From Position 29 to 685?

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by balidog

We had the same problem, but we are related to dogs, not jewelry.
From 45 backlinks we went down to 31.
What's strange, our Alexa links increased nearly 40%, from 170 to 288.
We did not add any link-exchanges since about 6 months.

Why Alexa is so high, and google drops down?

I *think* I know ... but little is really known when it comes to *G*; all we can do is deduce. So, let me think outloud for you.

I am the webmaster/SEO consultant for about 20 or so sites, most of whom have strong, effective recip link programs, I noticed during the recent Google PR update that some links pages which had been crawled and indexed since the last update did not receive PR on this round -- as might be expected if past experience predicts. It does not.

Some of my new pages did indeed, get PR, though - and I do see some patterns there, but that is another topic for another thread, I think.)

What seems likely to me is that Google downgraded some pages - on my main site a couple of my PR5 links pages, for example, are now only PR4 ... so the backlinks that are being reported on Google may be reduced if incoming link pages have dropped in PR.

As someone else mentioned, Google doesn't show all your backlinks, but if it's showing a reduced number, I think it's fairly safe to opine that it no longer *counts* some of the backlinks you still have.

Alexa (and Yahoo!) apparently continue to catalog and report backlinks without filter or judgment.

Relevance of backlinks - and a scrutiny of partners for 'bad neighborhoods' - becomes more and more important. I have said before, and I will say again: relevant, reciprocal links will always be valuable because they do drive targeted traffic.

JMHO, MJ

[Web-Weaver]

Originally Posted by Blayne

Maybe it is Jewelry sites. After top 10-20 for years gone like the wind and some really non related sites coming up. However if you check your cache last cache here was Jul 19th which used to be cached every couple days or so. Things may turn around once the shuffle is done and they re-cache

Blayne
wholesalesilver.safeshopper.com

I would speculate that this dance definitely has something to do with specific keywords, one of which is "jewelry". One of my sites, Solstice Glass, was ranked #1 for "Glass Jewelry" for several years and as of several days ago I'm not even in the top 200 for that keyword. All the rest of my best keywords are still right where they were in the top 5 positions though so the only thing that has suffered at all is the "jewelry" related key phrase.

[Web-Weaver]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Does anyone have a good peice of software (read:free or inexpensive) that can help you track your outbound links and make sure they are still there and maybe the 'hood thing?

My favorite is Advanced Link Manager. It's $60 but so well put together and easy to use with many graphs and reports to help you chart your links over time.

[dann]

nipplecharms1, you could try this it shows all of your links and checks for broken ones. You have to check each page that has links you are concerned about but the way it is set up its pretty easy and FREE.
http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/index.php?
Make sure to check both boxes.
Dan

[wman]

Domain Drivers thank you for the advice i will remove the gambling sites from my links as you can see i do list them in the general websites list, also i removed google sitemaps from my website and i am now up to position # 22 for my relevant search term watch repair,although not back to #1 alot better than not being found at all .....thank you wman

[Steven1976a]

Our site has come back for results which we had totally dropped on such as

Body Jewelry Shopping
Wholesale body jewelry
wholesale body jewellery

Im still noticing the amount of pages indexed in googles database is changing a lot each day.

Anyone elses results come back yet??

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by Steven1976a

Anyone elses results come back yet??

They come and go and come back again. This is the way it is on Google now. Like it or not.

[Web-Weaver]

Originally Posted by Steven1976a

Anyone elses results come back yet??

I'm back from off the charts to #76. Maybe it'll be back to #1 in a day or two. Guess you can never get too anxious with Google until you wait a week or so and see where you land.

[nipplecharms1]

Thanks all. I have and will continue to use your suggestions. God I love this site!!

Jaan, I have noticed more and more comments, here and in other threads, concerning the use, misuses, underused... of google's site map.

Any empirical data out yet that you or others have seen to indicate there is a problem or something (something is an industry term) with this process(es)?

Just a thought.

Michael

PS, I do not link to any gambling sites period, although for some reason, some have linked to me and often show up as inbound links in Alexa. Go figure! m

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Any empirical data out yet that you or others have seen to indicate there is a problem or something (something is an industry term) with this process(es)?

No real proof yet, but if I find any I will surely post it on WPW.

[Pascal77]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

They come and go and come back again. This is the way it is on Google now. Like it or not.

Yup, and the times between coming and going are sometimes a week, sometimes a 1/2 year.

They lost control over their SE. There's no reason to flip the results every week for the biggest SE. If a site is ranking at position 5 and a week later 500 then there's not much you can do about it. And if you do something then it's possible you're doing something wrong. If you were ranking at 5 you did something wright so when changing your site you're probably doing it wrong.

If Goog drops you out then you can nothing do to come back. Nothing.

[nipplecharms1]

From the news you can use department...

Today, 7/29/06, 11:42PM EST

http://www.googlerankings.com/index.php

Searched the top 1,000 sites.. And the winner is...

Keyword: body jewelry URL Pattern: www.nipplecharms.com


Querying Google. Please be patient...
| 0 | 1000

Sorry, Your site was not within the ranks in Goizzle™'s results.

And I thought this $hit was easy! LOLOLOLOL

Every day is a holiday, here at Goizzle central!

Tomorrow is another day... No more little sayings ok!

Michael

[SeoMasta]

this happens a lot

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by SeoMasta

this happens a lot

Appears so. 7/30/06 9:03EST

#34 for body jewelry.

Go figure. I qwwitt!

sqwwie wabbit! :)

Michael

[scanmonkey]

I found http://www.nipplecharms.com/ #31 on google IP http://64.233.161.104

ALWAYS REMEBER that the results vary across the data centers

When you are checking yor results note the following
1) Number of results in index
2) IP of datacenter

A couple of reasons you will see different results are
(1) Index update (results)
(2) Algorithm tweak or test

Remember not to put all your eggs in the google basket. Add links where somebody may buy your product. Don't link for gogle, link for sales.

I good market for "body jewelery" is the myspace crowd. Industrial/Underground music sites could bring some traffic.

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

I found http://www.nipplecharms.com/ #31 on google IP http://64.233.161.104

ALWAYS REMEBER that the results vary across the data centers

When you are checking yor results note the following
1) Number of results in index
2) IP of datacenter

A couple of reasons you will see different results are
(1) Index update (results)
(2) Algorithm tweak or test

Remember not to put all your eggs in the google basket. Add links where somebody may buy your product. Don't link for gogle, link for sales.

I good market for "body jewelry" is the myspace crowd. Industrial/Underground music sites could bring some traffic.

God Bless you Monkey and may all you children be male! (Ok, showing my age and heritage and NO its not sexist!)

I try and do that. I wish we were better with Yahizzle but I cannot make that engine work for us at all.

Not sure how to get into the myspace... space. Suggestions.. anyone, anyone, bueller?

We do a lot of cross linking with like sites, swinger sites, toy sites, fetish sites where they allow us.. other ideas? I will try the music sites. never thought of them, thanks.

How do you know the DC IP address? what does the number of ranked pages have to do with it? I have noticed that range on Body Jewelry is anywhere from 60 million to 90 million pages.

I guess being #31 "ain't bad" out of that many.. but how goes to page 4?

Thanks again for your thoughts.

Michael

[wman]

Just to gine everyone a update, it has been 4 days since i took sitemaps off my website jjwatchrepair.com and to my surprise i am again#1 for the search term watch repair for today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring in terms of google, there really should be a way of getting in touch with them to find out what the heck is going on with them.....wman

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Not sure how to get into the myspace... space. Suggestions.. anyone, anyone, bueller?

Myspace is big. You can get your own homepage and then post ads on your friends sites. They even have classifieds for jewelery

Check this page out. These myspace people are your target market.

http://www.myspace.com/vodk4lush

I would make a myspace page and invite my friends to post pictures of themselves wearing body jewlery and nipplecharms.

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

We do a lot of cross linking with like sites, swinger sites, toy sites, fetish sites where they allow us.. other ideas? I will try the music sites. never thought of them, thanks.

Underground / industrial / gothic

I found a link page example here
http://pages.cthome.net/bloodmachine/artists.html

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

How do you know the DC IP address? what does the number of ranked pages have to do with it? I have noticed that range on Body Jewelry is anywhere from 60 million to 90 million pages.

Click on cached to get the IP. Results is how many pages are in the index for that search term.
I try and do that. I wish we were better with Yahizzle but I cannot make that engine work for us at all.

[Web-Weaver]

Originally Posted by wman

Just to gine everyone a update, it has been 4 days since i took sitemaps off my website jjwatchrepair.com and to my surprise i am again#1 for the search term watch repair for today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring in terms of google, there really should be a way of getting in touch with them to find out what the heck is going on with them.....wman

I arrived back at #1 for Glass Jewelry today too. And I didn't do anything to reoptimize or take down my site map or anything. Just another one of those Google stunts that give us all temporary indigestion and cause us to waste time on forums trying to diagnose what went wrong. Every time it happens I promise myself I won't even think about it until it has been over a month...but every time I seem to get all sucked into the forum debates again.

Okay, I'll admit it...the one thing I DID do was repost my Adword campaign for Glass Jewelry. But it's comin' down now! ;-)

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[scanmonkey]

Hey Nipplecharms,

I don't have a myspace account cause my clientle is not over there. I'm looking it over and I see there is an add comments at the bottom of comments and an invite tab on top. It looks kind of like a pyrimad scheme.

From what I heard myspace has more traffic than google. It's not really commercialized. But I see a lot of bands doing promotion there.

I did a search for industrial link exchanges on goggle and lots of results