in the footer.
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1. no H1 heading
2. Keyword stuffing at bottom
I wouldn't think 1 link would count as excessive as in MLSFinder I think he is good on that.

I also noticed your SEO score is 91%. When looking at your site thru whois.sc the thumbnail shows a different view. What happened to the bold keywords? Why not use some ALT labels and put your keywords in there?

SEO Score: 91%
Meta Relevance: 75%
Terms: 633 (Unique: 331, Linked: 233)
Images: 19 (Alt tags missing: 18)
Links: 129 (Internal: 88, Outbound: 41)
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I agree. I'm currently in process of optimizing keywords on all pages and taking dallas real estate out of other pages. I've gotten through 15 out of 200 thus far, long way to go. I had list of cities/town on just about every page as well, but took off bec. I thought it might cause problems with search engines. I will take off homepage as well.

Wouldn't page like this create problems as well: http://www.texasmls.com/texasmls/index.html currently ranked #1 in google for dallas real estate. when you look at each individual city page such as http://www.texasmls.com/texasmls/dal...al-estate.html seems to be spam farm. Love the design structure and navigation though.
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I do agree with that having excessive links, however it seems they all lead to the internal site and have information that goes with what you click on. So the google bot would follow. I think that you would be able to rank higher than this site.

Why not have DFW as a search term as well. I know most people in Dallas do that. What SEO software are you using?
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1. no H1 heading
2. Keyword stuffing at bottom
I wouldn't think 1 link would count as excessive as in MLSFinder I think he is good on that.

I also noticed your SEO score is 91%. When looking at your site thru whois.sc the thumbnail shows a different view. What happened to the bold keywords? Why not use some ALT labels and put your keywords in there?

SEO Score: 91%
Meta Relevance: 75%
Terms: 633 (Unique: 331, Linked: 233)
Images: 19 (Alt tags missing: 18)
Links: 129 (Internal: 88, Outbound: 41)
A nice analysis flsurfkarma! How can one find the SEO score? Is there amy tool to find it out?
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I am sorry but simple SEO scoring with software is not the smartest way to grade a website SEO well being.

Just about every websites has their own separate issues and it takes more than some simple on-site analysis to diagnose what is actually wrong for every single case.
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Yes but in his case this has actually helped out. If you look he has NO ALT TAGS. I saw your discussion with webnauts on here about those. They are pretty important.

To answer the other question whois.sc provides very useful tools they even have an SEO browser.
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They are pretty important.
If you weighed all the SEO factors you knew by importance, ALT's would be way, way, way down the list.
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thanks for all the information. I've been using Web CEO so do most of SEO, probably not the best software but it is free. I added H1 heading some time ago at top of page DALLAS REAL ESTATE, not sure why it's not recognizing. I only included keyword description in ALT tags on a couple pictures, first 3 pics on page I included keyword Dallas Real Estate, not sure why this is not picking up as well. I'll go back and work on html and see if I can fix problem. Thanks for whois.sc! How often do they update stats?
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I thought it was once a week. But I saw your outdated thumbnail. So I have to wonder about that as well
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Yeah that is all i do is work on my stuff, I have 6 agents that work for me and i have been working on these sites. I currently have 6 up and trying to fill them with content. But these guys have helped me alot and everything is looking good.

The only thing i am having a problem with is conversion. I get alot of traffice just cant convert. So i have no clue.
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my problem is I have too many leads between sales and rentals and no one to work them. Between doing SEO, web design, marketing, management and sales it's hard to get everything done with one person. I'm also trying to get my other sites together:
http://www.dfwurbanrealty.com http://www.searchdallasmls.com http://www.dallasrealogy.com http://www.dfwhighrise.com

but have a long way to go with limited budget and time, basically using them as portal into buyandselldallas.com right now. I'm one step away from getting brokers license, just need to take exam, so I can hire a couple agents to send leads to. Do you know anyone who buys rentals and works with apartment locators. I have 10-15 solid rental leads per day that are going to waste. I usually feel them out and try and filter sales leads but that is about it. I was making quite a bit of money just working rentals but just don't have the time anymore.
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I had a quick look too, and I have noticed that you have 148 pages seen as duplicated, due to canonicalization problems.

Also you are not using the <h1> tag properly, which this tag is on of the most strong on-page factors for SEO.

You also might consider removing the following meta tags, which are not good for anything:

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="rating" content="General">
<meta name="revisit-after" content="15 days">
<meta NAME="Robots" CONTENT="All, index, follow">
<meta name="googlebot" content="index, follow">
<meta NAME="Classification" CONTENT="Real Estate">
<meta name="geography" content="Dallas, TX, US">

But those meta tags have nothing to do with your problem.

If I was you, I would try to clean up the 89 errors on your page http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...ldallas.com%2F as you never can be sure that any errors there might hinder crawlability of your pages by the Search Engines.
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you never can be sure that any errors there might hinder crawlability of your pages by the Search Engines.
At the risk of being drug into yet another validation morass I would simply say: "Sure you can".

Go to Google Webmaster Central. Create a sitemap, verify it, then they'll actually crawl your site and tell you precisely what kinds of errors/problems they run into.

Before you feel to bad about your 89 errors you might check these guys out too - just for comparison's sake.
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At the risk of being drug into yet another validation morass I would simply say: "Sure you can".
LOL. I am not willing to bring any validation discussions here. I just suggest that it would not be a bad idea.
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This is all great stuff. Thank you all for the feedback. What is the correct way to insert H1 tag? Also, how do increase PR on your other pages within site besides homepage. My PR went from 2 to 3 today at http://www.buyandselldallas.com I couldn't believe it, finally feel like some of my work is starting to pay off.
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What doctype should I use for Frontpage 2002? I've been researching and trying different html doctypes but none are working correctly. Last one I tried was:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
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What doctype should I use for Frontpage 2002? I've been researching and trying different html doctypes but none are working correctly. Last one I tried was:

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Kenneth if that was the last option and did not work, your code is a huge mess, as that doctype is the easiest to achieve.

And here you can see how to implement <h1> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/Use_h1_for_Title
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when I inserted into code, errors went from 89 to 88, but still had message at top of page that said I was not using correct doctype. If error went away, does this mean it is fixed

thanks for link on H1 heading, I'll read up this morning.
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when I inserted into code, errors went from 89 to 88, but still had message at top of page that said I was not using correct doctype. If error went away, does this mean it is fixed
Kenneth I would like to avoid going into HTML errors issues in details here, as this thread is in the Google Discussion Forums.

But you have a horrible error: You close your head tags in the body. Would be wise to fix that.
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where do you insert H1 tag?

also, what would you recommend for moving entire site/content into new search engine friendly site.
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where do you insert H1 tag?
That must be the first header of the page.

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also, what would you recommend for moving entire site/content into new search engine friendly site.
That is up to you. For SEO alone would not be the way to go though.
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