Google Update, PageRank, Backlink Information

[carolin.c22]

Hii All
I have a simple question ..When google page ranking refer to zero ....it means that my website has NO traffic at all

[radu]

Well, not necessary.
It happened that one of my websites has PR 0 since a few weeks but the trafic did not drop dramatically.
By the way, why a website outdoorholiday.com, that suffered very few changes lately suddenly droped from PR4 to PR0 ? (I did nothing to get new inbound links lately, so I suppose there are not external causes).

all best,
Radu

[emeraldisle]

Originally Posted by carolin.c22

Hii All
I have a simple question ..When google page ranking refer to zero ....it means that my website has NO traffic at all

Hi, no, page rank is not a direct measure of traffic. My site suddenly dropped from a 4 overall (some pages were a 6 in page rank) to 1's and 2's in page rank. The traffic slowed a little, but only about 10%. I still get about 1200 visitors per month for my site Emerald Isle Studios Fine Original Paintings, Limited Edtion Prints and Murals

A new site I just built is still at a zero, but is now getting about 140 visitors per month. The Maids of Naples Florida Cleaning Service. I am working on increasing that dramatically, but at the moment, their page rank is still a zero.

Hey, on a slightly different note, can anyone give me an idea why my emeraldislestudios site dropped suddenly and by so much?

Thanks everyone!
Emerald

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by emeraldisle

Hi, no, page rank is not a direct measure of traffic. My site suddenly dropped from a 4 overall (some pages were a 6 in page rank) to 1's and 2's in page rank. The traffic slowed a little, but only about 10%. I still get about 1200 visitors per month for my site Emerald Isle Studios Fine Original Paintings, Limited Edtion Prints and Murals

A new site I just built is still at a zero, but is now getting about 140 visitors per month. The Maids of Naples Florida Cleaning Service. I am working on increasing that dramatically, but at the moment, their page rank is still a zero.

Hey, on a slightly different note, can anyone give me an idea why my emeraldislestudios site dropped suddenly and by so much?

Thanks everyone!
Emerald

Most probably, pages where you backlinks are living have added more links, or their PR dropped or the pages might have been de-indexed.

[radu]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Most probably, pages where you backlinks are living have added more links, or their PR dropped or the pages might have been de-indexed.

I thought of a similar cause for my site's PR getting down, but it would be kinda strange that all or the majority of the sites pointing to our site to be de-indexed between the last two PR updates or given much fewer importance. If only part of the pages suffered this, the PR drop won't be so dramatically, I suppose.

What do you think ?
many thanks. Radu

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by radu

I thought of a similar cause for my site's PR getting down, but it would be kinda strange that all or the majority of the sites pointing to our site to be de-indexed between the last two PR updates or given much fewer importance. If only part of the pages suffered this, the PR drop won't be so dramatically, I suppose.

What do you think ?
many thanks. Radu

I think this happened to a lot of sites lately. Google has made a concerted effort over the last year to denigrate the value of paid and reciprocal links and that is filtering down to your site, I would guess.

[kevinfg]

Originally Posted by carolin.c22

Hii All
I have a simple question ..When google page ranking refer to zero ....it means that my website has NO traffic at all

Do not worry, that is not a direct measurement of traffic. My Singapore web hosting web site Singapore Web Hosting | Dedicated Servers, Singapore Web Design, Windows Hosting ASP.NET was having PR5 before i started to update as much as 200 pages of content. Just this month only, it dropped to PR0, i suspect Google is updating the PR links this month. As i still recall i once had PR 0 for 4 weeks before going back to PR5 again.

I still gets 500 unique visitors daily, so being PR 0 is not equal to no traffic. You may want to get the alexa web ranks on your browser to see how you fare against other web sites every few weeks.

Usually concentrating on content is the best way to getting more traffic to your web site.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by kevinfg

so being PR 0 is not equal to no traffic.

How could you tell that you had PR0 at that point?

[TolkienLibrary]

Well, two weeks ago my website Tolkien Library: bibliography, biography, resource, reviews, articles, essays on J.R.R. Tolkien books and collecting Tolkien was having a pageranking of 5. Then it dropped to 0 for about half a day and then ended up on 4. My site was having a PR 5 for over a year and so I suspect google decided to clean up or change some things that determing PR.
I do however think it does slightly affect the amount of visitors, but it could also be a coincidence...

[TrafficProducer]

Google Everflux: Just What We Needed, Google on Speed

Is it just me or has Google gone into overdrive? As a professional full-time online marketer I have to keep my mind firmly placed on what Google is doing. As much as I try not to because Google has probably driven more people around the bend than Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz put together.

Google Everflux: Just What We Needed, Google on Speed

[Webnauts]

Have you all noticed that PR toolbar is updating?

[zycon5000]

Yes, I've noticed that the PR toolbar has updated. In fact, it changed earlier today for our homepage, which is now at PR5, an increase! Hopefully the interior pages follow shortly.

[zeruel]

My other site goes up from PR3 to PR4... Not bad after all...

[pankaj.sharma]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Most probably, pages where you backlinks are living have added more links, or their PR dropped or the pages might have been de-indexed.

Hello Webnauts,

previously My site have 133 backlinks out of that 87 comes from fourms and now my site have only 40 backlinks (only 10 from forums).

My question, is google not giving importance to forums like Digipoint, webproworld, sitepoint etc....

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by pankaj.sharma

Hello Webnauts,

previously My site have 133 backlinks out of that 87 comes from fourms and now my site have only 40 backlinks (only 10 from forums).

My question, is google not giving importance to forums like Digipoint, webproworld, sitepoint etc....

If you mainly rely for backlinks from forums, you are on the wrong path buddy.

[megastar]

omg...Google PR, what a flippin headache. we use to be a PR7, then down to PR5...but, we are still dominating for all our keywords...

i went and got therapy and now no longer care what my PR is, just that the leads keep coming in, and they do.

[enablingbiz]

Page rank of e2webhosts.com has reduced.. I want to know that problem cause of virus or anything else...
Have you any Idea for increase page rank...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by megastar

omg...Google PR, what a flippin headache. we use to be a PR7, then down to PR5...but, we are still dominating for all our keywords...

i went and got therapy and now no longer care what my PR is, just that the leads keep coming in, and they do.

You don't care about PR? Strange... NEWS!!! Google re-introduces PageRank

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by enablingbiz

Page rank of e2webhosts.com has reduced.. I want to know that problem cause of virus or anything else...
Have you any Idea for increase page rank...

Can you first explain us why do you want to increase your PageRank? Why is it important for you?

[enablingbiz]

Thanks for replying me..
ya sure High Page Rank of our site depends on our site visitor traffic according to per month/day/hour. Traffic increase of our site and visitor stats will be high ranking on search engine...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by enablingbiz

Thanks for replying me..
ya sure High Page Rank of our site depends on our site visitor traffic according to per month/day/hour. Traffic increase of our site and visitor stats will be high ranking on search engine...

I think I lost the track here. What are you talking about?

[zeruel]

Do you guys experience any fluctuations on your keywords? Few days ago, I was at number 5 in Google. Then the day after that, my site went down to the 2nd page. Yesterday, my site is at number 5 again. But right now, it went down again to the 2nd page?

What is Google doing?

[duker665]

Anyone have an idea how many one-way links are needed to raise from PR3 to Pr4? Just curious, I have a PR of 3 and about 1000 inbound links. I read somewhere I would need 4000 links at PR0 or PR1 to get it up to 4. I realize the rank of the pages going into my site matters, but just looking for a guide. Pretty hard to get higher than PR0 from pure inbound anyway.

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by duker665

Anyone have an idea how many one-way links are needed to raise from PR3 to Pr4? Just curious, I have a PR of 3 and about 1000 inbound links. I read somewhere I would need 4000 links at PR0 or PR1 to get it up to 4. I realize the rank of the pages going into my site matters, but just looking for a guide. Pretty hard to get higher than PR0 from pure inbound anyway.

No such number. It is not a quantitative thing, it is quality of the links

[tomcatuk]

Jaan is spot on - you can get PR 4,5 or even 6 with ONE backlink. This is where (as far as I'm concerned) I was getting it totally wrong. Hours spent collecting one way links from directories & other low quality sources would have been far better spent concentrating on a handful of quality, relevant ones.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by tomcatuk

Jaan is spot on - you can get PR 4,5 or even 6 with ONE backlink. This is where (as far as I'm concerned) I was getting it totally wrong. Hours spent collecting one way links from directories & other low quality sources would have been far better spent concentrating on a handful of quality, relevant ones.

Before looking for links, everyone should better clean up their supplemental pages. Otherwise you waste a lot of time and money, which you do not necessarily need that.

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[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

I think I lost the track here. What are you talking about?

You asked why they value PR and that was their reply; that they see a correlation between PageRank, SERPs and traffic.

[Web-Design-Guy]

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion on my query...

Our site has 600+ inbound links (according to webmaster tools). The majority are from dynamically generated pages in an online store we recently developed - a single domain in other words. (our credit is coded into in the mainpage template footer).

Is this positive or negative with regard to PR?

Great thread - glad I found it - I'm learning a lot.

Web-Design-Guy

[full house]

What is your site's current PR?

[TolkienLibrary]

Went back up to 5 a week or so ago (Tolkien Library: bibliography, biography, resource, reviews, articles, essays on J.R.R. Tolkien books and collecting Tolkien --> see some post earlier) ... don't know what happened now. Did not do much alterations to it... So if I understand well the idea to get a better pagerank is not getting a lot of links from boards only, but from various online sources like website, blogs, forums, social networks,...

Also it seems pagerank does not influence the amount of visitors that much and also not much on how good keywords score. So what is the importance of pagerank then? I'm a bit lost now...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by TolkienLibrary

Went back up to 5 a week or so ago (Tolkien Library: bibliography, biography, resource, reviews, articles, essays on J.R.R. Tolkien books and collecting Tolkien --> see some post earlier) ... don't know what happened now. Did not do much alterations to it... So if I understand well the idea to get a better pagerank is not getting a lot of links from boards only, but from various online sources like website, blogs, forums, social networks,...

Also it seems pagerank does not influence the amount of visitors that much and also not much on how good keywords score. So what is the importance of pagerank then? I'm a bit lost now...

PageRank is important! But not what you see in the toolbar! PERIOD!

Matt Cutts explains:

I believe that I’ve said before that PageRank is computed continuously; there are machines that take inputs to the PageRank algorithm at Google and compute the resulting PageRanks. So at any given time, a url in Google’s system has up-to-date PageRank as a result of running the computation with the inputs to the algorithm. From time-to-time, that internal PageRank value is exported so that it’s visible to Google Toolbar users (see the question below for more details on the timing)....

...Great question. By the time you see newer PageRanks in the toolbar, those values have already been incorporated in how we score/rank our search results. So while you may be happy to see that the Google Toolbar shows a little more PageRank for a given page, it’s not as if that causes a change in search results at that point. So you won’t see any search engine result page (SERP) changes as a result of this PageRank export–those changes have been gradually baking in since the last PageRank export.

Source: More info on PageRank

Is that clear enough?

[CLSbrunette]

Ei, guys, can anyone give me a list of some blog sites where I can post some comments. This is to help me out for my back links. Hope it's not asking too much.

[CLSbrunette]

Ei, guys, can anyone give me a list of some blog sites where I can post some comments. This is to help me out for my back links. Hope it's not asking too much.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by CLSbrunette

Ei, guys, can anyone give me a list of some blog sites where I can post some comments. This is to help me out for my back links. Hope it's not asking too much.

Blogs are not made to post comments just to get backlinks.

[tomcatuk]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Blogs are not made to post comments just to get backlinks.

Totally true - a complete waste of time! If you're determined you want to do it anyway, there are directories out there listing "do follow" blogs. These are a waste of time as well of course - your links will be amongst some of the worst SPAM on the net.

[sohel1]

My other keywords are still there ranking for pretty much the same (even jumped a few places up).

The page still ranks (dropped to #6) on several data centers but majority has kicked the page out!!!

No change in competitor ranking, the one before me jumped on my place. Don't think it has out ranked me instead index has completely dropped the page out of 1000 results. Checked web master tool, no error or warning or any thing. No drop in links etc

[TrafficProducer]

can anyone give me a list of some blog sites where I can post some comments

Hope this helps Blogs. Blogging. BLOG. Video Blogs. Vlogs

[google consultant]

I work full time for a UK directory company and we have noticed huge fluctuations in the rankings of many of the 16000 sites that we look after. Our web directories are all fine and have not been affected by the Google algo update. I have been looking for patterns but I have had no success in figuring out what is happening so far. But as many top SEO guru's say "dont be hasty in making changes to your site(s) be patient and wait till the full updates have gone in and then work out what needs to be ammended".

Many people I see online in forums like this one, get very worried and start making changes on the slightest movement but this is not a wise move as the content could be written the way they are looking for. Fluctuations are normal. Never be too hasty to make too many changes while an update is going on.

I would be interested to hear from people what they have seen happen to thier site(s) over the last week. We were hit on thursday and have also seen more sites affected. We are not in the business of being spammy, far from it. I look after the SEO side and we look to follow the rules to the leter so I cant imagine its too much to be worried about, its just a patience is a vertue moment and then we can adjust accordingly.

IF you have any experiences that you would like to share with me I would be very interested to hare from you. Working together makes lihter work of potentially hard work. Email me on: email@lee-johnson.com

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by google consultant

IF you have any experiences that you would like to share with me I would be very interested to hare from you. Working together makes lihter work of potentially hard work.

Google Consultant if you have noticed you are hijacking this great thread. I would recommend you to start a new thread, so we all can have a look.

Thanks,

John

[google consultant]

sorry john ill setup a new one !

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by google consultant

sorry john ill setup a new one !

Sound great to me. PM me if you don't mind the link to the thread you will setup if you want me to have a look.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by jadoo22

Im waiting for google PR update in august for my websites! i hope i got some PR! lol! nice post! thanks!

Why are you waiting for PR? And how do you know that the toolbar values will be exported in August?

[chrisbarney]

isn't most pr are updated a few months after the actual score?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by chrisbarney

isn't most pr are updated a few months after the actual score?

Yes, that is correct.

[sryk]

Nice post really. Google is all about learning new things daily

[crazyseo]

Hi Mike,
I think, since this thread is a sticky so it needs some update now.

How Often Does Google Update PageRank and Backlinks?

Google updates their Backlink results and PageRank results every 3 – 6 weeks.

Now we all know (as told by Matt Cutts)

Backlinks and PageRank are updated every 3-4 months

Regards
CrazySEO

[will22]

yeah, i think PR update is each 3 months..thanks for sharing this info on PR update.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by crazyseo

Hi Mike,
I think, since this thread is a sticky so it needs some update now.


Now we all know (as told by Matt Cutts)



Regards
CrazySEO

To avoid any misunderstandings, please be aware that the values of the PR on the toolbar export date are already 3-4 months.

[crazyseo]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

To avoid any misunderstandings, please be aware that the values of the PR on the toolbar export date are already 3-4 months.

Exactly same

thanks for adding this toolbar word here. As we all know that the PR of a website adjusted more regularly but exported to Toolbar after 3-4 months.

Regards
Crazyseo

[lqyjames]

I thank that PR is less and less important, for the purpose of design site is for target traffic, is and not the PR, recently top ranking in google is not base on your high PR, but for rich and reasonable contant and continually updating. If you have view carefully 10 sites on google's first page, you could find that there are very low PR site in it.
So we should note the purpose of doing site, not only for high PR.
Do you think so?
James