Google Update, PageRank, Backlink Information

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Yes, I see a general trend in sites going down about one PR overall ... some of my sites remained the same or improved, but most lost one PR across the board. However, none have lost any of their positions. All remain in G's top 5 for their most relevant phrase(s).

If the 'G' top 5 for their relevant phrase(s) are not searched terms or are very less competent, that does not backup anything. Can you tell please tell which phrases we are talking about? I would like to run them through WT and KD. Maybe we can come up with some cool stuff.

Originally Posted by mjtaylor

I conclude from this, that this PR update is largely a continued assault on links whether reciprocal or paid.

I do not agree. First they cleaned up manually and maybe automatically the buying and selling links sites, and then they ran the automatic PageRank metrics check and they exported them. And the best is, that the links alone have lost the weight they used to have before, being dominated by other factors. And then the burning question raises: Which factors?

Just my observations...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by OLYMPOS

You are very lucky then!!!!

Washington Post new PR 5 washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

Forbes Business News and Financial News new PR 4 Business News and Financial News at Forbes.com

Good as far as I can see - Google is giving more weight to the pages that have content.

And Google does not give weight to sites like the one you mentioned in your PM. If they did not use the nofollow tag, you would have been penalized.

The only thing I would dare to say is, that that text links (IBLs) themselves are not the only and governing PageRank evaluation factor.

Just my observations...

[tomcatuk]

From what I see this PR update is about relevance. Statcounter.com has dropped from a 9 to a 6 (having dropped from a mighty 10 at the update earlier this year). Those guys have over a million inbounds links according to G. Heaven only knows how many Yahoo! reports for them - I don't need to look to see it will be a big number. Of course, the sites linking to them are those using their code - a tiny percentage will be sites relevant to web stats as a topic.
Also noticed apple.com dropped to a 9. Shame that.

NB I'm not saying that I think inbounds are the only factor affecting PR. Just that the relevance of inbounds has been subjected to much stricter criteria this time around. Which is a good thing surely?

[espmartin]

Just saw this:
Googlite explains PageRank tweak | The Register

Anyway, my sites have all been affected and effected (please forgive my word-play)

EFFECTED:

• My PR6 sites all went down to PR5
  • Sub-pages to PR4/PR5
• My PR4 went down to PR3

AFFECTED:

• My PR0 went up to PR3
  • Site is 2 months old
• My PR0 went up to PR4
  • Site is 3 months old
• PRGrey to PR0
  • Site is 6 months old

Here is a thought:

One of my PR6 sites is now PR5, and every sub-page is PR4/PR5 - excluding a sub-page
that had no crazy content or sold links (nuthin' like that ) - but it did have a
banner ad for TLA (Text Link Ads). And again, I've not sold links on it, but just that one
page had that ad. The content is relevant to the rest of the site - but only that page is a PRGrey...

Edited to say that this is my experience, and in no way am I saying that if you run TLA ads,
you will definately loose your PR ranking. It's just what I have seen on one of my sites,
and could very well be due to some other influence - just added for Food For Thought...

YMMV

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by tomcatuk

NB I'm not saying that I think inbounds are the only factor affecting PR. Just that the relevance of inbounds has been subjected to much stricter criteria this time around. Which is a good thing surely?

Sounds great to me.

[jayeshpaul]

Yes i m agree with average work for different PR and Different backlinks

people must be work all the procedure in inner pages of their websites to get average PR for website.

thanks
JAY

[kgun]

Originally Posted by IrishGuy74

Hi all, newbie here and learning about everything
seo, But I would like to ask about Latent Semantic Indexing and how does it relate to SEO and PR.
Thanks..

Actually, "contextual" indexing and retrieval has been part of the algo at the "theme-based" engines (Google, Alltheweb and Lycos) for a couple years now at least. Some of the components are Latent Symantic Indexing and Term Vectoring. If you've got the patience and time, Study those subjects. My Clients and I have been prospering from knowledge of how this works for almost two years now. And I agree that this area is the most interesting and where many of the coolest innovations of search marketing are and will be appearing.

Source: Next Gen Search: Thinking Engines

Originally Posted by cass-hacks

This has got to be the strangest Toolbar "update" in history.

Does the word Bourbon give you some associations?

Clink. Google Guy Spills Bourbon. Cheers.

GoogleGuy's profile. Last post Sept 16, 2007

Another for new webmasters interested in history:

Google's Jagger Update Contines

Google Updates Rankings: Will Your Website Survive?

[simonbuxton132]

I take it the Page Rank is determined using the 'voting' system that Google explains on its web master help pages.

I can see how genuine informational pages can get a very good page rank as forums and other sites will naturally link to them - especially when there sites mutually benefit each other (and no competition).

It is a little different for e-commerce sites, where they seem to use door way sites, spoof information sites that point back to there sites, etc.

It seems that the only genuine way to increase a commercial site is to get its suppliers to link - but how good will that be? How many links do you need to raise the PR level?

KR

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by simonbuxton132

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?

KR

Just one good one.

[TrafficProducer]

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?Could it be:-If you have too few, Google won’t, count.If you have too many then Google will treat it as if these have been obtained untrustworthily, paid for etc…

[simonbuxton132]

Surely a page rank can't just be the number backlinks, surely the relevance to the search is important?

Why would too many links be detrimental? We have not control of this.

If it was just the number of backlinks, then everyone would just create dummy sites that link?

Maybe we should create blogs with a couple links to our sites?

I am particularly concerned with e-commerce sites, where no site (except suppliers) would normally link to - so maybe its just blogs and adwords?

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by TrafficProducer

How many links do you need to raise the PR level?Could it be:-If you have too few, Google won’t, count.If you have too many then Google will treat it as if these have been obtained untrustworthily, paid for etc…

It is not a matter of quantity. It is a matter of quality.

[pchauhan]

hi agenes

Ya ..we all know the travel is much competetive word in these dayss so dont worry continuee to work on your sites. you ill get pr in next update

[full house]

Is there a PR update this January?

[pchauhan]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

It is not a matter of quantity. It is a matter of quality.

Webnauts Really agree with your quality of back link matters not quantity... links from irrelivent sites are ok or not .. if we getting a link from related category .. page relivency will considered or site ?????

Thnks In advance

[thindenim]

Think there has just been a toolbar update.

[pchauhan]

Originally Posted by thindenim

Think there has just been a toolbar update.

Ya.... Back links And Pr update got a lot of back links this time

ans till there is no change in the PR