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Old 08-02-2006, 10:18 PM
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You should always have a mix of ads, adsense + affiliate and it will make you more money. Adsense is a third level affiliate, where google end up getting maximum share.

You get money for three things,
  1. Clicks: You get very less amount. say X
  2. Lead: You get pretty good amount. 100X
  3. Sale. you get very good amount. 300X

Now if your website helps in getting sale then why to go to for click. Google only offers click money.

Google makes the process simpler but that doesn't mean richer.

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Not disputing any of the above, just a reminder:

The original purpose of AdSense was to monetize content sites. It was for sites that were useful, had traffic, and perhaps made a pittance from a banner ad or two.

I have one of those sites, and my income went from a few dollars a day, to $100, by placing AdSense where banners once were.

So, I throroughly recommend AdSense for sites that have good content and lots of traffic, but no product of their own to sell.
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Build quality content and Google will never close your account.

EXACTAMUNDO!
LOL you want to post a website URL on here and put that to the test?
I have never had an account closed. (100+ sites)

Show me a url that had its account closed that had good content. I would really like to see it.
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I'm not disagreeing with anything being said. Just posing a question. For example, informational, educational, or sites related to awareness themes.

The costs of the website can be recovered by Adsense or similar type of ad model, no?

If not, what would be a better alternative, in general? (barring paypal donations, because, who does that anyway?)

I'll make this a 2-parter -- about Google shutting down accounts. Even if a publisher stays in the guidelines, are publishers still vulnerable to click fraud by a sabateur? (thus having their account shut down...)
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spronger wrote, " The first step to make a site work with AdSense is to provide useful, engaging content. Visitors who arrive at a site and find it "totally useless" don't click on ads, they click the back button."
Yeah, sure they do. Thats what you or I might do, but surfers ARE clicking the ads on the no content or bad content websites. Thats why some companies are making big money with domain tasting. Surfers see the google box and some links related to what they are looking for and click them.

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A successful website monitised with Adsense informs the visitor on a particlar subject. It engages them. After reading your informative content the visitor is then presented with ads from merchants who prodide products or services relevant to your content. That's when people click.
We'd like to believe that but janeth is right. Building a website with the primary goal of getting people to click the ads means NOT providing what they are looking for. If they found what they are looking for they have no need to click the links.

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No they don't. The exact opposite applies. Good for nothing sites wither and die. They don't provide long term success with Adsense or with any other monitisation model.
Yet once again there are companies investing millions in domain names and doing domain tasting that are having long term success with adsense on site with no content or spammy content if any. Many are simply link farms and they are making more than all but the most authoritative websites that make money with adsense.

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Only if you build sites which do not comply with Google's TOS. Break the rules, you get get cancelled. Don't break the rules, you won't.
Yet I know people who did not break the tos and got canceled. I see websites every day that do break the tos and don't get canceled.

We agree on pretty much everything else you posted, but the fact is that people are gaming the system and google is also making money from them doing so and not taking those websites down even after being reported.

Yes, I'm sure that it is all coincidental and google has everyone's best interest at heart and all that.
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A successful website monitised with Adsense informs the visitor on a particlar subject. It engages them. After reading your informative content the visitor is then presented with ads from merchants who prodide products or services relevant to your content. That's when people click.
We'd like to believe that but janeth is right. Building a website with the primary goal of getting people to click the ads means NOT providing what they are looking for. If they found what they are lookinjg for they have no need to click the links.
I have to disagree. People can find good information, and, when finished with your great content, find something additional, on topic, that they want to continue their search. Web sites with great content can provide links to other related sites. They don't have to be "useless".
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Um, Janeth? Maybe I'm naive about this but-- WHY would you do that? Why would anyone do that to an informational site? I can (almost) understand why (but never endorse) these cutthroat and underhanded tactics are being used on highly competitive product sites, but an informational site?
On an information site I could understand more because it would be the only soruce of income.

On a site were your trying to sell something is a little harder to understand.
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Build quality content and Google will never close your account.

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LOL you want to post a website URL on here and put that to the test?
I have never had an account closed. (100+ sites)

Show me a url that had its account closed that had good content. I would really like to see it.
Check out some of the forums and you'll see that the main reason Google closes accounts is because the clicks don't look right on them.

I've never seen them close an account because of the way the site looks.

But bad clicks can get an account closed.

Which means me or anyone else could effect your account.
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I'm not disagreeing with anything being said. Just posing a question. For example, informational, educational, or sites related to awareness themes.

The costs of the website can be recovered by Adsense or similar type of ad model, no?
I agree that there are times when AdSense are a good call for a site.

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If not, what would be a better alternative, in general? (barring paypal donations, because, who does that anyway?)
There are always ways to make a site make money. It would depend on the site but this forum is a good example of an information site that makes money without adSense.

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I'll make this a 2-parter -- about Google shutting down accounts. Even if a publisher stays in the guidelines, are publishers still vulnerable to click fraud by a sabateur? (thus having their account shut down...)
I would say yes they are.
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Thanks for the info janeth.

By the way I edited my post because somehow my tired brain got lost when I didn't realize this thread was 3 pages by now, and also didn't see you had responded already. :)

So sorry if my original questions were redundant, I missed the other questions that were in the same ballpark as mine.

What a scary thought, the idea of sabotaging other's Google accounts. I've been more on the Adwords side, so I'm only hoping they refund advertisers for the same fraudulent clicks they catch when they close publisher's accounts...
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There are two points that have been brought up time and again by people that claim to be making Money with these sites.

I find it sad that they seem to know so little while claiming to make so much.

Hosting is one of them.

While you are correct in the fact that you can find hosting for a couple $’s a month, as a site starts getting more traffic the hosting starts to cost more money.

Now you claim to have a high traffic site while at the same time claim to be paying very little for hosting. I have a decided a server for some of my sites and it cost me something like $250.00 per month.

While I have other sites on shared hosting that cost me around $50.00 per month.

If your sites are high traffic sites you will find they will cost more then a couple $’s a month.


Next they claim the sites that make money are the sites with good information.

If this was true then why did Google just change their AdWords Quality Store to stop the people from bidding on AdWords and placing sites there that had no content but only had AdSense.

They did it because every time you clicked on an AdWords ad you got a sites full of more AdWords.

People were doing that because they were making a killing of the AdSense money by building site that only had AdWords ads on them.

Google started looking at how much content is on a page, rather the page links out to other related sites, has a contact us page and a privacy policy.

They did this in an attempt to stop people from making sites that had nothing on them but AdSense.
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:14 AM
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Thanks for the info janeth.

By the way I edited my post because somehow my tired brain got lost when I didn't realize this thread was 3 pages by now, and also didn't see you had responded already. :)
I've been having Internet problems all day. My house is to far away from town and we have been having a lot of problems with the internet the last couple days.

So I've been slow to respond all day today.

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So sorry if my original questions were redundant, I missed the other questions that were in the same ballpark as mine.
There is so much going on in this thread so fast that it's gotten a little hard to keep up with. 0-:

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What a scary thought, the idea of sabotaging other's Google accounts.
Most people think it would never happen to them, I've never tried but I feel pretty sure I could get someone's account shut down if I did.

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I've been more on the Adwords side, so I'm only hoping they refund advertisers for the same fraudulent clicks they catch when they close publisher's accounts...
They might from time to time but I would be willing to bet that all the money is not refunded.
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  1. Clicks: You get very less amount. say X
  2. Lead: You get pretty good amount. 100X
  3. Sale. you get very good amount. 300X

Now if your website helps in getting sale then why to go to for click. Google only offers click money.
I'm confused on how #2 differs with 1 or 3. If it's more than a click, but not a sale, how does one get paid for 'leads'.
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A successful website monitised with Adsense informs the visitor on a particlar subject. It engages them. After reading your informative content the visitor is then presented with ads from merchants who prodide products or services relevant to your content. That's when people click.
We'd like to believe that but janeth is right. Building a website with the primary goal of getting people to click the ads means NOT providing what they are looking for. If they found what they are lookinjg for they have no need to click the links.
I have to disagree. People can find good information, and, when finished with your great content, find something additional, on topic, that they want to continue their search. Web sites with great content can provide links to other related sites. They don't have to be "useless".
You are correct people will sometimes click on ads from sites that have good content.

But test have shown people are more likely to click when the content is poor and they can not find what their looking for.
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  1. Clicks: You get very less amount. say X
  2. Lead: You get pretty good amount. 100X
  3. Sale. you get very good amount. 300X

Now if your website helps in getting sale then why to go to for click. Google only offers click money.
I'm confused on how #2 differs with 1 or 3. If it's more than a click, but not a sale, how does one get paid for 'leads'.
One would be a sell and the other a potential customer.

But the problem with these types of sites is that you have to rely on the other site being able to convert the visitor.

Let’s say you have a site that links to my site. I agree to pay you 50% of every sell made by the visitors you send me.

You run some AdWords ads spend $300.00 and start sending me traffic.

Now let’s say my shopping cart is not working or my site is off line or it’s just ugly and will not convert the customer.

You did your part but I did not do mine so you loose.
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Adsense isn't for everyone and finding a model that works can be frustrating. Fortunately mine works very well, it is a very easy way to make money.

I'll ride this Adsense horse until it dies under me, then I'll find another way to monetize my database. Or maybe I'll just manage the accumulated AdSense money and sell the database.

My site has a very simple goal: help people find stuff. A large percentage of my visiors arrive unreferred, so some of them must find my site useful. The ones who leave via AdSense are useful to me.

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I'll ride this Adsense horse until it dies under me, then I'll find another way to monetize my database.
That's the same thing my ex-wife used to say.

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As an advertiser, I would never allow my ads to be placed on the content network. I always feared that the ROI would be poor compared to search network. This thread confirms it.


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I stick with the search and let the content network go to someone else and happy to do so.
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  1. Clicks: You get very less amount. say X
  2. Lead: You get pretty good amount. 100X
  3. Sale. you get very good amount. 300X

Now if your website helps in getting sale then why to go to for click. Google only offers click money.
I'm confused on how #2 differs with 1 or 3. If it's more than a click, but not a sale, how does one get paid for 'leads'.
Lead is when someone submits a form which is not of final purchase. Example "Form which says I am interested, send me the catalog, where the user also provides the phone number or email id". There is a high chance of sale.

In Sale you make the payment, company earns by it.
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Yet once again there are companies investing millions in domain names and doing domain tasting that are having long term success with adsense on site with no content or spammy content if any. Many are simply link farms and they are making more than all but the most authoritative websites that make money with adsense.

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Only if you build sites which do not comply with Google's TOS. Break the rules, you get get cancelled. Don't break the rules, you won't.
Yet I know people who did not break the tos and got canceled. I see websites every day that do break the tos and don't get canceled.
First off I fess up as an Adwords person who has nightmares that I left the 'content network' box checked. However having seen all this debate and agreeing with most people that reail sites shouldn't have adsense and that the original concept of info site with adsense is a good idea gone bad with the link farms, I saw this last week:

Go Daddy cash parking.

Go Daddy are a major company (didn't they have a superbowl advert in 2005?) yet they are basically advertising a service where you pay them per month, they add adsense to a blank holding page for your URL and then give you a percentage of the adsense revenue. Surely this has to be so far outside the boundry of Adsense TOC it can't be allowed.

They wouldn't be doing it if they hadn't got the go ahead from Adsense and or their lawyers. Am i missing something here or is this just going to add many more empty adsense sites?

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Janeth, and all who subscribe to her publishing/marketing tactics: the essence of what you are doing by creating "nothing" sites is essentially defrading visitors of obtaining information or whatever from what could be content rich websites.

You are, from what I can tell, profiting by manipulation of people and business.

Parasitic sorta.
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Go Daddy cash parking.

Go Daddy are a major company (didn't they have a superbowl advert in 2005?) yet they are basically advertising a service where you pay them per month, they add adsense to a blank holding page for your URL and then give you a percentage of the adsense revenue.

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Been a long time, hope everything is go well with you.

I think it also proves that pages with no text and only ads do very well or Godaddy would not be spending the time and energy to do this.
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I’ve gotten several emails from this post. As a matter of fact out of all the post I’ve ever made I think this one has produced the most personal emails sent to me.

I want to think everyone for the emails but would also like to say that throughout the post here and in some of the emails I have been corrected in my way of thinking.

There are times when AdSense is a good way to create an income for a site. On sites that are created as a hobby or on sites that were created for content AdSense is a good way for those sites to make an income.

The problem is the abuse of AdSense far out ways the times when it should be used.

But I do agree AdSense is good for those types of sites.
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Not disputing any of the above, just a reminder:

The original purpose of AdSense was to monetize content sites. It was for sites that were useful, had traffic, and perhaps made a pittance from a banner ad or two.

I have one of those sites, and my income went from a few dollars a day, to $100, by placing AdSense where banners once were.

So, I throroughly recommend AdSense for sites that have good content and lots of traffic, but no product of their own to sell.
Read and reread that post. Think of it.

1. Ad is a commodity.
2. What is the difference between a digital Ad magazine and a paper Ad magazine? You are living in the beginning of the digital age.
3. Every dollar invested, spent, used, paid has an alternative.
4. Every space you use on your site / page has an alternative use.
5. Every minute you use has an alternative use.

It is up to you to find the profit maximum for your company. That is also good for your employers if you manage to find that maximum.

Profit maximum is not equivalent to using maximum input of one production factor. It is up to you to find the optimum combination of verious inputs that maximizes company profit.

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Janeth, you are a gem.

Thanks for being one of those who see the light and help all of us internet searchers not to have to wade through all that junk to arrive at quality content.

I feel that in the long run it will make for a much better search experience and I wouldn't be surprised if our collective revenue went up on our legitimate sites.

Never messed with Google AdSense or any of the others in the first place. It never struck me as smart to pay for clicks. A click is supposed to be a lead. In the real world, a lead has to be pre-qualified to count as NOT worthless. It also means that there "might" be some actual honest work involved to make it a living at it, lol.

Maybe Google can come up with a model where they get a small percentage of actual sales. Now there is a concept that would work well for everyone, wouldn't you think?

PayPal, i.e. gives me a lot of business through a listing on their site and they earn every penny of the very small percentage they charge me. I am happy, I make money, they make a killing because they have millions of happy customer and it works for them.

Pay attention Google. Give us an honest deal and you wont have to waste so much time and resources to clean up the messes your greed creates.
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This has to be one of the best and informational postings that I have read..I find coincedential because when this posting first appeared, I was going to post a ? on "How to make more money from adsense" for my informational site? Anway thanks to Janeth posting and the responses, I have learned a few things, some good (ad blending etc) some bad (adsense junk sites, which really ticked me off when I do a search for info, how to have a site removed from absense (competitor?) by paying someone to click on their absense ad)and things that I already knew (high traffic)...I also visited most of the links posted in signatures (no I didn't click on any adsense ads on site that have them l.o.l) and was quite frankly impressed (especially "Coffee Girl"..exotic eye candy) so may I say something...Adsense-Love it or Leave it
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Go Janeth! - It would be an improvement of any search result if you could block all the sites that have AdSense on them. Most of them are just pure junk.
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Go Janeth! - It would be an improvement of any search result if you could block all the sites that have AdSense on them. Most of them are just pure junk.
Lets get specific:
Look at the site OopSchool in my signature. It has AdSense on it. Can you please tell me why that site is pure junk?
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Why is this link in the posting? (improvement of any search result) mentioned by kgun and Drk..am I missing something but to get to the topic about junk sites..site that I refer to are basic grade 3 English, no real information and look liek they spent more time "blending the ads" than on content or coding..kgun I did check out your site and to me-it does not fit my definition of "junk adsense site"
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Go Janeth! - It would be an improvement of any search result if you could block all the sites that have AdSense on them. Most of them are just pure junk.
Lets get specific:
Look at the site OopSchool in my signature. It has AdSense on it. Can you please tell me why that site is pure junk?
Your site has great content. But just so you know, on my screen, the content doesn't start until way down the page. The adsense banner is too wide so the content starts below the sidebar.
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DrK's emotional and irresponsible attacks on AdSense are typical of those jealous of any successful program and should be discounted.

Yes, there is AdSense abuse and there are things to criticize. But that is hardly a reason for a wholesale condemnation, which is just reckless and worthless.
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...the content doesn't start until way down the page.
Ad placement is both a business and aesthetic choice, if a visitor does not seek anything beyond the AdSense banners then perhaps the AdSense is what they wanted. The very reason that the AdWords/AdSense program is so successful is that it is often just as relevant as the site's content. Since it is contemporaneous with the search which the site's content is not the AdSense is often more relevant.

Searchers should be given some credit for knowing that the search text they sought is indeed somewhere on the page. If they are so impulsive that they click on the first thing they see they are not being very thoughtful anyway. But who's to say that the first thing they see may not be exactly what they want? If AdSense is doing its job then that is the case.
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Janeth, your post was refreshing. Thanks for sharing your opinions, even more, your own experiences with Adsense.

I'm still very interested in Adsense, but I confess to potentially opting into buying relevance for frustration, inexperience, or expediency.

I launched a website to promote my own decidely "bricks and mortar business" (see signature), and gave up trying to get good rankings in Google for organic search. It will take me some time to get good inbound links.

So, I started using Adwords and have had good success generating leads. I've "checked off" the content network box as some of the bogus Adsense sites show up well in the organic search or advertise under keywords relevant to my business and so far I cannot detect any harm from the content network exposure.

In both the organic search and Adwords campaign, I have tried to use narrowly defined, but highly relevant keywords to my business with poor results.

I found that using broader keywords in my Adwords campaigns worked better, but some words like "wrought iron" generate a ton of casual browsing traffic.

I've tried to block impressions to keywords I know generate a lot of hobby interest traffic, but I am interested in opening back up my Adwords keywords and then trying to "re-coup" some browsing traffic through Adsense as mentioned by davidmg.

I see no way around buying my keyword relevance until I can beat the rankings game, and Adsense may help me hedge against using too large a net.

I'll get better at matching my relevance to generic search and I expect inbound links are most important at this juncture, but until then I need to be practical to generate some exposure and so far Adwords has worked well.

Ideas? Any insights to narrow vs. broad keywords and Adwords, Adsense recoup?

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Ad placement is both a business and aesthetic choice, if a visitor does not seek anything beyond the AdSense banners then perhaps the AdSense is what they wanted. The very reason that the AdWords/AdSense program is so successful is that it is often just as relevant as the site's content. Since it is contemporaneous with the search which the site's content is not the AdSense is often more relevant.

Searchers should be given some credit for knowing that the search text they sought is indeed somewhere on the page. If they are so impulsive that they click on the first thing they see they are not being very thoughtful anyway. But who's to say that the first thing they see may not be exactly what they want? If AdSense is doing its job then that is the case.
The comment I made about it starting way down the page was about a design flaw in the website, not about having adsense in a website and purposely having the content start way below the links.

But that brings up a good point. If you are building for adsense, then you are placing it so that readers will click the links instead of actually reading your content. Exactly the point janeth was making earlier and I supported.

People who build strictly for adsense are always defending their content or relevancy. Not sure why. If you build to get adsense clicks then thats the business you are in.

In addition to that though I always love the "I'm helping users find what they want" argument adsense priority website owners use to defend the practice.

What you have become is a middleman if you are building made for adsense websites.

You are arguing that you are helping the searcher find what they want, yet if your page didn't exist at all a relevant website with the content they were searching for would have been found in your place and the searcher would have found what they wanted without paying the middleman.

I'm not telling anyone what business to be in nor condemning anyone's business plan, but call a spade a spade and please don't claim you are helping searchers find relevant content when you are primarily focused on getting adsense clicks.

It insults everyone's intelligence to make that claim. If you are in business to make adsense clicks, then be in business to make adsense clicks.

Informational sites that also use adsense are not "made for adsense" websites and its there to recoup the cost and time of running the site. Nothing wrong with that either.

I agree that its a traffic hole for people who sell product though.
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Mike, you posted points on somebody asking you if "they can place an ad on your site" in which a return is made "An unknown sum"

You can't make those types of comparatives. Google's java scipt is sensitive to every page topic, and GOOG pays on time.
Well, make no mistake, I made no claims whatsoever about Google's ability, capacity, or tendency to pay people.

I simply observed that it is a fairly unique arrangement in the business world wherein a 'percentage' is paid without the partner wanting - or requiring- to know WHAT percentage of WHAT amount.

That's all I said. It has nothing at all to do with java script.

And just for the sake of clarity... I'm not knocking AdSense, people that use AdSense, or Google. I'm just saying it's an odd arrangement.
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but call a spade a spade and please don't claim you are helping searchers find relevant content when you are primarily focused on getting adsense clicks.

It insults everyone's intelligence to make that claim.
Well no, it is an insult to claim that a web site cannot do both. But it is more an insult to the searcher than to the site or to AdSense since laughing all the way to the bank is some consolation.

I'm confident that my site helps a lot a people and also pleased with my income from it. Perhaps that what bothers you.

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You don't bother me at all, whether you make money or not Andilinks.

I'm just saying if you are in the business of making money from adsense clicks then say it. All the flowery stuff about being helpful is just well, lets say a smokescreen while you laugh your way to the bank.

Again, not condemning you for doing it at all. Whatever floats your boat.

But, in my opinion you aren't improving people's searching experience, you are getting them to click as many adsense buttons as you can to make money. More power to ya.
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Folks, when Google released Adsense and I could read that people are making money with it, I had similar considerations as all of you described above. I don't want to say that I am smarter but I have abandoned that idea RIGHT AWAY and did not waste my time. Real money are made only when you successfully and repeatedly sell your product, not when your customer clicks on the links to ourside vendors. It is so clear!
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W3 Schools is a Norwegian Ad driven site that makes USD 1 mill / year on Affiliate links Ad and Google AdSense etc.

I am sure if the site had been US, it would have made USD 50 mill / year on Ad.

A Norwegian company that made radios, sound recorders and Tv's went bankrupt, even if their products were top rated technologically.

The new version of the company, a global leader in Visual Communication is successful in CyberSpace.

Understanding Branding and Ad is not easier in cyberspace.
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All you Seo or web marketers know. You'll do whatever works. Some methods work sometimes. google dancing assures no method works all the time. Build a perfect site works right? Nope. Somehow a scraper site ends up at the top of the SERPS.

So Adsense. Do whatever works for you. Janeth came to a personal realization of what works for her. And she shared it. That is generous. She even acknowledged where she may have overstated her case a bit. Humble. Then she stated her income from the web and I teared up.

As for me, at the moment i am just jealous. And I would try any sensible method that allowed me to work at home making an income from the internet. And I am happy to consider heavily the ideas of generous humble rich people. ;)
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>>W3 Schools is a Norwegian Ad driven site that makes USD 1 mill / year on Affiliate links Ad and Google AdSense etc. I am sure if the site had been US, it would have made USD 50 mill / year on Ad. <<<

Oh, yes... $500,000,000... Good luck.
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Real money are made only when you successfully and repeatedly sell your product, not when your customer clicks on the links to ourside vendors. It is so clear!
Do you mean that Ad is not a product? What is the difference between Ad that we view on Tv or in a magazine and on a website (with heavy traffic)?
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Great post! I've often wondered why people would put up Adsense ads when they could be making a lot more money if they thought outside the box.

By this I mean used their website or blog empty spaces(especially if it's popular)and worked with companies that complement their businesses.

I mean really how hard is it to write a review and/or have a review page with an affiliate text link if you want to make money.

If your site has great content with a worthwhile product, then naturally the people visiting your site are going to correctly assume what you review must be good also.
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http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Google..._adsense_money , here I posted my experience where google was robbing my money silently.

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Color me confused but....


If you are selling something, why would want any advertising from a competitor?

We sell Body jewelry... more or less.

WHY WHY WHY would I want a competitor on my site where my potential customer may say..."hey, let me try that one instead." Did I come down with the last drop of rain?

Unless I have it backwards, all adwords on site are links to the same or related industries. Its not like I can have adwords for say..... "Red Bull power drink by the keg." or "Learn to yarn." Am I wrong?

I have to agree with Janeth... Let me sell my stuff the best way I can. It might not be the greatest, and I am sure someone can do better, but until then, I want to be the driver of my carriage!

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http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Google_might_be_robbing_your_adsense_money , here I posted my experience where google was robbing my money silently.

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"There was a big bug, my adsense ID was missing.

google_ad_client = AdSenseAPIID;
google_ad_width = 120;
google_ad_height = 240;
google_ad_format = "120x240_as";
google_ad_type = "text_image";
google_ad_channel =AdSenseChannelID;
google_color_border = "FFFFFF";
google_color_bg = "FFFFFF";
google_color_link = "0000FF";
google_color_url = "008000";
google_color_text = "000000";

Look at google_ad_client = AdSenseAPIID; and google_ad_channel =AdSenseChannelID;

This is surely a bug introduced by one of Hedir developers. Here Google is acting smart and is still showing the ad to the users. Google earn money but you do not. Due to the proper display programmers might have missed this bug. Is it fair for Google to still show the adsense without adsense ID. I think this is mere robbing. Will a webmaster allowed google to show adsense of his/her website without adsenseID, if not why is then Google showing it?"
Source: Google might be robbing your adsense money

Have you contacted Google and asked why it is so? I get answers from Google the same day or the next if I have a question.

I see one argument for it. It is up to the webmaster to copy and paste the correct code. How is it possible to get that wrong? (Preferably it should be encrypted like affiliate links from CJ). If the Ad is not shown without your AdSense ID, there will be a blank space on your site.

A more serious aspect is that an intruder can change the code on your site to his own ID or another. But that is a very risky criminal activity.
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sammie rushes off to build a site full of crap, *whoosh* sammie's back, ok guys form an orderly queue, taking ya money as fast as i can, anyone wanna buy some crap while they wait?


great thread gotta love sis's addedsense of humor
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