Google Update, PageRank, Backlink Information

[mike]

Back in August 2004, WebProWorld Moderator jestep created this thread as a central place to ask questions about Google Updates, Page Rank and Backlinks. There is some Very Interesting information within this thread and more being added all of the time. It is Highly Recommended reading and of course you should Feel Free to ask questions of your own.

I have stickied the original post here and added links to a few key terms.

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.webproworld.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42200

jestep[/url]]
This thread was started to answer the many general questions, users have about Google and how it updates search results, [wiki]PageRank[/wiki], and backlink results. This thread also answers general questions about how Google displays [wiki]backlinks[/wiki].

Start here before you ask any questions about PageRank updating, backlink updating, or search result updating.


How often does Google update its search results?

Google updates its search results, also known as SERP's, continuously. This means that google changes the result pages as it spiders the web and finds new links and content.


How Often Does Google Update PageRank and Backlinks?

Google updates their Backlink results and PageRank results every 3 – 6 weeks.
The update usually begins on a weekend or a holiday and lasts for 3 – 4 days. It is very common to see different results across the different datacenters during this time. Also, if there are different results across google datacenters when searching for backlink results, this means that an update is in progress.
You can check the search results across [google]google datacenters[/google] here.
http://www.void.be/googletool.html


How often does Google dance?

Google does not dance anymore and has not danced for over a year. A google dance is a term referring to the way google used to update their SERP results, every 4 – 6 weeks. There was usually a massive change in the search results and the search results were generally unstable. Now google uses a continuously updating pattern so the results shown by google are much more stable than they once were.


Why doesn't google show all of the links to my site?

Google has always shown only a sample of the links coming into your site. These links are updated in the search results every 3 - 6 weeks. Even though google only shows a small sample, this does not mean that google doesn't count the other backlinks when displaying search results. Google updates its search result pages for standard searches continuously, and these search results take into account all links that google has found.

Click Here to for the Original Thread

[seo2india]

Good Info on google pr
Edited by Mod (greeneagle) Please refrain from posting an entire website's navigation bar in the future. Please note that it is also innapropiate to post the same post in multiple threads Thanks, Ken

[Webnauts]

GOOGLE PR UPDATE RUNNING!!!

We got for older and brand new pages PR 7!!!

[Webnauts]

I didn't check all pages yet, but so far...

My brand new pages which had PR 0 have now:

www.webnauts.net/webceo.html PR 5
www.webnauts.net/resources.html PR 6
www.webnauts.net/resources.xml PR 6
www.webnauts.net/accessibility-testing.html PR 6
www.webnauts.net/seo.html PR 6
www.webnauts.net/about-us.html PR 6
www.webnauts.net/academy/enroll.html PR 6
http://www.webnauts.net/academy/onsi...g-seminar.html PR 6
www.webnauts.net/accessibility-need.html PR7

Older pages for P6 to PR7:
www.webnauts.net/skip-to-main-content.html PR 7

That is all I can report so far. This is not a joke!


See also here: http://www.v7n.com/forums/google-for....html?posted=1

Maybe the problem is that my site is accessible. LOL

And I am coming soon with an interesting question. I will start later a thread about that. ;)

[A. Smith]

Well, I'm glad for you Webnauts, but my site just went to a "0" PR... :(((

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by A. Smith

Well, I'm glad for you Webnauts, but my site just went to a "0" PR... :(((

Agnes have you found out yet why did that happen?

[A. Smith]

Agnes have you found out yet why did that happen?

No, but I'm reading posts here ;). To tell you the truth, I'm not sure how to find out. I don't know how many back links I had before, and a lot of what you guys discuss goes above my head. I figured that by reading posts here, eventually, I'll get it? Maybe :)?

[Webnauts]

Agnes which site went PR 0?

[A. Smith]

My vacation rental, http://www.geocities.com/tropicalvacationrentals. Well, it was only a 3, so I guess I didn't fall from too high. I'm hoping that it will go back. I just read somewhere on this forum how competitive the travel market is, and that is so true!!!

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by A. Smith

My vacation rental, http://www.geocities.com/tropicalvacationrentals. Well, it was only a 3, so I guess I didn't fall from too high. I'm hoping that it will go back.

Agnes I shortly reviewed your site, and to be honest I did not wonder why something like that happened to you. And if I was you, I wouldn't hope too much that it will go back. Ask the experts around here what they think. You might can get a good advice from them. :)

You maybe would like to ask for a site review by our experts here, starting a thread in the "Site Review" forums :)

Originally Posted by A. Smith

I just read somewhere on this forum how competitive the travel market is, and that is so true!!!

Well if someone said so, then is there no need to try SEO for that? I don't get really get that. But nevermind. :)

[Pedro Monteiro]

One of my companies website actually dropped from a PR4 to a PR0. Quite a drop indeed.

We are still to understand the reasons behind the drop.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Pedro Monteiro

One of my companies website actually dropped from a PR4 to a PR0. Quite a drop indeed.

Can you tell which one?

[A. Smith]

Agnes I shortly reviewed your site, and to be honest I did not wonder why something like that happened to you

Oh I know it's not a good site, this was the first site I made, although I did some updating a few months ago, I really don't know anthing about coding or SEO. I was actually surprised when it got a PR3, a long time ago. Thank you for taking a peek, I don't think that it's worthy of the fine reviewers we have here. Maybe, some day, after reading many more posts here, I can build something half way decent.

Well if someone said so, then is there no need to try SEO for that? I don't get really get that. But nevermind. :)

This was not intended as a "give up" comment. It is just a funny coincidence that I had just read this post.

[Tubby]

Agnes. . Yes, travel industry is extremely competetive on the net. Just means you gotta be a little bit better than some of us to get your share of the traffic. The competition is basically caused by the nature of the travel industry.
It sells to people at distant locations. Often the only thing that changes hands is a ticket and money. A large budget Item. ( and Lots of spam )

Quote; I don't think that it's worthy of the fine reviewers

Agnes, you are very nice with your wording, I will give you a review. . my sites are just about exacly as worthy as your own.

[dartman]

Originally Posted by A. Smith

Well, I'm glad for you Webnauts, but my site just went to a "0" PR... :(((

We have a site that went from 0 to 3 to 0 and now back to 3 in the last 90 days. G can be somewhat unpredictable so you might take a wait and see on the PR and at the same time review your seo for ways to possibly improve.
I looked at your vacation page and might suggest you add the location of the property. Shouldn't have to click on a map link to figure out where the property is. Nice pics but I kept wondering - "where is this place".

[A. Smith]

Rick,

Thank you, I will look into having a map on the page itself, maybe something rather small...

As to PR, I have heard from others that their site's ranking "danced" around too. We shall see... Glad yours is back up :).

[dartman]

Originally Posted by A. Smith

Thank you, I will look into having a map on the page itself, maybe something rather small

It took some digging to find where the property is located. I'd suggest just say where the property is, i.e. Islamorada, FL

[A. Smith]

I'd suggest just say where the property is

Now, that's an even better idea... you know, Ive been renting out this place for 5 years, and this never even crossed my mind *blush*? Thanks!

[linkstraffic]

Let's bet on the next PR update :)

I would say: 27 th of Oct

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by linkstraffic

Let's bet on the next PR update :)

I would say: 27 th of Oct

There is a PR update in progress.

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=67871

[linkstraffic]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

There is a PR update in progress.

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=67871

Well I lost ;)

[Webnauts]

Pages checked so far:

http://www.webnauts.net PR6 to PR7
http://www.webnauts.net/webceo.html PR5 to PR7
http://www.webnauts.net/resources.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/resources.xml PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/accessibility-testing.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/seo.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/about-us.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/academy/enroll.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/academy/onsi...g-seminar.html PR6 (same)
http://www.webnauts.net/accessibility-need.html PR7 to PR6
http://www.webnauts.net/skip-to-main-content.html PR7 to PR6

http://directory.webnauts.net PR0 to PR2
http://forums.webnauts.net PR5 to PR6
http://blog.webnauts.net PR4 to PR6

Is the update over?

[NetSurferZero]

I recently updated the home page of our website by creating a whole new one and using the old one as the about us page. I'm worried that I may loose some of the PR goodness and also does Google know the new page is there....

I will say this, I changed the home page from

../assigns/assigns.html TO
../assigns/index.html

Which is a redirect from the base www.assigns.co.uk domain.

Do you think this will be OK, or have I broken it??

[bebsie]

making this thread sticky is great. although i don't fully understand the importance of having a high PR and how would i benefit from it, this helped me a lot.

[sysop9999]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Is the update over?

Well, I hope not ... traffic on one of my sites was increasing, but in the last 24 hours it has dropped 60% or more.

[lasgas]

I have a website:
http://www.future-affiliate-marketing.com
one time the page rank is PR=3 but many time I have PR=2?
I didn't understand this, can any one have an idea and we must do?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by lasgas

I have a website:
http://www.future-affiliate-marketing.com
one time the page rank is PR=3 but many time I have PR=2?
I didn't understand this, can any one have an idea and we must do?

Check with this tool: http://livepr.raketforskning.com/

[lasgas]

thinks webnauts

[Gary Golden]

My site changes PR almost everyday and has been for a couple months now, wander when is this update going to be over.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Gary Golden

My site changes PR almost everyday and has been for a couple months now, wander when is this update going to be over.

Gary I think you got something wrong. When we talk about PR here, otherwise called PageRank, it is what you see in the Google green toolbar if you have installed the extension in your browser. But anyway the values there are not up-to-date or accurate, so not worth to install it.

I suppose you are talking about your rankings in search engines. In other words your positions. :)

[crush123]

Originally Posted by lasgas

I have a website:
http://www.future-affiliate-marketing.com
one time the page rank is PR=3 but many time I have PR=2?
I didn't understand this, can any one have an idea and we must do?

i think this may be also because, google has different data centers and sometimes the PR value may be different with different data centers.

[Gary Golden]

I have it installed on my browser and my PR - Page Rank changes about twice a weeks, in checking the Datacenters my PR also varies. This has been going on for months now so it is either the slower update or GOOGLE is going batty.

Personally other than the fact I enjoy seeing more green I do not place much relevance on it either as I am more concerned with increasing incoming links, providing better content and be ranked high on the search engines.

Lately GOOGLE has been a hard nut to crack as my rankings have dropped for one of my main keywords so I have been adjusting things to see what works. Rankings still good on YAHOO and MSN.

I see by reading in this forum other admin's are having the same problem with GOOGLE though.

[Webnauts]

I do not remember that I ever had problems with Google, and I am very sure I will not have any problems in the future either.

Maybe the case is, if people really know what they are doing. :)

[scialom]

Originally Posted by crush123

i think this may be also because, google has different data centers and sometimes the PR value may be different with different data centers.

I guess you are right - all my websites showing a different pagerank when I check them at home or from my office. Quite annoying!

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by scialom

I guess you are right - all my websites showing a different pagerank when I check them at home or from my office. Quite annoying!

Are you talking about PageRank or Page Ranking?

[Webnauts]

Google is exporting the green bar values.

Just FYI.

[ctabuk]

I hope this assists many of you.

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/007336.html

[litosing]

Some people now believe that Google page rank is of no value anymore, is this still true?

[ctabuk]

More so than ever. It took time but the message is getting across. Ignore Alexa and Toolbar PR.

[IrishGuy74]

Hi all, newbie here and learning about everything
seo, But I would like to ask about Latent Semantic Indexing and how does it relate to SEO and PR.
Thanks..

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

More so than ever. It took time but the message is getting across. Ignore Alexa and Toolbar PR.

David, our member above asked about the Google page rank and not about the PR bar.

So to the issue Google PageRank. That is one of many other algorithms, which is important as any other, if we are talking about rankings. Google uses PageRank values to help set crawling priorities and to determine if a document should go in the regular or supplemental index.

If we are talking about Google's PR toolbar, it is not accurate, as the values presented there is months old.

Many guys here and elsewhere will say "it is not important" or "don't look at is at all", or whatever, but I am still convinced that it is a good measure of connectivity and says something about the site.

After all, I think it is good tool for predicting or estimating.

More about Google PageRank: http://pr.efactory.de/

And about Alexa:

The Alexa Rank is measured according to the amount of users who have visited a web site with the Alexa toolbar installed in their browser.

See Alexa’s definition of the Alexa Traffic Rank:

Originally Posted by Alexa

The traffic rank is based on three months of aggregated historical traffic data from millions of Alexa Toolbar users and is a combined measure of page views and users (reach). As a first step, Alexa computes the reach and number of page views for all sites on the Web on a daily basis.

The main Alexa traffic rank is based on the geometric mean of these two quantities averaged over time (so that the rank of a site reflects both the number of users who visit that site as well as the number of pages on the site viewed by those users)

More about Alexa.

And besides Alexa Rank can be manipulated. See here how: http://www.doshdosh.com/alexa-rankin...ur-alexa-rank/

I look at Alexa toolbar some times too, for the same reason I do with Google's toolbar.

[IrishGuy74]

very interesting post...thanks..

[idansh]

very usefull THANKS ALOT

[Webnauts]

Or Google is tweaking the toolbar or there a PR Toolbar Export is going on.

[idansh]

different PRs for different pages so you need to do an average ??

[Webnauts]

I have in all datacenters the same PR.
You can check with this tool: seo tools: positions-check bei über 300 Datencenter für Deutschland Österreich und die Schweiz

[idansh]

can you post pagerank check url

[duker665]

I have a question, I found what looks like an abandoned blog (2005). I was able to post
my url on 50 or so pages that had almost no backlinks, and PR was anywhere from 2 to 4.
Will this help my PR much? Does it help if I have multiple links on one page to my home page? Should I add links to my other pages? Seems to good to be true.......

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by duker665

I have a question, I found what looks like an abandoned blog (2005). I was able to post
my url on 50 or so pages that had almost no backlinks, and PR was anywhere from 2 to 4.
Will this help my PR much? Does it help if I have multiple links on one page to my home page? Should I add links to my other pages? Seems to good to be true.......

Are the posts real? Are the post relevant to your website? Do you think your spamming?

[TrafficProducer]

Google UK has a PR of 8/10... Why? and just how good can Goggle PR be if they only rate themselves as 8/10; maybe this is because of duplicate content, tongue-in-cheek, light-hearted