From Position 29 to 685?

[nipplecharms1]

From Position 29 to 685?

Maybe this is a specific question to my site or maybe there is a broader something happening? If this is isolated, then it’s on me. If not, then I am interested in some feedback if anyone is game!

Last week I am at position 29 for body jewelry on Gozizzle. Today, low and behold, number 685. Does that qualify me for the loser of the week? Per VH1, this ain’t my “best week ever!”

And my back links have shrunk to 15 per http://www.googlerankings.com/index.php

I seem to be holding my own on other terms. But traffic last night was way down, like 60%.

I guess there is a question here somewhere. Not sure I am bright enough to even articulate it. Could the question simply be… WHY?

Waiter... Vodka tonic please... hold the tonic.

Michael

[Steven1976a]

I dont think your alone Michael. Maybe its just jewelry websites at the moment.
Hopefully give it a few days for whatever changes are going on and things will settle down.

We have had the same with a number of terms with the best example being "Body Jewelry Shopping" the name of our company that has been ranked no. 1 for a long time. Last week it completely went then it came back for two days this week and now its gone again.

[Steven1976a]

Another one that i have noticed in the jewelry industry is for another company (not us) called dhanish .com . They have been ranking well for silver jewelry for a long time (no 1 or 2) and now completely gone.

Lots and lots of new pages returned in the SERPS results Im noticing compared to last week. Dont know if all the new pages have anything to do with it

[nipplecharms1]

I also noticed that we were down yesterday over 500 hits from the day before. I ran some stats and we are still ranking ok on other terms.

Body Jewelry is not a big term for us.. yet.

Nice site Steven.

talk soon,

Michael

[freehits]

Steven what cart script are you using there. I like it. Is that the digishop script?

[whipnet]

I suffered the loss of backlinks, but no search engine rankings.

Not sure what g is doing.

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[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

From Position 29 to 685?

. Could the question simply be… WHY?

Waiter... Vodka tonic please... hold the tonic.

Sorry to hear that ... the only time I ever had such a drastic drop *seemed* to be related to bad neighborhoods ... I scrambled to try and figure out what happened, and while I was looking at the site I scoured the links directory. It was an old one with a client who doesn't like to spend money on link building, and I discovered some very bad neighborhoods and quite a few 404s ... I cleaned them all up and after the next crawl, shazam, reprieve ... I am just lucky the site wasn't banned, I suppose ... Nowadays, I won't take on a site that won't spend the money for reasonable off and on site SEO.

FWIW.

[craigmn3]

We have a website http://www.arthurspools.com , that for the last 3 years has been in the top ten of our very popular keyword "above ground pools". This weekend Google did one of their famous stirs and we dropped out completely. Gone, vanished like a fart in the wind. A Secondary page was still indexed at 30. But talk about google ire frying one's backside. Being a pool website in the middle of summer dropping into Google hell is pretty inflaming. The reason I am not wiping blood and tears from my monitor, and the purpose to this post is Dualism. Through careful construction and being sure not to repeat content (at least any that google could recognize with it's little spider......yeah I wanna squash that thing back to the main frame days) I have a second site. when Google killed my original site, it elevated my secondary site to the first page. CYA, my boss at k-mart used to call it. Cover your Assets.
The Only other option is to play the age old game....what does google want now? Look at your newly elevated competition and see what they have in common that you don't and OPTIMIZE!

[Heal3r]

Yah that sounds painful. Consider though that Google is constantly changing their ergo rythms. This is a potentially temporary abburration.
Fingers crossed.

[incrediblehelp]

Probably no reason to over analyze this situation. These "strange" things have been happening ever since Big Daddy was poured out. Loss of back link and major ranking fluxuations have been the tow biggest things just about everyone has been seeing.

Nipples have you been aquiring any new links over the past 4-5 months?

[smoothunit]

Have you added a Google sitemap lately? If so I would guess this is the problem. I ahve a site added a sitemap, all pages went away, along with my ranking. Took map off pages back and indexed in 3 days results back on page one. To make sure this was not a fluke, I added the site map back, lost all pages. Took it off, guess what? all pages back and indexed well. sitemap section showed no errors, belt or pins. I am on page one again, test over. Dump that baby as fast as you can. If need be you can hand submit your site through CEO.

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by smoothunit

Have you added a Google sitemap lately? If so I would guess this is the problem.

Not so fast. I have heard similar issues like that but have not seen any hardcore proof that GSitemaps is the issue.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by smoothunit

Have you added a Google sitemap lately? If so I would guess this is the problem. I ahve a site added a sitemap, all pages went away, along with my ranking. Took map off pages back and indexed in 3 days results back on page one. To make sure this was not a fluke, I added the site map back, lost all pages. Took it off, guess what? all pages back and indexed well. sitemap section showed no errors, belt or pins. I am on page one again, test over. Dump that baby as fast as you can. If need be you can hand submit your site through CEO.

I can't believe yours came back so fast. My UFO site (800+ pages) took months to get fully indexed again after I took the g sitemap off.

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[nipplecharms1]

Hi and thanks.

As far as MJTAYLOR - do you mean or suggest that I look at the sites on MY links page and make sure they are still good?

HOW do you tell bad neighborhoods?

Smoothunit.. yes and yes. I too had a goizzile site map, i lost some space, took it off, back to where I was.

JAAN - I do not recall any major additions of links, a few. I should write them down with dates. But I have had a number of new sites add our site (jewelry based) but I have not recipocated. I may have added my site to some of the directories that were posted on these boards.

My other major concern is the drop in visits. 500 yesterday and we are only going to do half of the day before.. one of our best days. But two days ago there was not one place the traffic came from.

Any other suggestions would be considered.

Michael

[smoothunit]

Nipplecharms I to had 11 links pulled by the Google, but had no effect on my ranking. Have you tried a Frappr? I started one got some people, joined some others, accounts for ten decent links. Relevant for the fact my friend Frappr map is an extention of what I do. Call for people with piercings, you will get tons from nipples, weiners, clits and more. Plus you can direct them right to your site to buy stuff. My frapper ranks 2 points higher then my home page.

[incrediblehelp]

Your link stagnation could be viewed as a bad thing. Usually great websites have new links coming in for them. I am guessing Google and other search engines rate websites using some sort of formula that can see when this occurs.

[Irishjim]

I'd get a paramedic in to tend to your metanames, nipplecharms.

You are definitely spamming the search engines with the word, "nipple," not to mention "piercing" and I'm surprised this hasn't caught up to you sooner. Threepeat is ok but more than that is a bit dangerous.

By the way, why do you block the source? Don't you know anyone who wants to can look it it by clicking view source at the top of the browser? What do you think you're protecting?

Anyway, good luck climbing back.

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

From Position 29 to 685?

Maybe this is a specific question to my site or maybe there is a broader something happening? If this is isolated, then it’s on me. If not, then I am interested in some feedback if anyone is game!

Last week I am at position 29 for body jewelry on Gozizzle. Today, low and behold, number 685. Does that qualify me for the loser of the week? Per VH1, this ain’t my “best week ever!”

And my back links have shrunk to 15 per http://www.googlerankings.com/index.php

I seem to be holding my own on other terms. But traffic last night was way down, like 60%.

I guess there is a question here somewhere. Not sure I am bright enough to even articulate it. Could the question simply be… WHY?

Waiter... Vodka tonic please... hold the tonic.

Michael

I have just tried with my site I have sitmaps ect
results dont make sense use http://www.sitereportcard.com It is much more accurate and tells you things about your pages that are usefull aswell.
www.ssrichardmontgomery.com

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

As far as MJTAYLOR - do you mean or suggest that I look at the sites on MY links page and make sure they are still good?

HOW do you tell bad neighborhoods?

Yes, I mean look at the outbound links on your site. Go to the sites you link to, and have a good look around ... especially look at where else they link.

One indication of a bad neighborhood is a site that has a grey PR bar, indicating that the page/site has been banned. Another indication is the company they keep ... or a site that is clearly just there for SEO. Links farms, scraper sites. Where do your link partners link? If they are linking to a PR grey site, I would probably remove my link to them even if they have great PR ...

This is a little off topic, but now that we are talking about links, my attitude toward PR has changed since the last Google update. A lot of indexed links pages received no PR ... unusual after a PR update. So, I am *more* interested in seeing PR on the site and pages than ever.

[RegDCP]

From a quick look at both body and pools I would guess that Google has tightened up its spam algorithms.
Looking at both sites they seem to be written for the search engines and not for humans.
Both sites have meta tags I would consider “spammy”.

How many times do we need to be told “nipple” or “pool,” in the body text?

IMO If you write for people instead of search engines, but consider what the search engines want in the way of formatting, you will have better luck.

Reg

[adamspt2]

I've noticed a huge drop in backlinks lately from about 100 to 4 on my website www.ukhoopsfans.com And depending on the day of the week, I tend either to be in the first page of results, or not in the top 100 results.

[bj]

LOL! I lost 41 links in google and my pagerank went UP a notch!

All my serps are pretty much where I expect them to be, very little movement. One that was #1 is now #2 and a sub link under it (and sublinks had disappeared from the serps for awhile.) Another that was #2 is now #1, one that was #4 is #3. Those are my three moneymakers. All in all, a net gain.

Do you have a blog on your site? If not, add one. Ping everyone and his brother (great list in wordpress support for this) and use technorati tags. And be religious about posting. It'll help turn you around.

[Sheezwack]

I have noticed we have lost about 60% of hits as well from the start of this month!

Yet at the start of this month google picked up backlinks that werent there before and we got some pagerank - so i assumed this month would increase.

Interestingly looking at the stats, the reason the hits are down is because of google images, normal google, msn, yahoo searches all increased slightly however google image searches reduced by 60%.

So you might want to check that, maybe google did something to google images which is effecting a lot of people.

[wman]

My site jjwatchrepair.com was the #1 rated site for the search term watch repair for the past 4 years all of a sudden it just fell off the map,something very interesting was pointed out to me, if you put the search term in quotations it then appears as the #1 site again. Also i have noticed that this has been happening to many watch repair sites,any info or insight would be appreciated and thank you for letting me join this fine forum.......

[carlitoshome]

Our site has to do with real estate , ranked pr5 and had 100 of pages indexed by Google.
Today we had two pages indexed and went from position 1 to 596.

[RegDCP]

wman, I think you fall into the same (spam), category.

If you look at your meta tags you have the word watch in there some 24 times and 30 times on your mainpage.

Reg

[juliemarg]

I may be extremely naive, but I was thinking traffic was down because of the nationwide heat wave. At home and at work the connection is very slow. Last night I watched a movie instead.

[wman]

i realize that , but according to the google guicelines and sitemap i am within the guidelines, i took off sitmap for now and will see what happens, i know i am not alone in this and can you explain when you use the search term "watch repair" in quotations the pages reverse back to what they were a week ago for everybody.......

[wman]

Another thing that i have noticed is whrn you look at a cache of my page non of the relevant keywords are highlighted anymore..I would love to know the reason for that any info would be appreciated......thank you ...jeff

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by carlitoshome

Our site has to do with real estate , ranked pr5 and had 100 of pages indexed by Google.
Today we had two pages indexed and went from position 1 to 596.

If it is about the page http://www.baltimorehudhomes.com it contains too many URLs. Your web page contains 314 urls. Search Engines can have problems with more than 100 urls on a page.

Also you have endless of Meta Tags which are totally redudant.

[nipplecharms1]

Thanks Chris! I think everyone can use some of the great advice here.

I dont know even where to start..... thanks all. If I have specific questions I will post them.

Site looks like traffic is somewhat back to normal so here's hoping.

what a great forum.

My best to all,

Michael

[Blayne]

Maybe it is Jewelry sites. After top 10-20 for years gone like the wind and some really non related sites coming up. However if you check your cache last cache here was Jul 19th which used to be cached every couple days or so. Things may turn around once the shuffle is done and they re-cache

Blayne
wholesalesilver.safeshopper.com

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by wman

Another thing that i have noticed is whrn you look at a cache of my page non of the relevant keywords are highlighted anymore..I would love to know the reason for that any info would be appreciated......thank you ...jeff

The highlights show when I look at the cache after doing a search for "watch repair" - perhaps you were looking at the cache on the Google Toolbar?

It has always been easier to get ranked for a search term in quotation marks, as that limits the search to pages where those words are side by side. Without the quotation marks, the SE is looking for a page that is relevant to those terms individually, as such, and not necessarily contiguous.

FWIW. MJ

[Blayne]

Just as a grin. I used to rate 2 or 3 for wholesale sterling chain for as long as I can remember however look what is in the top ten now. TRASH....

http://www.998guide.com/rss/silver.html

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by Steven1976a

Another one that i have noticed in the jewelry industry is for another company (not us) called dhanish .com . They have been ranking well for silver jewelry for a long time (no 1 or 2) and now completely gone.

Lots and lots of new pages returned in the SERPS results Im noticing compared to last week. Dont know if all the new pages have anything to do with it

Google appears to be use a heavy "age" weight in their algo. It appears to be calculated from the age of the site and age of domain. The age factor is more like a filter. Not a ranking factor. One thing to understand. An old domain is not going to make you rank higher. So you can't go out and buy an old domain, spam it up and expect to get rich. Also, the age factor may help your trust rank score.

I believe google is using an age filter to combat spam and lessen volatility in the rankings.

So that's why I believe some sites that have been been page #1 for years suddenly disappear. Google takes away their trust rank and they have to sink or swim on the quality of the site.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Thanks Chris! I think everyone can use some of the great advice here.

I dont know even where to start..... thanks all. If I have specific questions I will post them.

Site looks like traffic is somewhat back to normal so here's hoping.

what a great forum.

My best to all,

Michael

Nipplecharms,

Google results can be quirky and the results vary across the datcenters. Try to note the ip of where you are ranking well and ranking poorly. Also note the number of results that are being displayed.

I use the below tool to check across the datacenters
http://www.mcdar.net/dance/index.php

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

HOW do you tell bad neighborhoods?

Webnauts has recommended this tool.
http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

Webnauts has recommended this tool.
http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/

thanks ScanMonkey... I am trying that site now. But hell..we are NOT a family friendly site at all. I would not want kids on our site period. I would not want some adults there either! We are not bad but we do show more PG-13 and do have some R rated words.

Still scanning so I will report back.

Thanks all,

Michael

[Steven1976a]

I think what we can all agree from the thread is that there is a definate shift in the way google is ranking.

Scan monkey mentions that he believes that maybe the age factor is going away and the site that i mentioned dhanish has dropped due to spammy techniques.

I constantly enjoy taking a look at Dhanish as I feel they are well ahead of the field in Asia. They constantly update their site or at least their homepage once a month with fresh content.

Im quite sure they have fresh links all the time as they are based in Asia and it is affordable to have updated link exchanges running all the time.

What would the spammy techniques that they use or indeed our site use to be classes as spammy? Constructive question by me not a protective one by the way. Just want to get to the bottom of this!!

[Steven1976a]

If a big update is in place how long after does someone like Matt Cutts usually post about it?

[DomainDrivers]

I just posted on this same subject in LED Digest...

I did some close examination of the back link profile for www.jjwatchrepair.com It revealed situations that I have observed before, but may becoming more prevalent.


My primary advice is to begin a program of earning editorially-reviewed, subject-relevant back links from sites that are in his realm of interest, and keep doing it indefinitely. That is fashion/jewelry.

Second, why are gambling sites in your link directory??????????????????????? Get rid of them. Now.

I don't want to make assumptions about how the link popularity for the site was established, as I don't know. But a close review of the current backlinks (using LinkSurvey.com) does indicate that many of the links are coming from the type of sites that are under close scrutiny by Google. That is, sites with no content value, massive numbers of outbound irrelevant links, and little or no link popularity of their own. Again, it may not have been due to action on the part of jjwatcrepair to get these links, but they are there.


These are commonly known as scraper/text ad sites, and they are built only for the purposes of selling direct paid text ads and AdSense ads. Curiously, even the urls from these kinds of sites indicate what they are, as compared to other types of links. Visiting them confirms it.


It's not stretch to claim that these are the kinds of sites that have been specifically targeted by Google. The worst examples now show public service ads in the AdSense positions, meaning that Google has likely taken some kind of preventative action against the site.


Many sites inadvertently end up with links coming from these sites due to the "scraping" of search results from genuine search engines, or they may have purchased links through a text ad link broker, or submitted to one of the many "free directories", and those directories use the submissions as content on a "family" of sites. The only real consequence is that, if a site once relied on links from such sites for a boost in free search results, those links may no longer be of any value at all. It's probably just link nullification, and not penalization, otherwise, sabotage would be rampant.


As Google finds these families of sites, they get nullified. So what can appear to be an algorithm change is merely the effect of localized link nullification, carried out across a series of suspect "family" sites that may use common markers in their site structure. An AdSense violator may well run hundreds of these sites, thus providing Google with easy identification of the domains. Any site relying on links from that family get nullified, and that may affect their rankings, if there are not many other links supporting the site.


Am I speculating? Yes. But it is speculation based upon what Google representatives have said, as well as their webmaster guidelines, and what I see happening in real search results. It's just my take on this.


The best advice it to set about to get links from sites that have real content, a legitimate reason to exist beyond just running ads, decent link popularity from other relevant sites, and responsible outbound linking policies. This constitutes a link from a trustworthy site, and it will convey genuine link popularity that counts. You may have to reciprocate to get such links, or, in some cases, maybe not. Reciprocation is not the issue. It is the type of site that matters.


It also explains why sites who have reciprocated responsibly within their realm continue to do well. Those sites have links to and from other legitimate sites that practice genuine editorial review and community involvement. That's just the kind of thing that the Web was built on, and that's what Google rewards.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by Steven1976a

Scan monkey mentions that he believes that maybe the age factor is going away and the site that i mentioned dhanish has dropped due to spammy techniques.

The age factor is still there and strong. I think what happens is the trusted sites have their "trust rank" reviewed after a couple of years. Then the trust rank is either extended or removed. So I speculate, that's why some some sites continue to rank well even though they haven't kept up on the seo and suddenly drop off the face of the planet.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

thanks ScanMonkey... I am trying that site now. But hell..we are NOT a family friendly site at all. I would not want kids on our site period. I would not want some adults there either! We are not bad but we do show more PG-13 and do have some R rated words.
Michael

Nipplecharms,
Please review the link you have to linkdatabase.com It doesn't smell kosher and could be found offensive. I would get rid of it.

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

Nipplecharms,
Please review the link you have to linkdatabase.com It doesn't smell kosher and could be found offensive. I would get rid of it.

do you mean the link on my site or my link on there site. Not sure I can do the latter, I only have contol of the former.

also the other link http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/ hung when I tried my index page to scan. Any ideas?

thanks Monkey and everyone else! :)

Michael

[victorysprings]

Hi all, though not being an internet expert, I see that you are in the retail industry and that is something I know something about.
With your traffic, you do need to recognize what is going on with the consumer....
This time of year, we always suffer a downturn in traffic and sales. That is due to the "back to school" dilema for most people. And it doesn't seem to matter what industry you are in regarding consumer sales.
Expect your rank, visitors and sales to be sluggish during this time each year.
Once they are back in school however, the traffic returns.
Let's hope this is the case for you as well.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

do you mean the link on my site or my link on there site. Not sure I can do the latter, I only have contol of the former.

also the other link http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/ hung when I tried my index page to scan. Any ideas?

thanks Monkey and everyone else! :)
Michael

nipplecharms,
It doesn't matter so much who links to you. It more important who you link to. I would remove linkdatabase.com Replace it with a couple of quality links.

http://www.bad-neighborhood.com seems to be going slow. They must be getting a lot of traffic.

[balidog]

We had the same problem, but we are related to dogs, not jewelry.
From 45 backlinks we went down to 31.
What's strange, our Alexa links increased nearly 40%, from 170 to 288.
We did not add any link-exchanges since about 6 months.

Why Alexa is so high, and google drops down?

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by balidog

We had the same problem, but we are related to dogs, not jewelry.
From 45 backlinks we went down to 31.
What's strange, our Alexa links increased nearly 40%, from 170 to 288.
We did not add any link-exchanges since about 6 months.

Why Alexa is so high, and google drops down?

Google only provides a sampling of your backlinks. Do a search on yahoo or msn to get a more accurate count.

[nipplecharms1]

this should be a new thread and if it is someone can move it....

Does anyone have a good peice of software (read:free or inexpensive) that can help you track your outbound links and make sure they are still there and maybe the 'hood thing?

I am shre they are out there but what are the better ones? Maybe that will help at least mediagate the decline in position.

thanks.

Thanks ScanMonkey... link removed!

michael

[scanmonkey]

http://www.linkhounds.com/link-harvester/backlinks.php

http://www.links-reciprocos.com