Blacklisted by Google?

[carbonize]

Ok Google used to visit my site regularly. I was getting over a hundred visits a month from them if not more. Now suddenly, since December, they have only been once. Any ideas on why I have been blacklisted?

Site is in signature.

[greeneagle]

They have slowed down on mine and all my clients too. It looks like they are querying last update from the server and depending more on "Fresh Material" from what I can tell. - - Taking on a more shark-like demeanor, quite a savings I imagine!

WiseNutBot (Looksmart) is beating them hand's down by a factor of 2 now on several sites I am watching. Just started happening in the last couple months.

"Turn" several several pages on a site and see if they smell fresh meat.

Ken

[drummin]

I wish I knew what was going on!!!!
I held the number two postion out of 4,200,00 results for my primary keyword for quite some time. Now I'm not listed, at least within the first hundred results. And the results being listed don't even match the keyword I'm searching for. This not only has hurt my business but it's pissing me off.
drummin

[carbonize]

I wonder if they are not punishing people for repetition of uncommon words, by common I mean and, the, if etc. This way they would be clamping down on keyword spamming. Thing is I don't keyword spam. Only word gets repeated a lot on my site is my moniker, Carbonize.

greeneagle your idea of them querying the server for last update wouldn't work as a lot of sites are database driven and so as far as the server is concerned the pages are rarely updated.

[greeneagle]

carbonize,

"Freshness of Content", is an all important alogrithm factor now. Here is what GOOGLE says about it:

Google Technical Guideline #3 on: http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Make sure your web server supports the If-Modified-Since HTTP header. This feature allows your web server to tell Google whether your content has changed since we last crawled your site. Supporting this feature saves you bandwidth and overhead.

The only other way would be to check for the:
<meta name="date" content="2003-11-27" />
and penalize if no changes had really occured.

"Freshness of Content" is becoming a very important factor, evidenced also by "rotting" Sites being penalized in rankings.
______________________________

Smoke this one in your pipe while you are thinking about that:

This weeks update I gained 1PR on 17 Primary Pages and 2PR on 7 secondary pages and have about 9-10% less traffic since!---- All without a single change on my site or adding another back link!
Ken

[carbonize]

But as I said a lot of sites now are database driven and so the actual pages themselves are hardly updated at all.

[carbonize]

OK I checked the headers my site was sending out and it was saying last updated in November. This is because I use a Blog on my main page and so never have to change the file. This is why I think this idea of only visiting updated sites is stupid. Hows does google get the header without requesting a page though? or does it not get sent the page if the file hasn't been updated?

Even weirder is the fact the index page has been updated recently due to my server being rooted and all index files changed. Very weird.

[greeneagle]

carbonize,

Google is doing something else for dynamically updated sites, but I haven't figured out what it is. - Go to any new thread on any forum here and you will find that it automatically gets a PR1.
Ken

[carbonize]

My sites not dynamic though. The format for the index page is Header - Blog - Footer. Only the blog part is dynamic.

[janeth]

Hi carbonize,

I know that Google follows the links so the more links pointing to your site the more often google will be on your site.

The drop could have been from a high pr site that removed your link or is set up now where the Google bot can not get to it from the main page.

[carbonize]

Could be but I doubt any high pr sites point to me lol. I've updated the file sby overwriting them with a copy of themselves and put in a spoofed <meta name="date" tag. It's just that 1 visit a month seems more like a ban than just a problem elsewhere. Lets shoot google x-(

[Pokeey]

Carbonize,

First off, hello. I am a new kid on the block.

Google has seemd to have shunned me also. GoogleBot was always at my site and the last several days the little critter has been nowhere to be seen.

Plus I lost all my top spot listings on three sites and my PR dropped on my www.digital-sales.com site!:(

I am hoping once the dance stops that things will return to normal, whatever that may be as long as I get my listings back!

[mm99]

What I have noticed over the past few (3 or 4) months is that sites that are heavily linked are not getting the attention they used to. Many people have observed goog spidering them all the time, simply because they have so many incomming links. Now they are hardly getting hit at all.

Perhaps googs is making notes of this and instead of wasting time hitting the same sites over and over, they're doing more productive things. In recent history, I have only had problems with 1 of my site, and it was no big deal. None of my sites are over linked. I tend to be conservative.

I mentioned it a couple of months ago, that I think goog is comming down on overlinked sites and that seems to be the case as far as I can see, even to the point that perhaps they're making notes and avoiding overlinked sites.

comment?

peace...Paul

[carbonize]

How can they chastise you for other people linking to you? They still need to visit the page to see if it's been updated and if your idea was correct you would still get your rating boosted for having people linking to you.

[carbonize]

Quick thought, could the problem just be that google has stopped identifying it's self as a bot and is hiding behind a standard browser HTTP string?

[mm99]

carbonize stated: "How can they chastise you for other people linking to you?". They don't. They NEVER do. They just are not following them like they used to. Energy conservation sort of thing I guess.

Linking with bad company is what is probably giving you problems.

In your original post you said that you felt you were blacklisted because they are not visiting you. Did you lose position? Or are you just feeling neglected because googs ism't visiting as often. There is a diff.

peace...Paul

[red]

Welcome to the forum Pokeey!

It seems to be anyone's guess as to what Google is "thinking" this past week or so.
I can certainly understand that things are in constant flux and never will stay the same. What I don't get is that some of us are being penalized when our inbound links are relevant, not excessive, content is fresh and relevant and there is no cloaking or spamming going on. I don't march to the beat of the Google drum. I try to optimize evenly and fairly and constantly write new, fresh content so that others stop by for a visit as well. The PR hasn't dropped on the site I am referring to (http://www.lockpickshop.com ) but my pages are now in a land far, far away...
I hope everything reverts to some sense of balance pretty soon here and that this is a temporary dilemma.

[Mel]

Hi Carbonize

looked at your carbonize site and see that although you are hosted on an apache server you are not returning a last modified date on your server header.

Google recommends that you do that as it allows them to issue if modified since GETS in order to spider only pages that have updated since their last visit.
I understand that your page is updated with a blog dynamically so that your file date never changes but just saving the page with a new filedate with be seen as a refreshed page if you have the IMS turned on.

http://www.markcarey.com/googleguy-s...ster-tips.html is a list of tips from GoogleGuy to get indexed better.

[carbonize]

I thought that but then noticed that my server was returning a leat-modified header for the css file. I'll speak to my host about it but it's very weird.