Google Update, PageRank, Backlink Information

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Yes, I see a general trend in sites going down about one PR overall ... some of my sites remained the same or improved, but most lost one PR across the board. However, none have lost any of their positions. All remain in G's top 5 for their most relevant phrase(s).

If the 'G' top 5 for their relevant phrase(s) are not searched terms or are very less competent, that does not backup anything. Can you tell please tell which phrases we are talking about? I would like to run them through WT and KD. Maybe we can come up with some cool stuff.

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

I conclude from this, that this PR update is largely a continued assault on links whether reciprocal or paid.

I do not agree. First they cleaned up manually and maybe automatically the buying and selling links sites, and then they ran the automatic PageRank metrics check and they exported them. And the best is, that the links alone have lost the weight they used to have before, being dominated by other factors. And then the burning question raises: Which factors?

Just my observations...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by OLYMPOS

You are very lucky then!!!!

Washington Post new PR 5 washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

Forbes Business News and Financial News new PR 4 Business News and Financial News at Forbes.com

Good as far as I can see - Google is giving more weight to the pages that have content.

And Google does not give weight to sites like the one you mentioned in your PM. If they did not use the nofollow tag, you would have been penalized.

The only thing I would dare to say is, that that text links (IBLs) themselves are not the only and governing PageRank evaluation factor.

Just my observations...

[tomcatuk]

From what I see this PR update is about relevance. Statcounter.com has dropped from a 9 to a 6 (having dropped from a mighty 10 at the update earlier this year). Those guys have over a million inbounds links according to G. Heaven only knows how many Yahoo! reports for them - I don't need to look to see it will be a big number. Of course, the sites linking to them are those using their code - a tiny percentage will be sites relevant to web stats as a topic.
Also noticed apple.com dropped to a 9. Shame that.

NB I'm not saying that I think inbounds are the only factor affecting PR. Just that the relevance of inbounds has been subjected to much stricter criteria this time around. Which is a good thing surely?

[espmartin]

Just saw this:
Googlite explains PageRank tweak | The Register

Anyway, my sites have all been affected and effected (please forgive my word-play)

EFFECTED:

• My PR6 sites all went down to PR5
  • Sub-pages to PR4/PR5
• My PR4 went down to PR3

AFFECTED:

• My PR0 went up to PR3
  • Site is 2 months old
• My PR0 went up to PR4
  • Site is 3 months old
• PRGrey to PR0
  • Site is 6 months old

Here is a thought:

One of my PR6 sites is now PR5, and every sub-page is PR4/PR5 - excluding a sub-page
that had no crazy content or sold links (nuthin' like that ) - but it did have a
banner ad for TLA (Text Link Ads). And again, I've not sold links on it, but just that one
page had that ad. The content is relevant to the rest of the site - but only that page is a PRGrey...

Edited to say that this is my experience, and in no way am I saying that if you run TLA ads,
you will definately loose your PR ranking. It's just what I have seen on one of my sites,
and could very well be due to some other influence - just added for Food For Thought...

YMMV

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by tomcatuk

NB I'm not saying that I think inbounds are the only factor affecting PR. Just that the relevance of inbounds has been subjected to much stricter criteria this time around. Which is a good thing surely?

Sounds great to me.

[jayeshpaul]

Yes i m agree with average work for different PR and Different backlinks

people must be work all the procedure in inner pages of their websites to get average PR for website.

thanks
JAY

[kgun]

Originally Posted by IrishGuy74

Hi all, newbie here and learning about everything
seo, But I would like to ask about Latent Semantic Indexing and how does it relate to SEO and PR.
Thanks..

Actually, "contextual" indexing and retrieval has been part of the algo at the "theme-based" engines (Google, Alltheweb and Lycos) for a couple years now at least. Some of the components are Latent Symantic Indexing and Term Vectoring. If you've got the patience and time, Study those subjects. My Clients and I have been prospering from knowledge of how this works for almost two years now. And I agree that this area is the most interesting and where many of the coolest innovations of search marketing are and will be appearing.

Source: Next Gen Search: Thinking Engines

Originally Posted by cass-hacks

This has got to be the strangest Toolbar "update" in history.

Does the word Bourbon give you some associations?

Clink. Google Guy Spills Bourbon. Cheers.

GoogleGuy's profile. Last post Sept 16, 2007

Another for new webmasters interested in history:

Google's Jagger Update Contines

Google Updates Rankings: Will Your Website Survive?

[simonbuxton132]

I take it the Page Rank is determined using the 'voting' system that Google explains on its web master help pages.

I can see how genuine informational pages can get a very good page rank as forums and other sites will naturally link to them - especially when there sites mutually benefit each other (and no competition).

It is a little different for e-commerce sites, where they seem to use door way sites, spoof information sites that point back to there sites, etc.

It seems that the only genuine way to increase a commercial site is to get its suppliers to link - but how good will that be? How many links do you need to raise the PR level?

KR

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by simonbuxton132

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?

KR

Just one good one.

[TrafficProducer]

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?Could it be:-If you have too few, Google won’t, count.If you have too many then Google will treat it as if these have been obtained untrustworthily, paid for etc…

[simonbuxton132]

Surely a page rank can't just be the number backlinks, surely the relevance to the search is important?

Why would too many links be detrimental? We have not control of this.

If it was just the number of backlinks, then everyone would just create dummy sites that link?

Maybe we should create blogs with a couple links to our sites?

I am particularly concerned with e-commerce sites, where no site (except suppliers) would normally link to - so maybe its just blogs and adwords?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by TrafficProducer

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?Could it be:-If you have too few, Google won’t, count.If you have too many then Google will treat it as if these have been obtained untrustworthily, paid for etc…

It is not a matter of quantity. It is a matter of quality.

[pchauhan]

hi agenes

Ya ..we all know the travel is much competetive word in these dayss so dont worry continuee to work on your sites. you ill get pr in next update

[full house]

Is there a PR update this January?

[pchauhan]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

It is not a matter of quantity. It is a matter of quality.

Webnauts Really agree with your quality of back link matters not quantity... links from irrelivent sites are ok or not .. if we getting a link from related category .. page relivency will considered or site ?????

Thnks In advance

[thindenim]

Think there has just been a toolbar update.

[pchauhan]

Originally Posted by thindenim

Think there has just been a toolbar update.

Ya.... Back links And Pr update got a lot of back links this time

ans till there is no change in the PR

[pchauhan]

Originally Posted by thindenim

Think there has just been a toolbar update.

Ya.... Back links And Pr update got a lot of back links this time

ans till there is no change in the PR

[datetopia]

Yep. Backlinks upgrade. PR upgrade seems under progress... some pr-less sites we host got pr2.

[gky45]

Its weird, on some of our sites (according to Google Webmaster Tools) our backlinks have dissappeared entirely (which I know ain't the case as when we checke) them with the link:yourdomain check that Webmaster Tools supplied we have some).

Whereabout in Google is there contact information to make an enquiry about variations like this or do we just tough it out and hope the stuff reappears as in one case the site has dissappeared down the rankings completely and the toolbar PR went from 3 to zero!

[pchauhan]

Hi

I got back links but still there is no change in PR....

still they have PR 3

Previous update my blogs have 10 backlinks then its pr was 0

and i got 82 backlinks stll its Pr 3 '

Is it possible

[root123]

The recent updates shows no hike in PR for my site, but few backlinks added.

[Global Trucker]

same thing here had 36 backlinks now showing 0. Anyone know if they are still updating and if backlinks will go back to where they were?

[root123]

Not necessarily, you might get back the back links or you may also not, it all depends on the way you have optimize your site as well as the performance of the other sites that links to you.

[tomcatuk]

One of my e-commerce sites went up to 3 from a 2. Competitors I monitor in the same market that were at 4 moved down to 3, and some down to 2. Seems to be getting harder to get an e-commerce site to a high PR.

[root123]

During the last updation Google clearly suggest against buying and selling of links. This might be one of the major reasons behind droping of PR from many good ranking sites.

[gky45]

Just a quick note of thanks to all of the guys (and gals) who contributed to this thread. A couple of days a go one of our sites was actually wiped off the map as far as Google were concerned and now after a few frantic days of cleaning up code and making sure that we got some really good keyword rich links from a couple of good social media sites we are back into Google with a No 8 out of 3.5 million and No 11 out of 4 million competitors for our two main keywords and the site is only 5 months old.

So thanks everyone for all of the various snippets of advice!

Steve

[WDC]

Any observation from recent Google PR and backlinks update. Last time it was related to paid links. But what is the significance of this PR update.

[darius.simonson]

Interesting and scary too. I always thought earning commissions through affiliate marketing was safe.

[ushuiah]

Originally Posted by full house

Is there a PR update this January?

Yeah there is. One of my blog got PR4 from unranked.

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by WDC

Any observation from recent Google PR and backlinks update. Last time it was related to paid links. But what is the significance of this PR update.

More of the same, really, I would venture.

[ushuiah]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

I didn't check all pages yet, but so far...

My brand new pages which had PR 0 have now:

Accessibility, SEO, & Usability Testing & Consulting Company PR 5
Web Accessibility, SEO & Usability Resources PR 6
Webnauts Net - Accessibility, SEO and Usability PR 6
Accessibility Testing PR 6
Why SEO should be important to you PR 6
About Us - Web Accessibility, SEO & Usability Consultants PR 6
Training Course Enrollment Form PR 6
On-site SEO Training Seminar PR 6
The need for accessibility PR7

Older pages for P6 to PR7:
Skip to Main Content Links are Important PR 7

That is all I can report so far. This is not a joke!


See also here: PR Update today - 13th July 2006 - Page 2 - Webmaster Forum

Maybe the problem is that my site is accessible. LOL

And I am coming soon with an interesting question. I will start later a thread about that.

Great job. PR5 and 6 is high enough. This is the fruit of your hardwork.

[Zishan]

Is it possible to show a single site in different pages of google for the same key phrase.. if yes, then would request the expert to guide me on this...

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by Zishan

Is it possible to show a single site in different pages of google for the same key phrase.. if yes, then would request the expert to guide me on this...

This happens all of the time when Google show the home page and the most relevant page for the search query:

php scripts - Google Search

It is all done algorithmically.

[emeraldisle]

Hi everyone!

My PR suddenly dropped from a 4 to a 1 on my main page, and from 6's to 1's on a couple other pages. I had some broken code which I have tried to clean up. I am open to suggestions everyone! Here they are:

Main page Orignal & Limited Edition Christian Gifts & Gifts (from 4 to 1)

Other pages (from 6 to 1):
Early Christian Art Techniques

The Composition of the Renaissance

[emeraldisle]

On another note, I received this comment from the Google Webmaster Forum:

PageRank which this thread is about, is not the same as page ranking.

Google Technology

Does this make sense to anyone? I did not to me. Is there more than one type of Page Rank with Google?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by emeraldisle

Hi everyone!

My PR suddenly dropped from a 4 to a 1 on my main page, and from 6's to 1's on a couple other pages. I had some broken code which I have tried to clean up. I am open to suggestions everyone! Here they are:

Main page Orignal & Limited Edition Christian Gifts & Gifts (from 4 to 1)

Other pages (from 6 to 1):
Early Christian Art Techniques

The Composition of the Renaissance

When did that happen? Today?

[BillYork]

I am not an SEO expert, far from it, so I have a question. The page rank for my site and it's two sub domains dropped from 3 to greyed out. My links, as shown under link: command, to that domain and the two sub domains went from a few hundred each to zero. The site and both sub domains have disapeared from the search pages. All three still show under the site: command and when I type in the URL by itself. There is a subdirectory that still has a PR of 3, still shows links and is still listed in the SERPS. I have not made any changes except to add new posts to the blogs and to shorten the description meta tag on the main site. Google is still spidering the site.

Is my site being banned or is something else going on? Can somebody tell me?

The main site is California Personal Injury Attorney | California Accident Lawyer
The two subdomains adversly affected are Politics In America - Political Viewpoints
and California Law - Legal Information

The subdirectory that is still OK is Legal Humor - Lawyer Jokes - Attorney Jokes

Any help in understanding what is going on would be much apreciated.

Thank you;
Bill York

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by BillYork

Is my site being banned or is something else going on? Can somebody tell me?

The main site is California Personal Injury Attorney | California Accident Lawyer
The two subdomains adversly affected are Politics In America - Political Viewpoints
and California Law - Legal Information

The subdirectory that is still OK is Legal Humor - Lawyer Jokes - Attorney Jokes

Any help in understanding what is going on would be much apreciated.

Thank you;
Bill York

You site is not banned: site:californiapersonalinjuryattorneys.us/ - Google Search

[BillYork]

To Webnauts, thank you for your response, however I am confused. It was my understanding that a grayed out Page rank meant that either the site was not in the index or that it had been banned. From what I understand you are one of the top experts on this site. Can you tell me what would cause this site to go from a Page rank of 3 to grayed out, from a link: command showing a few hundred links to 0 links and a a search engine position of 19 to nowhere? As I stated in my previous post the only change I made to the site was to shorten the description meta tag, so I don't think that is the problem.

Sorry to sound like such a moron, but as I stated previously I am not an SEO or SEM expert. This site was given to me by a friend in order to give me something to do in my retirement and I seem to have ruined it. The main site provided paid and courtesy links for attorneys and I feel responsible to the attorneys that paid. If the site is not going to be found in the serps I will have to refund the money that was paid for the paid placements as it would not be fair to keep their money if they are not recieving a benefit.

I was also given a couple of other sites that still seem to be doing OK but am worried that the same thing might happen to them.

Thank you in advance for any help that you or anyone else can provide.

Bill York

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by BillYork

Can you tell me what would cause this site to go from a Page rank of 3 to grayed out, from a link: command showing a few hundred links to 0 links and a a search engine position of 19 to nowhere? As I stated in my previous post the only change I made to the site was to shorten the description meta tag, so I don't think that is the problem.

Probably a devaluation of websites linking to you. Meaning you could have done nothing wrong and those websites that were previously giving you credit dont anymore. Do you have a link building strategy if not, it is time to build one.

Also if you have purchased links previously this could have been a reason for the drop to.

[Webnauts]

Bill, all your backlinks seem to be devaluated. They all have no PageRank available so far I could see.

[BillYork]

Thank you Webnauts and Incrediblehelp. I don't know why my backlinks have been devalued. I have not paid for any links and a number of backlinks that were to the site before it was greyed out had page ranks of 3, 4 and 5. My sub directory which has a page rank of 3 links to the main page and a few of my interior pages have page ranks of 2 and 3 although there are far fewer of them with ranking then there were a week ago. I did not have any links from link farms that I know of. I also know that about fifteen backlinks come from friend's sites, are on the first page of those sites and those sites all have page ranks of 4 or 5.

I guess I'll just wait a 3 or 4 weeks and if things don't return to normal I will just start sending refunds to the people who paid for links from the directory.

Thank you again for your help.

Bill York

[LinkMaster]

I'm finding that the Toolbar PageRank is only showing up on about half the websites I visit. I wonder if a TBPR update is in the works?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by LinkMaster

I'm finding that the Toolbar PageRank is only showing up on about half the websites I visit. I wonder if a TBPR update is in the works?

It looks like it is: Google Pagerank update Q2 2008

[scanmonkey]

I'm seeing pr updates on some data centers using this pr checker tool -

Future PageRank - SEO Tools - Search Engine Optimization, Google Optimization

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

I'm seeing pr updates on some data centers using this pr checker tool -

Future PageRank - SEO Tools - Search Engine Optimization, Google Optimization

Scanmonkey that is a future pagerank prediction.

And I want to confirm that some new pages of mine which had no PR in the toolbar, today they got PR4 and 5.
I hope that the update is still going on.

[scanmonkey]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Scanmonkey that is a future pagerank prediction.

And I want to confirm that some new pages of mine which had no PR in the toolbar, today they got PR 5.
I hope that the update is still going on.

It says that the tool will query Google's various data centers to check for any changes in PageRank values for a given URL.

I'm seeing some sites that I have adsense on going to PR1 from PR0. Seems accurate to me.

How does it look with your new PR5 site?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by scanmonkey

It says that the tool will query Google's various data centers to check for any changes in PageRank values for a given URL.

I'm seeing some sites that I have adsense on going to PR1 from PR0. Seems accurate to me.

How does it look with your new PR5 site?

No, it is my site. Only new some pages without PR went to PR4 and PR5.

[emeraldisle]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

When did that happen? Today?

Hi, thanks so much for replying! It happened a few months ago... I updated the look of my pages and BOOM all of my page rank dropped. I saw it dropping on many other pages also at that time period, so I was not sure if it was due to my revisions or changes in the Google algorithm. I have gone in to try to clean up any errors in my code. This has recently resulted in the elevation of my main page from 1 to 2, but my other pages are still at a 1. This is a large drop from a 6. Any thoughts?