Escaping Google's Supplemental Dead Zone

[Joe]

Google's supplemental indexing system has been the topic of much conversation recently throughout the blogosphere. What is the supplemental index? How does a site end up there? What can a site do to get out of it?

These questions and more are addressed in my article about the subject. Check it out!

[Peter (IMC)]

Finally some attention to the supplemental results. When you ask Google about it you get a steady " ".

How to get out is the best question and there too nobody seems to know or care. Anybody got an idea and willing to share experiences?

[Skywoolf]

My site is currently not well ranked on Google even though I follow every guidline I know of, lots of content, updates, etc. When I do find the site in search results and click to get the pages left out I get hundreds more that have been indexed but don't show without clicking to get the left out pages. Does this mean they are all dumped in the dead zone?

The most likely cause I can think of is that many pages have a pop-up menu to find cars by make or price range so of course all the links to list of cars by make are duplicated in the code of many pages. I didn't see this as a problem as any menu bar has links on every page to the same pages but its all I can think of.

It would significantly reduce the usability of the site if I have to cut this out but unless anyone can offer better advice it looks like I don't have a choice.

[kevsta]

and following on nicely from this post..

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...606&highlight=

i think i've found the answer, ..it would appear that my entire (new) site has been immediately relegated to the supplemental index.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...iner.com&hl=en

any help / suggestions on how to escape from this would be appreciated. i've just added a sitemap, but didnt really want to submit or sitemap etc until it was finished, which it isnt yet.

[incrediblehelp]

We have talked about the SI in great length at WPW:

site:webproworld.com supplemental index

[kevsta]

oh, ok cool thanks.

[Skywoolf]

Thanks. I went through a few pages but am still not clear what gets us into it and how to get out. I will try reading more later.

[swoopster]

Great topic Joe, Well worth the reading.

Also to comment what kevsta said. I thought sitemaps would/could hurt indexing. Any comments about this?

[Webnauts]

We had an https canonicalization problem at our site http://www.webnauts.net, and therefore 26 pages went into the supplemental results. One we missed and the other one we missed is an outdated page though. Since a week now the 26 pages are out of there, and there are only the two left which we took care of today, and they will be out soon too.

[kevsta]

Hi all.

Ok so following all my remedial work and finishing the site, and another Googlebot crawl on 31/12 the second link on my post above is now showing all the pages are back out of the SI again, which is obviously great. oddly though none of the new pages have been indexed from that crawl, just the original ones are back out of SI.

however I am still confused as hell as to my original query that lead to me discovering I was in there in the first place. I realise that this isnt the right thread necessarily, but im here anyway, so i'll ask again.

please, can anyone explain why a search for IBIZA PERSONAL TRAINER puts my site at No. 1... but in a search for PERSONAL TRAINER IBIZA Google doesn't list the site at all? ..not just way down the index, but actually not listed as though not indexed? as according to WEBCEO, manual searches etc.

..wierd when word orders are not supposed to matter much?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by kevsta

Hi all.

Ok so following all my remedial work and finishing the site, and another Googlebot crawl on 31/12 the second link on my post above is now showing all the pages are back out of the SI again, which is obviously great. oddly though none of the new pages have been indexed from that crawl, just the original ones are back out of SI.

however I am still confused as hell as to my original query that lead to me discovering I was in there in the first place. I realise that this isnt the right thread necessarily, but im here anyway, so i'll ask again.

please, can anyone explain why a search for IBIZA PERSONAL TRAINER puts my site at No. 1... but in a search for PERSONAL TRAINER IBIZA Google doesn't list the site at all? ..not just way down the index, but actually not listed as though not indexed? as according to WEBCEO, manual searches etc.

..wierd when word orders are not supposed to matter much?

Sorry, but you are hijacking the thread! And please avoid that in the future too.
Therefore, please be so kind and start a new thread, and post your question there.

[kevsta]

yea ok, apologies. I already did start this http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=70606
thread on 15 Dec but didnt really shed any light on the strange goings on.

then i discovered that most of the pages were suddenly in the SI and assumed that must be why. now they are out again and still the strange goings-on.

if anyone has any ideas, the thread link above please?

thx in advance, and consider it avoided in future.

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by kevsta

if anyone has any ideas, the thread link above please?

Kevsta, I posted this recently:

Do you have any pages with content and title on your website with the keywords in this exact order?

"Personal Trainer Ibiza"

If not add one and you will get ranked for it.

[kevsta]

IncredibleHelp. yes, thanks, i did see that, i think this post is an old one that's been moved around due to some messy cross-posting on my behalf, or rather trimmed back a few posts.

[Webnauts]

kevsta can you create RSS feeds for your articles?

[kevsta]

..in a word, no. no idea how to do that at all.

I do have RSS facility with the company i use for putting out News Releases, but they're quite expensive.

I did also include one (a Triathlon aggregate news feed) on the Tribiza site but it's in javascript and so no use for SEO, and i dont have the first clue about PHP.

why, what are you thinking?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by kevsta

..in a word, no. no idea how to do that at all.

I do have RSS facility with the company i use for putting out News Releases, but they're quite expensive.

I did also include one (a Triathlon aggregate news feed) on the Tribiza site but it's in javascript and so no use for SEO, and i dont have the first clue about PHP.

why, what are you thinking?

How many articles do you have anyway?

[kevsta]

i'm working on a series of 12 i've wanted to write for a long time now.

6 are finished, the other half will done be in another couple of weeks or so, and i have ideas for maybe another 2 or 3 more after that.