Google Vs Microsoft: Is Google On Top?

[gordon petten]

People have been saying for a time now that Google is trying to out do Microsoft with the new features Googles comming out with including Google Spreadsheet ect. Some people even say Microsoft is soon to be second to Google. But I say think everyone out there, use your noggins!

What does Microsoft have that Google doesn't or couldn't even live without (sorry Mac)? Windows! Internet Explorer! And if im not mistaking Google News uses a version of Windows Media Player to play its broadcasts!

Now I'm not saying Google is totaly worthless. I'm a website designer/search engine optimizer and I couldn't live without PageRank or my Gogle toolbar. My main page is even set to Google but to say that Google is driving Microsoft to an early grave is a load of rubbish. Until Google starts making everything from operating systems to gaming consoles than it will always be just a home page to me.

[sarpras]

In the internet field Google.com is very top. Google.com provide best service for internet user. In the computer field, I think microsoft is very strongest company.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by sarpras

In the internet field Google.com is very top. Google.com provide best service for internet user. In the computer field, I think microsoft is very strongest company.

Its apples to oranges.

Google isnt a software company. Yea yea spreadsheet woohoo. Just because they can make spreadsheet and googletalk doesnt even put them on the same level as MS.

Same goes for MS and SE technology. IMO Google much better but is new in the market. It will probably be easier for MS to catch up to Google than it will be for Google to catch MS.

Besides with as many Google bashers out there now the tide seems to have already turned to MS as the underdog. People cheering on MS...lol now thats funny isnt it?

DMC

DMC

[gordon petten]

when ms comes to se technology they are however trying to get better a recent news article read that ms is spending 2 billion this yeah to make their search engine better

[ctabuk]

From an SEO point of view, MSN is more accurate, and after being in forums for soooooo many years, I'd love to see Goog get a run for it's money. Revenge! I smell revenge.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

From an SEO point of view, MSN is more accurate.

I disagree. How is it better? I guess we could each throw out examples but it is all subjective.

I have seen results from both MSN and Google which make me hurl SEO chunks. But in the end Google is 47% of my traffic compared to a measily 12% from MSN.

[sarpras]

IN the point of SE, I think Google.com is Top.

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

I have seen results from both MSN and Google which make me hurl SEO chunks. But in the end Google is 47% of my traffic compared to a measily 12% from MSN.

Exactly how I feel.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

I disagree. How is it better? I guess we could each throw out examples but it is all subjective.

I have seen results from both MSN and Google which make me hurl SEO chunks. But in the end Google is 47% of my traffic compared to a measily 12% from MSN.

Hi, relevance of search term to result of search. It seems to me that if I search legal stuff (which I do in my job)then google is a total waste of time, whereas both MSN and Ask will provide me with accurate search results. Hence the SEO bit, or in other words the sites I search have been either optimised to produce the right result, or have been spidered to reveal the relevant search expressions.
Also, Google will favour .gov sites, regardless of how they have been optimised for seo, whereas, both MSN and Ask reveal better results. Try it.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Also, Google will favour .gov sites, regardless of how they have been optimised for seo,

The bias on the .gov sites brings a lot of irrelevant results when searching for services that happened to be mentioned on a .gov

[ctabuk]

So are you agreeing with my points or am I getting it wrong?

[greeneagle]

This is a pretty authoritive source and the article is current:
http://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_060525.pdf

Ken

[ctabuk]

Ken, that is not what we are saying, we know the stats, what we are asking is ' are search results relevant to the search term used' Sure Google gets the most searches, but is it accurate?
Jaan posted this in a similar post www.seobook.com/relevancy
Great stuff, in it it states that Gooog will always be more relevant than MSN or Yahoo, and here am I disagreeing, but only in so much as it disfunctional, search 'Right to Buy' on www.google.com
then www.google.co.uk - Wikipedia, which according to Aarons article will or should appear, it does on .com, not on UK, in both cases the .gov's do well, but then you will find UKMortgage on .com from Proviser in the top 5 - Why????????? Check it's tags, it stands against every tip, every peice of advice that we give here - so somebody - please explain why?

[greeneagle]

David,

I would think that as long as any SE is gaining public popularity usage YOY, they are doing something right for the "masses".

Webmasters are a very small but noisy contingent of the "masses"... that's all we are in the grand scheme.

Sure we all want to think that we count, but just how much do we?

Ken

[ctabuk]

Ok Ken and all, here is my simple question why is http://www.proviser.com/mortgage_cen..._to_buy.html?L
Number 3 on Google.com - I know the reason, it has massive links, but please somebody, just look at the tags and then explain to me -Why? We have we had bigdaddy and countless updates before and will have again, and still CRAP tags like that get listed. I'll keep posting this until I see some form of common sense replies, we either get to understand SEO for Google or Google is taking the urine from our bladders.

[Chris]

i'm not sure if gordon understands Google's mission. you are about the millionth person to use the Xbox defense, although I'm not sure what that has to w/anything. believe me, if Google wanted to make a console, i don't think they'd have much of a problem doing so.

as for operating systems, Google doesn't want that. they want you as an Internet user first and foremost.

[Seminole386]

What is relevant? Your traffic is a reflection of how you optimized your site. If you target Google you will get better results from Google. If you target MS or Yahoo then you will get better results from them. My sites bounce in and out of favor with Google but continue to rank will with MS and Yahoo. I admit when they rank will on Google my traffic jumps dramatically but a week or two later I am gone. I need a steady supply of traffic so I will continue to target MS and Yahoo.

[Pascal77]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

David,

I would think that as long as any SE is gaining public popularity usage YOY, they are doing something right for the "masses".
Ken

If you said 'did something right' i fully agree
(i voted for Google, i love lots off things off them but not the search results i'm seeing. Just spent 2 hours searching for a carpart and didn't find it. Tryed lots off SE's but only Google lead me to tons off irrelevant results and that costs time)

[nottheusual1]

Google is losing their luster. They were originally the place for everybody - geek or noob - to search the Web. That has since changed dramatically. Now, they seem to be morphing into "the place to find what our advertisers pay us to show you".

Result = Google search results are considerably less relevant, especially if you don't do advanced searches. How are they keeping their position? It's the default search of choice because "Internet" and "Google" are about 80% of the computer-eze many users know - they were able to do what AOL/Earthlink/etc. couldn't - they branded the Internet, and their brand is now a social lexicon.

It took years for AMD to chip away at Intel's market share, but they did. No matter how much you like/dislike Microsoft, they may be producing a better search engine product than Google, and the numbers will eventually reflect that. And they do have the $$$ staying power. And they are realizing that office suites and browsers are becoming so yesterday as revenue streams.

Search engines are just tools. It would be naive to think that anybody could possibly have the market cornered for any appreciable length of time. Even Google realizes that, evident with their move beyond search. Algorithms are algorithms, so the future will rely on how you can inject personalization into yours.

Look how the humble screwdriver has morphed over the past 15 years. Who'd a thunk-it?

10 years ago it was AltaVista. Today it's Google. Tomorrow it may be that start-up trying to make it's way thru 1st round funding that will kick all their collective butts. Like the old Google......

And then, $$$ will screw it all up again. Nobody seems immune. I'm sure not <<chuckle>>.

[David Blomstrom]

Any discussion of Microsoft vs Google is lost without touching on politics. Let's face it, many people love Google largely because it isn't Microsoft. In other words, people are fed up with corporate corruption, and M$ is one of the most reviled corporations around - and justifiably so.

But Bill Gates' disdain for ethics and the law cuts both ways. Though it gives him a black eye, it also buys favors in Congress. When the federal government began demanding private information and trade secrets from search engines, too few people asked what the government was REALLY after. How hard would it be for the federal government to steal some of Google's code, then turn around and hand it over to Google?

Similarly, I've noticed some really lopsided press lately. The corporate media are quick to jump on Google while largely ignoring Microsoft, which is far more corrupt.

Someone asked if Google deliberately targeted Microsoft, or if M$ simply was the first to draw blood. Let's face it, everyone knows Bill Gates is a shark. I think the folks at Goggle knew that Microsoft would use every dirty trick in the book to destroy them, so they decided to launch a pre-emptive strike. Rather than simply sit back and try to outcompete Microsoft, they launched several strategies designed to divert some of Microsoft's revenue. I think it was a great idea.

If we lived in a true democracy with an honest government, I'd put my money on Google. Unfortunately, I fear the extraordinary corruption in Washington, D.C. is going to once again rescue Microsoft from justice. Even if Google does come out on top, it may well be warped beyond recognition by the corrupt politicians who are making so many demands on it.

[zbikenut]

"I would think that as long as any SE is gaining public popularity usage YOY, they are doing something right for the "masses". "

Just because a search engine is growing more popular doesn't mean it is best. Many factors make something gain in popularity

Ease of use---Googles' deal with Dell to make their toolbar/search show up on all Dell computers---

Momentum--I seem to remember not too long ago when Yahoo was THE search. Wasn't Ask Jeeves a big player at one time?

Many times the Master becomes the Slave. IBM gave Microsoft, Intel and AMD their start--Which is bigger?

Didn't Aol give Google their start?

Zbikenut

[bj]

I think this whole discussion misses a few essential points. MS started life as basically a desktop opsys, and because of the MS corporate culture and its very Sun Tsu outlook toward competition, could not conceive of doing business any other way-- until Google entered the picture. Google, with their innovative ways of moving things off the desktop and onto web interfaces is challenging the MS way of doing things. Yes, comparing the two is apples and oranges in many ways, but not in all, since Google has made MS look hard at what is defining the future of computing, and that's the internet (providing our dear politicians don't sell it to the telecomms . . .)

Right now Google is the SE with market share. MS is the desktop OpSys, and also (unfortunately for standards compliant devs) the desktop browser with the most market share. But there are other aspects of the puzzle, like server opsys share (which I believe is Linux), the open source movement, other search engines, and different ways web applications are taking over for the desktop. Will who owns market share in these areas change in the future? Probably on all counts. How? If I knew that I'd be the next new billionaire.

[stretch dog]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

I have seen results from both MSN and Google which make me hurl SEO chunks.

Haha... i think you are quoting me from a post i made on another thread, except in my case it was my lunch i was hurling... lol.

;-)~~~~~~~

[stretch dog]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

why is http://www.proviser.com/mortgage_cen..._to_buy.html?L
Number 3 on Google.com... I know the reason, it has massive links, but please somebody, just look at the tags and then explain to me -Why?

I'll keep posting this until I see some form of common sense replies, we either get to understand SEO for Google or Google is taking the urine from our bladders.

Wow... I knew google SUCKED, but i didn't know they were taking urine from my bladder... LOL.

As for the site... i didn't read the content so i do not know if it is relevant or not, but it does have a ton of pages in good standing with google, you say it has a ton of inbounds links, and it carries a PR5.

Sure the tags are scrappy, but when did google begin penalizing for scrappy meta tags?

SD

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by stretch dog

Wow... I knew google SUCKED, but i didn't know they were taking urine from my bladder... LOL.

As for the site... i didn't read the content so i do not know if it is relevant or not, but it does have a ton of pages in good standing with google, you say it has a ton of inbounds links, and it carries a PR5.

Sure the tags are scrappy, but when did google begin penalizing for scrappy meta tags?

SD

Thanks, at least someone rose to the question. It is keyword stuffed with Spam Repeats - The keyword that it gets 3rd spot for is the same as mine 'Right to Buy' my site has been optimised to as close to perfection as is possible, it has fresh content daily, it has good IBL's with a lot of .govs and it way more accurate than this load of proviser garbage, yet I'm on page 3 and it's on page 1 - so I say - stuff google.

[greeneagle]

Welcome to WPW David:

"Let's face it, many people love Google largely because it isn't Microsoft. In other words, people are fed up with corporate corruption..."

For me it all comes down to who has really made more progress on the "productivity" front... That's where real value lies - IMO.

GOOG seems to be taking a step backward there lately.

Ken

[grosolo]

so far, operating systems have outlived websites. Most of the current hurdles for adoption of the os have been cleared and the land has been divided.

There are still seemingly, more hurdles for the adoption of a website. The hurdles also move around a bit (browsers, devices and connections speeds, user habits).

All things being equal between the two "companies", I still prefer to own the OS -even if the EU or US governments forced me to install a Google browser.

I'd quickly change my mind if Google were committed to the same levels of change the bill and melinda gates foundation targeted. Free desktops and widgets have never made powerful kung fu.

Will we need an OS in ten years? Will we need a Google?

-Brent

[stretch dog]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

It is keyword stuffed with Spam Repeats - The keyword that it gets 3rd spot for is the same as mine 'Right to Buy' my site has been optimised to as close to perfection as is possible, it has fresh content daily, it has good IBL's with a lot of .govs and it way more accurate than this load of proviser garbage, yet I'm on page 3 and it's on page 1 - so I say - stuff google.

If it makes you feel any better, the proviser site is 3rd page for the terms 'UK MORTGAGE' and 'UK MORTGAGES'... their two main target terms... which are the terms most spammed in their tags.

The term 'Right to Buy' on the other hand is not spammed at all... it appears once in the middle of the title tag, once in the first H1, 3 times spread througout the text block that is relevent to that particular term, and for what it is worth... its also the file name of the page.

'Right to Buy' is not a terribly competitive term for your industry... and a site with this many pages in good standing, all those links and a domain that has been registered for almost 9 years...

Record expires on 05-Jul-2008
Record created on 06-Jul-1997
Database last updated on 12-Jul-2005

...is bound to pick up position on such terms, in spite of spammy tags and things such as two H1's on the page, so long as its not spammy for that particular term... and this page isn't. In fact its optimized just about right for 'right to buy'.

I'll bet that "nine years" is longer established than 99.9% of the "one billion plus" sites google is serving up for the term 'Right to Buy'.

Just my thoughts... SD

[stretch dog]

ctabuk... which site of yours is on page three, cause i checked for both the sites in your sig for the term 'right to buy'... and i couldn't find either one in the top 300!

stretched and confused....
:-(~~~~~~~~~~

[pemburung]

Google is definitely on top; but it's not MSN but the searcher who is underneath.

And we all know what is happening to the person who's underneath....

[Hide]

Originally Posted by pemburung

Google is definitely on top; but it's not MSN but the searcher who is underneath.

And we all know what is happening to the person who's underneath....

I agree with this totally!!!!

[scanmonkey]

In my book they are running neck in neck for garbage results.

For the keyword I watch in goog, #1 and #2 are "Site Temporarily Disabled." and #9 is my old site that I haven't touched in two years.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by stretch dog

ctabuk... which site of yours is on page three, cause i checked for both the sites in your sig for the term 'right to buy'... and i couldn't find either one in the top 300!

stretched and confused....
:-(~~~~~~~~~~

No you are right, .co.uk 35 th on page 3 but .com has dropped me, teach me to express my feelings in open forum, but I'll PM you a secret. Thanks David

[pemburung]

ctabuk, no fair. Talk about creating buzz. Share!

I heard on the news that some guy uncovered a plot to blow up some school or something in Canada when he found the site while searching the web.

He was searching to find out how to remove tabasco sauce stains from bedsheets (let's not go there.)

Should we run a book on which SE it was?