AdSense Bad For Your Business

[greeneagle]

Come on Janeth, admit it, with the last couple alg changes and the GOOG remapping everyone's existence in the Big Daddy slam... and after having breakfast and coffee with the GOOG, you woke up to a whole new world too.... Right?

Be honest! - The game was shutting down!!!!!

I am not decrying your sharing your experiences here, nor the value in deterring misguided attempts at spamming Adsense, but come on!.... There are no Saints or Martyrs here!

By the way, How is "Hope" getting along? I'd bet she is a pretty girl now.

:O

LOL
Ken

[janeth]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Come on Janeth, admit it, with the last couple alg changes and the GOOG remapping everyone's existence in the Big Daddy slam... and after having breakfast and coffee with the GOOG, you woke up to a whole new world too.... Right?

Be honest! - The game was shutting down!!!!!

LoL, the game was just getting started. I had been doing it for about a year and was really just starting to figure it all out.

I figure in another 6 months I could have been hitting close to 6 figures a month.

So the problem had nothing to do with me not making money.

The problem is that I would have been spending a lot of money to get to that mark and I would have owned a lot of good for nothing sites.

If the business had shut down I would have had a major problem. It’s a bad business model but if you want to get into Ken I can teach you how. (-;

I can build up real business and make real money and not have to rely on any of the search engines to do it.

Geeks On Steroids is doing more per day right now then I was doing with the clicks and I have just started playing with that site again.

As a matter of fact I will have done more the first week of this month with Geeks then all last month with the clicks.

If you go back and read your see I did around $9,000.00 last month and thats euros so the dollar would be over $10,000.00.

[kgun]

Originally Posted by janeth

If you go back and read your see I did around $9,000.00 last month and thats euros so the dollar would be over $10,000.00.

Do you have an estimate of the sustainable free cash flow on AdSense?

[greeneagle]

What we really haven't discussed here Janeth, is the original arrival on the Site in the first place and how the gap between cost to get there vs. profit was narrowed in recent alg and structural changes.

I would appreciate you addressing those issues here too, so that we understand the reality of Google's progress in the war on spam-terrorism and the advances being made there.

The differential between cost and profit has been diminishing at a pretty steep slope over time in the Adsense Spam Game, and I don't for one minute believe you can deny that fact!

Thanks,

Ken

[TrafficProducer]

I did around $9,000.00 last month and thats euros so the dollar would be over $10,000.00.

How :)

[janeth]

Originally Posted by kgun

Do you have an estimate of the sustainable free cash flow on AdSense?

I would say it would all depend on how the site was set up. Some of the hosting was not bad but other hosting was going up on me by the day.

One site using search engine optimization techniques from what I’ve seen you could do $100.00 a day if it was set up correctly and all that would be pretty much profit.

That was not enough money for me so we started building more sites. We could not optimize them all for the search engines so we started using PPC.

I would say building sites paying for hosting, designers, and everything else and using PPC about 25% was profit.

The problem goes into the fact that if you loose your account then you loose everything and also the sites are really good for nothing else.

You can make more money on the other side of the fence.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

What we really haven't discussed here Janeth, is the original arrival on the Site in the first place and how the gap between cost to get there vs. profit was narrowed in recent alg and structural changes.

The alg changes did not effect my sites at all.

Originally Posted by greeneagle

The differential between cost and profit has been diminishing at a pretty steep slope over time in the Adsense Spam Game, and I don't for one minute believe you can deny that fact!

It was going up for us. We had not seen any war against spam taking place.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by TrafficProducer

How :)

By building junk sites and spending a lot of money on them. There is more money to be made from building quality sites and selling real products.

There is a lot of money to be made online. To compete in the AdSense type programmes you are trying to make the dollar today and there is nothing long term.

The methods used to make money with AdSense can be used with real sites and real business and make a lot more money then you can make with AdSense.

[greeneagle]

I am glad we made that clear.

Google's algorithm shifts and new road maps in BigDaddy have made it very difficult to play the Adsense Spam Game. It is costly as intended.

Do we all agree?

Sure I trip over some still, but I am not seeing nearly as many as before!

Ken

[kgun]

Originally Posted by janeth

By building junk sites and spending a lot of money on them. There is more money to be made from building quality sites and selling real products.

1. It may be a junk site to you, but not to the surfer.
2. What is the difference between a foccused link collection and the Google SERP pages?

Since I know the answer to the last question, I answer myself, the foccused link collection may for some surfers be better (more relevant) than the SERP pages.

Do not underestimate the IQ of the surfer / or should it be the "browser"?

[greeneagle]

Right smack back in the middle of topic core here:

In light of those changes then:

Is Adsense bad for your business?
Do you have enough control over what you/they publish on your Site, so that it isn't a threat to your business, so that you feel comfortable as a publisher???

Ken

[Tubby]

I am having trouble keeping up with this thread.

Ken asked -
"Is Adsense bad for your business?
Do you have enough control over what you/they publish on your Site, so that it isn't a threat to your business, so that you feel comfortable as a publisher??? "

Yes, adsense is excellent.
Yes I seem to be able to manipulate adverts enough.
Yes I feel comfortable as a publisher.
As best I can estimate, the more competetive the adverts - the better my users like them.

The only adsense adverts I dislike are from ebay. But I never did like ebay . . In fact I am totally biased against Ebay. . I do not like ebay.
Ebay sells car parts. The Bas**rds. .

Where was I ???

P.S. the last google 'shuffle' added about 20% to virtually all my figures.

[davidmg]

greeneagle

Do you have enough control over what you/they publish on your Site, so that it isn't a threat to your business, so that you feel comfortable as a publisher???

With adsense you can choose to block certain ads from your site or you can choose non-compete ads only. You also can with adwords choose which sites you want your ads to run on.

Adsense doesn't hurt a website. It may even help. If you search for links to your site every site that shows your adwords comes up as a link to you. Adsense on your site would show you linking to others paid or not it builds links. If the links weren't inportant they wouldn't show up as links.

I am against adsense only sites with little copy just ads. But having adsense on a website with good copy and or products doesn't hurt anything and like I stated earlier if there is a competitor you don't want to send your customers to you can block their ads from your site by going non-compete.

[kgun]

Originally Posted by Tubby

Yes I seem to be able to manipulate adverts enough.

Isn't that what Ad is all (ok let us agree an important aspect of it) about.

In Norway we have some soap operas, going on year after year. They are among the most popular. Ad is shown so fast that you do not conciously register it with your eyes.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by kgun

1. It may be a junk site to you, but not to the surfer.

It has to be a junk site to him because you want him to click on an ad. If he finds the information he is looking for on your site we will not continue to look for that information.

He will not click on an add if the information he needs has been found.

Originally Posted by kgun

2. What is the difference between a foccused link collection and the Google SERP pages?

Since I know the answer to the last question, I answer myself, the foccused link collection may for some surfers be better (more relevant) than the SERP pages.

Do not underestimate the IQ of the surfer / or should it be the "browser"?

If I’m looking for information online and click a link to find that information and get a site full of ads about that information I don’t find that useful.

And your whole site is now reliant on someone’s site keeping the ads on your site.

Your site provides no real information other then links to more sites that may or may not provide that information.

I’d rather do a search on Google and get the site with the information I need.

You have placed that site at lest two clicks away by putting your site in the middle.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidmg

Adsense doesn't hurt a website.

They hurt the whole Internet and they are the ones that more fraud clicks come from then any other.

They send someone that could have bought from you to your competition.

They make a site look ugly and a professional business can look like someone that is unable to make an income from their on site and there for have to rely on a different business model to make an income.

Originally Posted by davidmg

It may even help. If you search for links to your site every site that shows your adwords comes up as a link to you.

This is untrue. They are written in java and Google can not read java.

Originally Posted by davidmg

Adsense on your site would show you linking to others paid or not it builds links. If the links weren't inportant they wouldn't show up as links.

This is totaly untrue

[Tubby]

A point not made anywhere. . but might just be peculiar to sites similar to mine is that users like adverts. . If adsense can display the newest or the best competition and new sites with good content on a regular basis, users can sometimes be happier to use a well defined specific page to satisfy their need to have looked elswere. keeps them informed about where else to look.

I think that the more competetive the ads displayed, the better my users like it. I have recieved 5 emails in the last 6 months from users trying to locate a site that they found on adsense ads on my pages. I still feel quite pleased with myself if I can re-locate it for a user when they email me.

PEOPLE LIKE ADVERTS (if they are the right adverts)

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tubby

A point not made anywhere. . but might just be peculiar to sites similar to mine is that users like adverts. . If adsense can display the newest or the best competition and new sites with good content on a regular basis, users can sometimes be happier to use a well defined specific page to satisfy their need to have looked elswere. keeps them informed about where else to look.

I think that the more competetive the ads displayed, the better my users like it. I have recieved 5 emails in the last 6 months from users trying to locate a site that they found on adsense ads on my pages. I still feel quite pleased with myself if I can re-locate it for a user when they email me.

PEOPLE LIKE ADVERTS (if they are the right adverts)

Those ads are on the right side of Google and on another 1,000 sites online, you have no control how competitive the ads that are being shown are.

But what you’re saying is that they could have only found that information on your site.

I’m sure there's a reason no one else brought that up. lol

[kgun]

Originally Posted by janeth

It has to be a junk site to him because you want him to click on an ad. If he finds the information he is looking for on your site we will not continue to look for that information.

He will not click on an add if the information he needs has been found.

Yes and an ad magazine want you to read the Ad. They live of it. An ad magazine sells the commodity / service ad.

A combined information / ad magazine is in between.

Originally Posted by janeth

If I’m looking for information online and click a link to find that information and get a site full of ads about that information I don’t find that useful.

And your whole site is now reliant on someone’s site keeping the ads on your site.

Your site provides no real information other then links to more sites that may or may not provide that information.

I’d rather do a search on Google and get the site with the information I need.

You have placed that site at lest two clicks away by putting your site in the middle.

My bolding.

I see we will never agree.

[davidmg]

janeth wrote:

This is untrue. They are written in java and Google can not read java.

Then why do they show up as links to your site if Google can't read them?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by kgun

Yes and an ad magazine want you to read the Ad. They live of it. An ad magazine sells the commodity / service ad.

A combined information / ad magazine is in between.

An add magazine yes but less time I walked into Ford I messed the ads being displayed for Honda.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidmg

janeth wrote:

Then why do they show up as links to your site if Google can't read them?

Show me.

[Tubby]

Janeth Quote
"Those ads are on the right side of Google and on another 1,000 sites online, you have no control how competitive the ads that are being shown are."

This might be. . . But I have many thousand of users that do not visit the many thousands of other sites on the web. . I do not care what other sites display. I care about what I display.

Google places the ads, there job is to select ads that fit my page. They are inproving all the time, and I keep fiddling with my format to attract better ads.

I like adsense, my users like adsense . . from here everything looks like it works well . . I only know about problems with adsemse by reading messages in forums...

[kgun]

Originally Posted by janeth

An add magazine yes but less time I walked into Ford I messed the ads being displayed for Honda.

Should it be,

An ad magazine yes, but last time I walked into Ford, I missed the ads being displayed for Honda.

And for Volvo, BMV, Merceds, .... and you got less confused.

Can you show me a relevant example site with Google AdSense on it that illustrates your point?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidmg

If you search for links to your site every site that shows your adwords comes up as a link to you. Adsense on your site would show you linking to others paid or not it builds links. If the links weren't inportant they wouldn't show up as links.

If you look at the source code on any site that is using Google AdSense you will not see the URL for any sites running Google AdWords.

So how could you get credit for a link that no one, not even you and I can see in the source code?

If you were correct then If my site was banned from Google and I ran AdWords and showed up on your site.

Your site then could be banned for linking to me.

How would this be good for your business.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tubby

Janeth Quote
"Those ads are on the right side of Google and on another 1,000 sites online, you have no control how competitive the ads that are being shown are."

This might be. . . But I have many thousand of users that do not visit the many thousands of other sites on the web. . I do not care what other sites display. I care about what I display.

Google places the ads, there job is to select ads that fit my page. They are inproving all the time, and I keep fiddling with my format to attract better ads.

I like adsense, my users like adsense . . from here everything looks like it works well . . I only know about problems with adsemse by reading messages in forums...

Fair enough, all the 1’000’s of people on your site only look on your site for information and have never looked any where else on the web.

And they love ads but this is not the feeling of most people that search online.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by kgun

Should it be,

An ad magazine yes, but last time I walked into Ford, I missed the ads being displayed for Honda.

And for Volvo, BMV, Merceds, .... and you got less confused.

Can you show me a relevant example site with Google AdSense on it that illustrates your point?

Let me back up a little and try to explain this. YOU decided to bring up off line ad magazines for reasons unknown to me and the fact that they show ads.

I then said yes an off line ad magazine might show ads but Ford does not show ads for Honda.

Meaning that a website that is selling a product should not show ads for someone else’s product.

If you’re selling Ford cars, your competition would be other Ford dealers. If Honda comes in and says we are not in direct competition with one another and I’ll give you $1.00 for every customer you send me, I’m thinking a lot of you would get excited and jump right on this.

Can I show you this in the real world. No they’ve all gone out of business. (-;

[davidmg]

janeth wrote:

If you look at the source code on any site that is using Google AdSense you will not see the URL for any sites running Google AdWords.

So how could you get credit for a link that no one, not even you and I can see in the source code?

If you were correct then If my site was banned from Google and I ran AdWords and showed up on your site.

Your site then could be banned for linking to me.

How would this be good for your business.

Janeth here are two of the examples.
MaineOutdoorFurniture.com | Maine Outdoor Furniture | Outdoor ...Related Links. Outdoor Wicker Furniture · Patio Furniture Covers · Bar Harbor Maine Rentals ... davidmg.com/. Copyright © 2006 MaineOutdoorFurniture.com. ...
www.maineoutdoorfurniture.com/ - 23k - Cached - Similar pages


Umbra Fuego Metal Fireplace Tool Set to Match Madera Log Holder ...The poke and hook link together to form tongs. Fuego Fireplace Tools Size: Height 28' Base 9 ... davidmg.com Overall Rating: Not Yet Rated. I'm shopping for ...
http://www.bizrate.co.uk/fireplaceac...20bermuda.html - 45k - Cached - Similar pages

just put link;yoururl into google look at the catched page and it highlights your url in the adsense link.

Also why would google care if your site was banned but you were paying for adwords and they make money through adsense promoting what you are paying for?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidmg

Also why would google care if your site was banned but you were paying for adwords and they make money through adsense promoting what you are paying for?

The wouldn't but Google bans sites that link out to sites that have been banned.

So if they credit that site with a back link then they would also say you were linking to that site.

Which would cause you to have a pr loss and also stand a chance of being banned for linking out to sites that have been banned.

[kgun]

Originally Posted by janeth

I then said yes an off line ad magazine might show ads but Ford does not show ads for Honda.

Meaning that a website that is selling a product should not show ads for someone else’s product.

Yes, I agree if you compare every web site to a Ford or Honda dealer. I do not and am sure that AdSense is a complement to small sites. In theory, if profit increases with one $, they should.

If it destroys their brand and profit decreases they shall not.

Originally Posted by janeth

Can I show you this in the real world. No they’ve all gone out of business. (-;

All gone out of business? I am sceptical.

[davidmg]

janeth wrote:

Which would cause you to have a pr loss and also stand a chance of being banned for linking out to sites that have been banned.

There are millions of dead links out there and archives of dead sites. If a site is banned and pulled there are still copies of pages floating around having links from one ot these sites on an old adsense ad can't hurt you. Also if your site is banned why would you pay adwords to promote it.

In this day and age you have to grab what ever dollars you can while you can and live within your means. Pay cash whenever possible. The entire internet could crash any day and we would all be in hot water. A few summers ago the great lakes area had a major black out and I couldn't process orders for a few days. I still think terrorists could hit a few power plants and know out the country or somebody could finally write a virus to erase the internet. Then where would we be. S**T happens. If you can grab a few bucks on the side from adsense do it! Not everyone who comes to your site is a buyer! You try to grab the sale by good copy and good pics but if they are just shopping then grab something when they leave cause you paid for them to come in the first place. If you don't run adsense on your site and a customer leaves they use the back arrow and click on another google ad going to your competitor, google makes the money agian and you still loose the sale "maybe" cause like I stated earlier I also track IP's and it's supprizing how many return in a short period. They are shopping.

[Tubby]

Janeth Quote
"Fair enough, all the 1’000’s of people on your site only look on your site for information and have never looked any where else on the web.

And they love ads but this is not the feeling of most people that search online."

Janeth. as silly as it may sound, I have huge numbers of users that rarely use the web other than my site. I have alarge number of users that do not own a computer and simply use the sons or daughters.
These are my users. i do have several thousand users that rarely look anywhere else. (and many that scour the net constantly)

one of the most regular email I send out by user request is as below.
-------------------------------Scroll copy and paste - Step by step instructions ---------------------------------

1 place the curser (moving market operated by the mouse) on top of the
last letter of the word need to copy’

2 Left click on mouse ( HOLD IT ON LEFT CLICK) - now move the
curser over the word - This should create a black area over the word
when the area you wish to copy is highlighted - remove your finger
from the left click. ( this should leave you with a highlighted area)

3 Leave or place the curser on the highlighted area – now right click -
This should bring up an option - choose - copy – Left click copy.

4 wherever you wish to place these words - place your curser where
you need the text - right click - click paste-

5 you can click to your hearts content – you cam paste into emails
you can copy whole paragraphs. Just right click then left click
on past,
_________________
email me if it does not work - Tubby

I send this email to user who wish to take home contact phone numbers of users that own vehicle of the same type. or to take to a car club meeting.
(this is why I retain old adverts) I do have a different user base - I earned them

example page http://restored-classic.com/chevy/1979.html

Janeth - YES, I have many thousands of users that know I will find them what they need. . I have many hundreds of sellers that look for on site users that want what they are selling.

The web is to large to be indifferent, I am not indifferent. I have many many users who have learned how to upload photos on the net at photohosters.com I have many hundreds of users that I have walked through the process of learning that a photo in their photo files needs to be uploaded to the net to be visible to web users. I do work for my income..

I do fully realise That my user base is a lot different from many sites (Especially webmaster based site)- but Janeth, from a very early stage my intent was to cater to a very specific group of people . . Adsense and my sites work very nicely together.

P.S. I sold 3 Tshirts Today. .http://restocar.com/fun-shirts/Unsto...t-T-Shirt.html
I do not run adsense directed at T shirts..

You are always interesting to read Janeth - I have on more than one occasion been pointed toward different perspective.

Quote
"Fair enough, all the 1’000’s of people on your site only look on your site for information and have never looked any where else on the web"

I think I detected a little sarcasm there Janeth. .
I would simply like to make it perfectly clear.
my statement was
But I have many thousand of users that do not visit the many thousands of other sites on the web.

I never said all, or anywhere else . .
I think my statement was honest and correct.

I can live with the sarcasm Janeth. . I like your posts...

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tubby

Janeth. as silly as it may sound, I have huge numbers of users that rarely use the web other than my site. I have alarge number of users that do not own a computer and simply use the sons or daughters.
These are my users. i do have several thousand users that rarely look anywhere else. (and many that scour the net constantly)

I think Ken showing up got me a little on edge. I did like the sarcasm but wouldn’t have posted it if it had been anyone else. I knew you could handle it.

I really hate to admit that there are some sites the ads do work good on.

Your industry is unique and different as it’s dealing with old cars and most the people that deal with old cars are old men. (-:

And they know nothing about the internet.

Sites that are in a small market and are built to find information like your site are good.

I was trying to find some parts for my bronco the other day and was having a really hard time.

But sites like yours are not common.

[NameCritic]

Originally Posted by kgun

1. It may be a junk site to you, but not to the surfer.
2. What is the difference between a foccused link collection and the Google SERP pages?

Since I know the answer to the last question, I answer myself, the foccused link collection may for some surfers be better (more relevant) than the SERP pages.

Do not underestimate the IQ of the surfer / or should it be the "browser"?

Hmmm, lets see. If I went to a search engine and typed in a phrase and click to a junk site with targeted ads VS I go to a search engine and type in a phrase, click the link and go right to the relevant page.

If the junk sites did not exist, the surfer wouldfind what they are looking for without the extra click.

The sites are set up to get paid for a search that no one would have been paid for if the site did not exist.

Its clever to create the middleman in search, but in my opinion not helping search overall.

Again, to clarify. I don't care how anyone here decides to do their business. I just disagree with the argument that some make about how they are actually helping searchers find what they are looking for.

[jnoneiliv1]

Tubby,

Thanks so much for jumping into the fray. Too often the so-called experts on this forum a little dogmatic in their ideological debates to be useful for real business owners. Not to dismiss all that I HAVE learned from the experts and moderators on this site, overall a fantastic resource.

Your success with Adsense bolsters my hypothesis about its potential for my business.

I am trying to attract folks who need custom castings, but often I get inquiries from people who really want a commodity item. I am happy to refer them to the best sources for these items as I would like to eventually create traffic and referals from good will and gaining a reputation as an expert on the topic.

As narrow and relevant as I try to optimize for generic search and Ads, I cannot help but get clicks from folks who are looking for something I do not provide, but I know what they are looking for.

If I can find a way to recoup my "referral" through Adsense, I don't need to worry as much about casting too wide a net with Adwords.

There are people trying to use Adwords and Adsense to help market REAL products and not just make money from Search arbitrage.........Let's hear from those folks, anyone else trying to use this stuff to make hard goods?

James

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidmg

janeth wrote:
There are millions of dead links out there and archives of dead sites. If a site is banned and pulled there are still copies of pages floating around having links from one ot these sites on an old adsense ad can't hurt you.

According to Google if you link out to a site that has been banned and they find that link they will ban you.

Originally Posted by davidmg

Also if your site is banned why would you pay adwords to promote it.

How else are you going to promote it, if the site is banned it does not mean you have to go out of business.

Originally Posted by davidmg

In this day and age you have to grab what ever dollars you can while you can and live within your means. Pay cash whenever possible. The entire internet could crash any day and we would all be in hot water. A few summers ago the great lakes area had a major black out and I couldn't process orders for a few days. I still think terrorists could hit a few power plants and know out the country or somebody could finally write a virus to erase the internet. Then where would we be. S**T happens. If you can grab a few bucks on the side from adsense do it! Not everyone who comes to your site is a buyer! You try to grab the sale by good copy and good pics but if they are just shopping then grab something when they leave cause you paid for them to come in the first place. If you don't run adsense on your site and a customer leaves they use the back arrow and click on another google ad going to your competitor, google makes the money agian and you still loose the sale "maybe" cause like I stated earlier I also track IP's and it's supprizing how many return in a short period. They are shopping.

Sounds like you have it all planned out. I hope it continues to work for you.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tubby

P.S. I sold 3 Tshirts Today. .http://restocar.com/fun-shirts/Unsto...t-T-Shirt.html
I do not run adsense directed at T shirts..

To bad you don't have T shirts for real trucks. (-:

I need to post a picture of my Ford Bronco here. (-:

[greeneagle]

Janeth:

"According to Google if you link out to a site that has been banned and they find that link they will ban you."

Janeth, would you be so kind to show us where the GOOGLE Webmaster Guidelines even remotely claim that?

Thanks,
Ken

[janeth]

Originally Posted by jnoneiliv1

Too often the so-called experts on this forum a little dogmatic in their ideological debates to be useful for real business owners.

I've never claimed to be an expert but if you’re talking about me I’m very sorry if I came across that way.

There are times when the AdSense type ads do work. I think at this time in my life if I had to do something with the excess traffic from a site that was looking for things I did not sell I would try and go straight to the other site and work some sort of deal.

But then that’s me. I’ve never had a problem with information sites using AdSense. I’d never buy from a business site that had AdSense on there site because it looks to much like the owner of the site is looking to make a fast buck and does not care very much about his business.

And keep in mind most people are not making that much money with the ads.

I kind of got on the kick that all ads of this sort were bad and it’s not the case.

The work good and are a benefit to the internet on sites like Tubby’s.

I’ve posted my opinions here and that’s all they are. I’m not trying to discourage anyone from using such ads on their sites.

And I’m sorry I got a little carried away with my opinions in this matter.

[davidmg]

Thanks greeneagle I wanted to ask janeth the same question. I doubt she can find it.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Janeth:

Janeth, would you be so kind to show us where the GOOGLE Webmaster Guidelines even remotely claim that?

Thanks,
Ken

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

[jnoneiliv1]

Thanks for the reply Janeth. Your viewpoint and intention was very clear from the beginning and your opinions have been very helpful as you provided your personal experience as a corollary to your conclusions. Even if someone disagreed with your conclusions, I would think anyone could benefit from your exposition of personal experience. If someone really thinks you've mistated your figures, they can take that offline, or just leave well enough alone.

I am a little stuck on your statement that you would not buy from a site that was running Adsense on it. Maybe that is the biggest concern I have about using them as a tool is a potential for erosion of credibility, and your post prods my thinking again in this area. You have done a great job in that area on your own sites. The testimonials are great.

I hate landing on a site full of Adsense ads, but I don't think I am personally averse to sites that have included them in moderation. I've seen this done well on good free technical advice sites, and as I'm glad for the information, I hope the ads help the author recoup his efforts. This was for sites that had obvious, very good, relevant content. When the content doesn't measure up, I'm just further turned off by the ads on my way to the back button.

I personally think the New York Times should put all of their content on the net for free, and try to recoup with Adsense. Oops, I digress.

Cheers, thanks for the thoughtful posts.

[Andilinks]

I think Google is now doing manual evaluations before banning many sites though they can probably spot new spam with an algorithm.

I have participated in several discussions about this and most have concluded that if sites were automatically banned for linking to banned sites it would cascade into decimating the entire Google index.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by jnoneiliv1

I am a little stuck on your statement that you would not buy from a site that was running Adsense on it. Maybe that is the biggest concern I have about using them as a tool is a potential for erosion of credibility, and your post prods my thinking again in this area. You have done a great job in that area on your own sites. The testimonials are great.

It’s only my personal thoughts but most sites online even if it’s a big company in your town, state or country unless it’s world wide I wouldn’t know who they are.

If I’m looking for a company to buy shoes for my daughter and I run across a website that has the shoes but is also running Google ads I would think it was a small business barley making it and having to use ads to make up the income.

The fact that they appear not to be making a living with their business would scare me and for that reason I would not buy from them.

Originally Posted by jnoneiliv1

I hate landing on a site full of Adsense ads, but I don't think I am personally averse to sites that have included them in moderation. I've seen this done well on good free technical advice sites, and as I'm glad for the information, I hope the ads help the author recoup his efforts. This was for sites that had obvious, very good, relevant content. When the content doesn't measure up, I'm just further turned off by the ads on my way to the back button.

I agree with you here. The more time I spent talking about the ads the more I did agree that there are times they are a good source of income for content sites.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Gees Janeth, I wish you had better command of the English language!

Maybe you and I wouldn't have so much problem.

LOL,

Ken

I don't think the problem is with me Ken I coped it from Google. Let me see if I can post it for you again.

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

The last part says that linking to "bad neighborhoods" will adversely affect your ranking.

What there saying here Ken is that if you link to a site they considered a bad neighbor then they will penalize your site.

Now a lot of people online have taken this to mean they will ban your site. As a matter of fact a search in Google and a little time I’m sure you can find people that have had their sites banned and even more people talking about this.

I’m not sure which problem you’re having with that Ken but it seems pretty cut and dry to me.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Andilinks

I think Google is now doing manual evaluations before banning many sites though they can probably spot new spam with an algorithm.

I have participated in several discussions about this and most have concluded that if sites were automatically banned for linking to banned sites it would cascade into decimating the entire Google index.

I’ve not been around the forums for awhile and don’t have the information at hand to debate on this.

You could very well be correct but I’m not going to take any chances with my site. (-;

[NameCritic]

I use adwords to sell product. I just don't buy into the content network, search terms only. works fine.

[greeneagle]

Janeth,

You have initiated a great thread and made many good points here. I have come on a bit harsh, I apologize for that.

You and I go back a long way on not seeing eye to eye on some things. We get each other going pretty well.

You are absolutely right in your statements that it is more profitable to go straight as an Adsense publisher..

The thread Title itself was what initially got me going because I don't agree that Adsense is bad for business across the board. Indeed it is not right for many Sites.

Sometimes we get crossed up on our words, but the points you made about the Adsense game not being a profitable business and why, are extremely valid here, especially coming from a voice of experience from someone that jumped aboard there for a while, like so many did. After all that seemed to be the game for a while.

I sincerely hope that you and your business recover very quickly and you regain the footing you need to continue your long term success. I apologize for coming on so harshly, when we should have focused on the main points you were making.

I do believe Google is making great strides in cleaning up the mess they left behind on the table and that Adwords and Adsense are more viable now than they have been in some time, when used as intended.

Ken

[wmrobwl]

Originally Posted by janeth

LOL you want to post a website URL on here and put that to the test?

Janeth, I know you said that you were done posting, but this is my first time reading this post and I wanted to take you up on this challenge.

About.com

See if you can get their account shut down.

[Peopleunit]

People don't like search engine spam, so sites that make use of these tactics, their days are numbered and their profitability will falter.

Give them the axe Google, or make them pay through the nose. Good bye and good riddance. Your advertisers don't want their ads on these sites, where leads are hardly qualified, if at all.