Google is doing a Pagerank Update

scanmonkey · #1 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006, 06:07 AM

http://www.seofeed.com/ is reporting that Google is doing a Pagerank Update; but, I don't see any changes.

build-reciprocal-links · #2 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006, 07:50 AM

Yes,

seems like true. I noted difference in ranking on certain keywords for my sites.

I think pagerank update is going on.

**crankydave** · #3 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

http://www.seofeed.com/ is reporting that Google is doing a Pagerank Update; but, I don't see any changes.

I've been reading this in several places.

What little I see is pages which were not publically ranked as of yet, and pages that were erroneously ranked with the update around 04-04 are being ranked or corrected.

Dave

janeth · #4 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006, 09:32 PM

I agree with Dave,

My understanding is that Google updates backlinks before updating the tool bar. In most cases there maybe a couple weeks between the two.

I have not seen a backlink update.

Google may just be trying to fix old problems but at this time I don't think there is a tool bar update going on.

Just my two cents.

dartman · #5 (**permalink**) 07-02-2006, 01:34 AM

6/30/06

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

Why is anyone really concerned about PR anymore?

Why bother to look if not concerned.

scanmonkey · #6 (**permalink**) 07-02-2006, 01:46 AM

Dartman,
You are so right. It doesn't provide me any value. But a lot of people are still interested.

I guess it's like crack. Kind of hard to break the habit.

dartman · #7 (**permalink**) 07-02-2006, 02:03 AM

Don't know how accurate the PR results are but I'd guess that any part of a colored line is better then all white or grey for some sites. In our book it's all about serp.

greeneagle · #8 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 12:08 PM

Nothing here yet.

If anyone doesn't have a PR change reference page that has been established for months. I have one that dynamically updates Internet Marketing News that should go from PR0 to PR5 or 6 in the next Public PR update.

If anyone is interested just PM me and I'll send the link.

I am not sure why we have premature "conjectures" before an update, but it happens every time.

I agree that SERP is a better place to play and that PR may be better checked at the GOOGLE Directory at any given time.

Currently I am showing a solid PR5 there while my site is showing a PR4 in Public PR.

I already know where I am going.

You should also, if you are listed in the GOOGLE Directory. It's updated much more frequently than the Public PR green Bar.

Ken

dartman · #9 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 01:01 PM

I haven't looked at the G directory in quite some time. Seems most site descriptions are from dmoz. Joy.

greeneagle · #10 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 01:24 PM

dartman,

They definitely pull the descriptions from DMOZ. That's a flat out stated matter-of-fact. There's absolutely no doubt about that.

But the little green bars there are updated much more often than "Public PR" on GOOG's toolbar.

Even if there is not a "numerical advance", you can gage progress by watching shifting positions against competition (primary competition?) within the same PR level in their listings there.

This is another advantage of being listed in DMOZ.

I am not sure we ever really covered this issue in that light.

Ken

Pedro Monteiro · #11 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 09:01 PM

PR is only useful for sales purposes in my book.

dartman · #12 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 09:42 PM

I collaborated with a friend to do her website which has been live since April. Her site made pg 1 of msn, pg 55 of yahoo and nowhere on G. Up until 2 days ago none of her pages showed any PR then out of the blue she got several internal pages at PR2's and PR3 on the index page. Now 2 days later the PR's are back to 0. I presumed the PR update might have kicked in to finally show some PR. So now I'm wondering, where did the PR go. The only changes we made were to convert the pages to CSS a few weeks ago and each page is W3C compliant. There are about 8 or so IBL - all from product relevant sites with good PR (4's and 5's) to include links from the #1 serp site. Any thoughts on where the PR went?

**jawn_tech** · #13 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 10:23 PM

I'm going to use my old metaphor which still seems true today.

PR is the oil light in your car. If it suddenly goes on, (or in PR's case, out altogether) one better check the dipstick. (serps). If serps still check out good, it's just something goofy going on with the oil light.

I know that's not what it was designed for, but the metaphor still seems to fit.

scanmonkey · #14 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 10:44 PM

Dartman,

Check your site using the below tool. It shows PR and backlink across numerous datacenters. What datacenter were you showing PR on?

http://www.linkadage.com/linkadage-i...cs_checker.htm

scanmonkey · #15 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawn_tech

I'm going to use my old metaphor which still seems true today.

PR is the oil light in your car. If it suddenly goes on, (or in PR's case, out altogether) one better check the dipstick. (serps). If serps still check out good, it's just something goofy going on with the oil light.

I know that's not what it was designed for, but the metaphor still seems to fit.

That's probably the only thing PR is useful for, other than selling links.

dartman · #16 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

Dartman, Check your site using the below tool. It shows PR and backlink across numerous datacenters. What datacenter were you showing PR on?

I didn't check the dc's at the time - just noticed positive PR's (2's and a 3) in the toolbar when I went thru the pages on Sat 7/1. According to the report below (run 7/3/06) there is no PR now according to the dc's reporting. So either the toolbar was fluked or something changed at the big G in the past 48 hrs. This is not My site but one I have been helping with. There are no serps yet for this site and I doubt there will be any until some PR is attained. The product category is beaded jewelry (very competitive). Any guesses?

scanmonkey · #17 (**permalink**) 07-04-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crankydave

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

http://www.seofeed.com/ is reporting that Google is doing a Pagerank Update; but, I don't see any changes.

I've been reading this in several places.

What little I see is pages which were not publically ranked as of yet, and pages that were erroneously ranked with the update around 04-04 are being ranked or corrected.

Dave

It may be that a PR Update is not taking place but rather what crankydave has alluded to.

dartman · #18 (**permalink**) 07-04-2006, 12:46 AM

That wouldn't explain the flash of PR for 2 days and then back to 0. The site went live in April and has yet to draw any PR (except for the 2 days I previously mentioned). Seems strange but that's nothing new when it comes to the G.

**crankydave** · #19 (**permalink**) 07-04-2006, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman

That wouldn't explain the flash of PR for 2 days and then back to 0. The site went live in April and has yet to draw any PR (except for the 2 days I previously mentioned). Seems strange but that's nothing new when it comes to the G.

Not really. Let's suppose for a minute that "Big Dud" has a difficult time using previously (pre Big Dud) data and that it needs to fetch its' own data for it to be most accurate. Untill it's able to recrawl the entire web, coupled with all the other problems, could explain why were seeing nothing new along the "update" lines. My guess would be they're trying to get what they have working before they update it.

Dave

LinkMaster · #20 (**permalink**) 07-04-2006, 01:24 PM

False alarm. Please remove this thread.

virtualtraveller · #21 (**permalink**) 07-08-2006, 05:04 AM

Like it or not, lots of people still use PR as a yardstick of worthiness, especially when trading links and selling them. Certainly I wouldn't bother linking with someone who can only give me a link on a PR2 page, unless I was one of only 2/3 obls on the page and even then I wouldn't give him more than a PR3 page link in return - so yes PR can help.

The current update does seem consistent with the usual quarterly update, ie early Jan, April, July, Oct.

I have some new sites that I cannot start trading links on until they have PR, so, yes, a PR update is important to me. I have others that are only a year old and just starting to kick in and I have seen a sudden rise in traffic in the past week - related to better SERPs, but I doubt that a PR update and sudden SERPs rise are mutually related.

PR and links counted are constantly updated internally by Google I believe and gradually gain wait with quantity and age. I think the green bar is just updated quarterly to keep us all on our toes. Having said that I do notice SERPs jumps on a definite quarterly basis and this might be related to the large-scale algo changes that are usually put into effect on the dates mentioned above. The ones in September and April are usually the more severe (aka Jagger and Big Daddy).

Any thoughts?

greeneagle · #22 (**permalink**) 07-08-2006, 05:28 AM

virtualtraveler,

Oh, I definitely have some thoughts there!

The "Green Bar" in the Tool Bar is not reflective of current status!

One of the most important advantages of being listed in DMOZ is that "PR" (aka "Real PR") is updated much more often in the Google Directory at directory.google.com .

Anyone that relies on the Google Toolbar ("Public PR") either isn't listed in DMOZ, and subsequently, the Google Directory, or simply doesn't know better. That includes anyone looking to purchase links.

How does this whole link purchase game work if and when no one even knows where the real source of current PR is anyway?

Read this thread for a more graphic example:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=63968

Ken

**incrediblehelp** · #23 (**permalink**) 07-08-2006, 04:48 PM

The PageRank number on the toolbar is not in any way indicative of the real PageRank value your website has and is earning behind the scenes in Google.

You see fresh news stories get ranked all of the time for incredibly popular queries all of the time, but these pages have no toolbar PageRank. This is because the real PageRank is earned behind the scenes and calculated on the fly.

See this example:

2-3 news story websites ranking in the top ten for "